[meme] How would you rather see this land developed?

You can still have trees and plant life in low density housing. You don’t need green deserts everywhere.

Yeah fuck lawns too, they aren’t meant to exist
- We can thank England for those damn things.
The one on the left has no communal space. The one on the right does.
- I don't really care. As a lifelong apartment dweller; I hate people and want nothing to do with them. Get me a house far away from civilisation and I'll be happy. Communal space, my arsehole.
But you still need way more infrastructure for the Houses.
- Yup, tons more parking and tons more road space per capita as well. Low-density sprawl just needs a lot more stuff per capita.

The issue is that all of those apartments are owned by one person getting filthy fucking rich from rent.

Then organise the renters, let them buy the house to transform it into syndicate or cooperative housing. Social apartment construction isn't impossible.
- What a fuckin great idea. Immediate downside is who's in charge of the bills?

Why not prefer apartments in your own town?

Noise. Neighbours being closer.

This isn't a particularly convincing analogy. Islands have limited space. The suburbs where I live border tons of open space and parks. Meanwhile, our school district is already overwhelmed with children, so converting commercial spaces into apartments will merely add to congestion and sprawl. NIMBY's make a convincing argument against denser residential construction.

A better focus would be the ability to simplify public transit and walkability. Town centers and public spaces could be more accessible with denser residential construction, and the additional green space can be closer to where you live without everyone needing their own half-acre yard to mow and water.
Uh yes, the suburban tranquility of non-stop leaf blowing, lawn mowing, and pickup humming.

Musics to my ears.
- It'd take it over the sound of the upstairs neighbor fucking his microwave while bowling at the same time
- I live in an apartment with actual good sound-proofing. It's almost dead silent inside except for the quiet hum of my AC. It's legitimately so much quieter than my gf's family's house, where you constantly hear the rush of cars driving by on the street. Not to mention leafblowers and lawnmowers.
Ownership. You will not own your apartment, it will be owned by your landlord and you will pay him whatever he demands. You will not own the forest, either. The state will, or some private entity will. No trespassing.
- what no right to roam does to a mfer
- You can still own and buy appartements in most places in the world. Then there are many forms of social housing.
  
  Rent to own is also a possibility but not seen in most countries.
  
  Seems your problem is not ownership but landlords.
  
  Some countries in Europe have the right to roam on any land. State owned and private owned. (Maybe more countries somewhere else have it to but I don't know)
  
  It does not need to be so terrible. In some places it just is because of profits

I spent seven years living in an apartment. I so enjoyed hearing the neighbors having sex, the thumping music they played, the smell of their cigarette smoke inside my apartment with all my windows closed, the random intrusions by management to repair something unrelated to my apartment, the random rent increases. Add this to the fact that I had no space for a work shop to make anything, and paying the equivalent of a mortgage with no equivalent home equity. Some people love apartment life, but it definitely was not for me.

the problem seems to be when people take "apartment life isn't for me" and then go to the conclusion of "they shouldn't build apartments for anybody"

you don't have to live in one. just let people build them. only allowing single family homes doesn't make single family homes more accessible for anybody, it just makes land more scarce and housing less affordable all around.
- This meme is advocating it as the only option
- Of course. Everyone can live in an apartment if they wish. I will be the one with the house at a reasonable distance.
You hate shitty apartments, not apartments.

Do you dare come say this here in Scandinavia please? FYI, you will suffer the date of Vigo the Carpathian, but I promis to erect a nice slab of stone for you.

What is going on in this comments section? Building dense is massively better for the environment than SFH, both in the construction phase and for the life of the units as far more residents can be served with less infrastructure sprawl. It also doesn't mean that detached housing will suddenly stop existing if we let developers build densely packed housing. Doesn't even need to be high rises, it can be townhomes, duplexes, five-over-ones, etc. You'll still be able to get a white picket fence suburban home or a farmhouse on some acreage if you want. In fact, it will become cheaper because all the people who want to live in cities will actually be able to move there and not take up space in that low density area you want to live in.

People want to live in SFH’s. I just noticed this post from the all feed but it’s not that surprising that people who enjoy living in privacy with space would prefer the status quo and then say as much.

If I had the money to afford a downtown apartment that was large enough for my 5 member family, I would. I don’t want to live in an apartment complex with nothing to do in the suburbs.
- People want to live in SFHs because cities are currently full of overpriced shoebox apartments with almost no options between that and car dependent suburban sprawl. It's not for me personally, but townhomes and other mid density developments are perfect for most families and far easier to serve with public transport (see: streetcar suburbs). You can still mix in detached single family housing in urban areas where demand is low enough to make the financials work too.

Yaay, space for 24 more apartment buildings!

This is exactly what will happen. And a shopping mall and a shopping mall parking lot.

You know how computers were supposed to make life so easy we'd only have to work a few hours a week, and how that never happened.

This is the same thing.

The per capita GDP massively increased. Are you saying your wages did not keep pace??

Name one good reason the average apartment experience could ever be better than living in a house.

People live in apartments to afford shelter, you'd be hard-pressed to find one that actually likes it better.

Sure you can make arguments about the concept of centralized feeling being better for nature, but no one actually wants to do it.

As a student, I would rather rent in a modern apartment building than a house. No yard to take care of, closer to other stuff (grocery store is literally across the street), safer, no insects. I would 100% rather have a nice apartment over a meh house.
- I'd choose a nice apartment over a nice house too. My dream is a nice two story apartment with big windows for lots of light and an open plan living space.

This would just become a 100 apartment buildings.

Well if that much housing is needed then the idea of not providing it is kind of.. monstrous? evil?
- Nah mate, there should be laws to how much people can live in some area. It's inhumane to compress so many people in one place. I don't want every city to be Hong Kong.
Exactly. People who advocate for densification are basically advocating for everywhere to be Amsterdam or NYC with continuous human habitation and maybe small concessions in the form of city parks (a joke compared to real natural areas, IMO).

I'm not sure if they're aware that this will be the logical conclusion of those policies.
- I'd rather have a few cities and a lot of unspoilt nature than no cities and no nature, just suburban sprawl everywhere

Good luck to the apartment dwellers when the next wave of COVID hits.

A lot of people are pro-apartmemt before living in one, so here are some fun facts:

Apartments usually have a maintenance cost, that covers as little as possible while still costing a lot. You never really own the flat, the building company does.
You often have a communal garden; it's looked after by the lowest bidding contractor. Not all flats have balconies, so you are unlikely to have your own.
Fear of fire and flooding - if someone else messes up, your stuff is toast/soaked. Insurance companies love that extra risk, it gives them an excuse to charge more.
No flat has good sound proofing - the baby screaming downstairs at 5am and the thunder of the morbidly obese person upstairs going to the bathroom at 1am will denote your new sleep schedule (i.e. disturbed)
I hope you're in for deliveries - apartments have no safe spots to leave things.
You will not be able to afford a flat with the same floor space as a house. I'm sorry, welcome to your new coffin.
Good luck drying your laundry (spoiler, your living room is going to have a laundry rack).
Good luck owning a bike (it's either the bike or your laundry, take your pick).
Vocal intimacy becomes a community event.

Living in a flat is a pile of little miseries grouped together.