10mo ago

ARE TANKIES CONSPIRING TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BAD TIME ON LEMMY.ML?

!asklemmy@lemmy.ml - ARE YOU A TANKIE? - informal poll results ~

Image description: A5 page, with various pie charts and text, indicating the results of an informal poll from lemmy.ml, full image text in spoiler

this was fun, thanks for the polling idea, Kristina (I spent too long on these charts because yours looked so spiffy, I hope you specifically are impressed lol), solidarity cleaning that data up, and general reminder people only half read anything before launching into a diatribe

tl:dr yes, tankies are totally conspiring to make sure you have a bad time on lemmy.ml

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Tankies broke into my house and moved all my furniture half an inch to the left
- okay Ivan; go back to the gulag before putin puts you there. lol

People who are downvoting this dont like to have fun
- I downvoted because after staring at it for 15 seconds I still had no idea what data it tried to transmit or what the message was. It's just a bad infographic.
  
  you must be one of them tankies /s
  
  Sir, madam, or enby, this is a c/memes.
  
  https://www.atlassian.com/data/charts/pie-chart-complete-guide
  Imagine being mad you can't understand a pie chart divided into two colours, imagine being mad at a joke. Have we all forgotten this is !memes@lemmy.ml ??
  I literally made charts detailing that the majority of responses said they were tankies, and then I provided you the details.
  Downvotes are for rule breaking content, not for covering your big feelings.
- Some of these graphs are just very hard to read even with the explanation another user gave

All in all, "Tankie" is just the modern version of "Pinko!" I've seen Anarchists called Tankies, every manner of Marxists, non-Marxist Socialists, and more. It truly lost all of its meaning and is just Lemmy's Red Scare.
A huge portion of that comes from Lemmy.world, which is the largest instance to defederate intentionally from Hexbear and Grad, which has the presumably unintended effect of making Zionists and other far-right wingers feel comfortable in an Anticommunist instance.
- Yep, it's disgusting to see.
  
  I'm starting to realize one of the biggest issues with the fediverse is how much tribalism is going to play a part in interactions between instances. It seems like every instance is going to have some absurd stereotypes that get repeated as fact.
  Some people in .ml and hexbear were labeled tankies, accurately or not, and now you're all tankies. And this post seems to be in response to that, saying the word tankie isn't even a real thing. And now we have comments suggesting lemmy.world is also a unified group promoting certain ideologies. It's the largest instance, we're gonna have one-off crazies saying stupid stuff.
  I know it does makes a small difference being on .world vs .ml/hexbear. But most people in both are leftists if what I've seen is accurate. We're just being stereotypical leftist splintering ourselves into separate groups over the smallest differences.
- Unintended may be somewhat true, in that nobody explicitly had that as a conscious reason, but it was an obvious result that they could've known beforehand. So I don't think it's useful at all to call it unintended. Just an easily understood and expected side effect
  
  That's a fair enough critique. They definitely should have known what would happen, but this is more for the new users who came after defederation.
- And apparently discuss.tchncs.de
  
  What's their history?

The fact that Hexbear polled more no than yes is so fuckin funny to me.
- hexbear is officially anti tankie, I don't make the rules. RIP
  
  Fuck tankies, Khrushchev should have nuked Hungary
  
  lemmy.dbzer0.com:
  This instance currently allows new community creation, however the following subjects are explicitly not allowed as communities.
  No Tankie shit.
- They asked 5 people and they were smart enough to say no
- Why does that instance still exist? Wow.
  
  Why would it not?

The "everyone's a tankie who disagrees with me" I'm convinced is a new meme.
- That's what happens when you defederate from pro-Marxist instances. Zionists and anti-Communists start joining this anti-Marxist space and you have a whole new Red Scare on your hands.
  
  Shitlibs gonna shitlib
  Tankies gonna tank

I'm doing my part

Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: Spam or Abuse
Reporter is having a bad time on lemmyml, what more evidence do you need?
- That's just sad, haha.

What is the top graph? It seems to be some combined thing, but I can't figure out what.
- Oh, that makes more sense! Thanks
- Sorry its a bit confusing, its not serious though so its not worth stressing over

I've never seen a set of graphs with so few labels for everything it was showing

I've only ever seen people complain about them tangentially. Guess I'm not following the communities they usually pop up in
- Lemmy is going through an Anticommunist Red Scare right now, particularly on Lemmy.world.

More pixels plz

Hexbear is how all communities should be in Lemmy .

Are tankies conspiring to repeat the "tankie is a meaningless term" mantra till someone believes them?
- I've seen Anarchists called "tankie" so at this point it either needs to be entirely redefined or done away with. Even suggesting people to read Marx can get you called a tankie these days.
  
  So if I call a car a giraffe the word giraffe looses its meaning and becomes invalid?
  Misusage of terms doesn't cancel out the concept these words refer to lul
  If it would in would just call my bake rolls fascists, so the fascists go away
- u can no more define tankie than you can define woke.
  
  Woke: from civil right movement, someone who is weary of loyalty to the state and instead examines society/policy/politics himself. - in modern times used as slur against progressive and ecological conscious people by right wing people.
  Tankie: Someone who is authoritarian to a degree he sees using the army (tanks) against the own civilian population as a valid and legitimate action. Sometimes used as slur by people against those measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory) or as (positive) self reference by people in favor of such measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory)
  Don't know what your problem is defining both.
  EDIT: Not to be confused with "I know exactly who a tankie is and who isn't - my definition is 100% correct" or even "there are exact boundaries and conditions to what a tankie is"
  Its like "peace", " progressive", "right-wing", different people will give you different definitions, my point is, that there is a concept to which the word refers and different interpretations/ambiguities don't render the term useless simply by existing.
- What is your definition of a tankie
  
  Tankie: Someone who is authoritarian to a degree he sees using the army (tanks) against the own civilian population as a valid and legitimate action. Sometimes used as slur by people against those measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory) or as (positive) self reference by people in favor of such measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory)
- I'm pretty damn left leaning and I've never been called a tankie. I rarely even see anyone being called a tankie, except people who are defending authoritarians. The scope of the word "tankie" seemed generally pretty clear to me.
  
  Same, never experinced problems with misusage of the term (in real life). When i mentioned this in another thread, someone chimed in and stayed they were experiencing it constantly for no reason and also leftist around him would be called that. Later that discussion it was revealed that he thinks everyone who doesn't agree with Stalins policy is not (true) left....
  I hear waaaaayyy more complaining about the term tankie from actual tankies than I hear people using it as a general slur against left people.
  
  I've been called a Tankie for suggesting people read Marx, and I have seen Anarchists called Tankie before.
  It seems that it's just a way to left-punch from liberals.

Actually can't tell if this was made by a tankie or a sane person and I love it
- They answered on the original post.

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