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CW: New York Times report finds israel systematically rapes Palestinians, sometimes to death.

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One of the darkest examples of "every accusation is a confession."
- That was my exact thought. I wonder how long they’d been doing this prior to October 7.
  
  And even further back, the systematic use of rape by Zionist militias throughout the course of the 1948 war as an instrument of ethnic cleansing and dispossession led to the displacement of around 750,000 indigenous Palestinians to make room for the nascent Jewish state. Palestinian women, who are entitled to “birth the nation,” to borrow from Rhoda Kanaaneh, have been particularly targeted by this eliminationist Zionist practice, as a way of disposing of an undesirable population.
  They have always been doing this, since the founding of their country.
  
  There were many many reports of rapes and sexual abuse of detainees going back before the second intifada but increased in number since then. The IDF always brushed off press questions saying they’re lying but they’ll “investigate.”

Fucking medieval torture mindset with permanent crusade base.
- Similar to the reports of Russian soldiers putting plastic pipes up people's butts to feed up razor wire to pull out slowly after the pipe is removed, or China putting electric shock sticks up people's butts among the Uyghur camps.
  Humans suck.
  
  Or Americans hooking Abu Gharib prisoners up to car batteries.
  Or Saudis dismembering Jamal Khashoggi with a bone saw while still alive.
  Or Italy's practice of deliberately sinking refugee floatillas in the Mediterranean so as to deny migrants asylum claims.
  Humans suck.
  #NotAllHumans
  We know and care about these atrocities because we don't all suck. But there is definitely an economic structure in place that rewards this behavior as well as a fascist media apparatus that both censors and celebrates it.
  
  Source for the razor wire claim? Seems like obvious war time propaganda to me and I can't find anything online.

Source (they put the actual torture and rape at paragraph 9999 after all the israeli propaganda)
The interrogators accused him of Hamas membership and showed him photographs of militants to see if he could identify them. They also asked him about the whereabouts of hostages, as well as a senior Hamas leader who lived near Mr. Bakr’s family home. When Mr. Bakr denied any connection to the group or knowledge of the pictured men, he was beaten repeatedly, he said.
Mr. al-Hamlawi, the senior nurse, said a female officer had ordered two soldiers to lift him up and press his rectum against a metal stick that was fixed to the ground. Mr. al-Hamlawi said the stick penetrated his rectum for roughly five seconds, causing it to bleed and leaving him with “unbearable pain.”
A leaked draft of the UNRWA report detailed an interview that gave a similar account. It cited a 41-year-old detainee who said that interrogators “made me sit on something like a hot metal stick and it felt like fire,” and also said that another detainee “died after they put the electric stick up” his anus.
Mr. al-Hamlawi recalled being forced to sit in a chair wired with electricity. He said he was shocked so often that, after initially urinating uncontrollably, he then stopped urinating for several days. Mr. al-Hamlawi said he, too, had been forced to wear nothing but a diaper, to stop him from soiling the floor.
- For some reason the fact that this was published on D-Day made it even more poignant.
  
  What is D-Day?
- Hey can you cw the pic and edit the title for sa content?
  I think I people should know about this story and I’m not asking so that people can avoid the shock of it, but so that people who have been assaulted can avoid being re-exposed to their experiences.
  Thanks for all your goodposts.
  
  I am not entirely sure how to put content warnings in the title, i added the words CW at the front is that how it is supposed to be done?
  It is difficult to post the reality for Palestinians without people experiencing shock or depression from it. However it needs to be posted to raise awareness to the issue.

CoMpLex sItUaTiOn
- ISrAeL hAs A rIgHt tO dEfEnD iTsElF
  
  mOsT MoRaL aRmY
- To be fair prisoners of war being raped to death to humiliate them is pretty complex mental issue. We know that psyhopathy can sometimes be acquired as a trait, and it seems Israel has ways of inducing it. Interestingly enough, Nazis invented similar stuff as well... Oh, no, no, I'm not comparing the two. Just an off hand comment. Move along.
  
  I mean, if the genocidal shoe fits...

israel is a terror organisation.
- Israilian goverment to be more specific
  
  that government is democratically elected. the people who elected it share the guilt.

But did they condemn Hamas?

Why does Biden support genocide?
- If Trump were in office, he'd be endorsing the rape torture and abuse explicitly. If we lived in an alternate universe and Hillary was on her second term, she'd do nothing to stop Isreal and keep weapons flowing, if Obama was on his fourth term, he'd do nothing, if W was on his 6th term? We would still be in a perpetual war with multiple countries in the middle east and Israel would be a key supporter. He would probably help with the genocide with boots on the ground.
  A large portion of the reason Isreal never reached a settlement with Palistine and kept up with their perpetual war and ethnic cleansing is due to the US preferring they do it this way. Obama's foreign policy was to do whatever the military suggested, as his administrative advisers said ''A Democrat can't say no to the military''. Bush's administration never even bothered to have internal justifications for any military endeavor. Trump is the most evangelical president we've ever had, he constantly did whatever evangelicals wanted, and war in Isreal, antagonism and aggression to Arab nations is one of their top priorities, as according to their beliefs Jesus will not come again until the Temple is rebuilt, sacrifices are made, and a world war or multinational middle eastern war against Isreal happens, once they have nearly been destroyed THEN Jesus comes again. Hillary likely would have the same policy Obama did, let the military do whatever it wants so you don't get called soft of foreign policy in the next election cycle.
  Biden likely has the exact same policy. Like so many issues in the US, even in our fantasies there's no alternative to what horrible shit were doing now.
  
  Biden is the president now.
  Regardless as to what happens in a few months, the current sitting US president through action and inaction is endorsing genocide. It doesn't matter who else exists, because the office isn't held by anyone else.
  We should be able to have a conversation about human rights abuses without invoking the name of someone worse.
  I don't imagine many people are on the fence about who they're going to vote for and constantly screaming about the Cheeto any time criticism of the president is brought up really only serves as admission that yeah, Biden is that bad.
  All I see is deflection, constantly. No one wants to talk about Biden, successes or failures. It's as if the only exists as a comparison to Trump. And if a candidate only looks good when compared to a pile of shit, then he isn't a good candidate.
  
  Sorry but Democrats have to do better than "or else Trump."
  I don't know how you people don't understand that yet. I also don't know how I'm supposed to believe your uncited claims when you spell Palestine incorrectly.
  But sure keep on doing your same old stick. I'm trying to get out by November and the Democrats can get purged by Trump for all I give a shit. My great-grandparents took their money and fled Nazi Germany for the United States and I will do the same for South America. If the left is too weak and cowardly to stop the fascism from progressing then it's going to come to the same conclusion regardless. And the left is embarrassingly weak and complicit with the right.
  I used to be an activist and I've been on the police s*** list for the better part of 10 years in my area so I am experiencing a lot of anxiety about what will happen if Trump gets reelected. At the same time I am experiencing a lot of despair that I was never able to motivate almost anyone to bother even voting.
  When you see both parties openly supporting a genocide, it's time to fucking run. If Democrats can sit here and make up justifications for why it's happening to the Palestinians they will do the same thing when the right comes for the actual left.
  Every time I see a list of atrocities that the Republicans are going to commit if they get elected as some kind of motivation to vote, it makes me sick to my stomach. If you want me to vote then give me a candidate I want to vote for who shares any kind of moral compass with me.
  
  Trump isn't in office. This is a question about Biden.
- Our whole system supports genocide. America supports genocide. We need to go deeper than biden to address this issue.e
- Christian nationalism.
- Oil
  
  More like arms sales.
  We have evolved past needing to plunder a resource, we just need someone to blow up so we can launder the public trust to Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman, which makes the stocks that all of the Federally elected individuals own in spades rise even further.
- I don't know. Probably because he's taken the most money from Israel of any US politician alive?
- Because Biden is a racist.

What the fuck is in some people's hearts? This is absolutely inhumane and disgraceful.
- Money.

Gonna suck when that imperial boomerang comes back

They blame this on Arab countries but this stuff happens in Israel

Isreals crimes against the palestinians needs to be stopped. No question. And yet 'from the river to the see' calls for the total destruction of isreal as a state, with all of its civillians, which isn't exactly better. Hamas commited similar atrocities against the israeli on oct 7. But an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
- Sure rape is bad or whatever I guess, but both sides.
  
  It is a two sides issue though. Both sides are doing this.
- Destruction of the state does not equal destruction of humans. The entire statement is, "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free." You have to seriously work on that to turn it into a genocidal intent. And then it begs the question, why would their freedom require such a drastic act? Which is why Israel doesn't like to talk about the second part.
- And yet ‘from the river to the see’ calls for the total destruction of isreal
  If that's true, why are Israeli soldiers chanting it?
  
  Because when they say it, the mean Isreal from the river to the sea. It's the reverse (and not any better).
- Israel is an invader and occupier of Palestinian land. Israel's existence is a crime against humanity.
- calls for the total destruction of isreal as a state
  And? Where's the problem, exactly?
  
  Another reasonable, non-genocidal and well adjusted individual! Great!

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