7mo ago

Breaking: Trump Verdict Livethread

Jury HAS reached a verdict. 11 hours, 43 minutes.

Developing.

Analysis is saying the jury using the word "verdict" indicates this is not a hung jury.

Jury has asked for more time to fill out paperwork, which makes sense, 34 counts x 12 jurors, 408 line items?

Judge has now called for the jury.

Detail on each count here, 3 basic categories:

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts

Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.

Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges

Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges

Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges

No bail, sentencing on July 11th, 4 days before the Republican convention.

Defense has until 6/13 to file motions, prosecution has until 6/27 to respond.

Trump is responding predictably. Attacking the judge and the whole process.

Jury HAS reached a verdict. 11 hours, 43 minutes.

Developing.

Analysis is saying the jury using the word "verdict" indicates this is not a hung jury.

Jury has asked for more time to fill out paperwork, which makes sense, 34 counts x 12 jurors, 408 line items?

Judge has now called for the jury.

Detail on each count here, 3 basic categories:

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts

Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.

Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges

Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges

Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges

No bail, sentencing on July 11th, 4 days before the Republican convention.

Defense has until 6/13 to file motions, prosecution has until 6/27 to respond.

Trump is responding predictably. Attacking the judge and the whole process.

If you're trying to keep track of where we're at in the Trump prosecutions:

Updated 05/30/2024

New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest
Trial
Conviction <- You Are Here Guilty, all 34 counts.
Sentencing - July 11, 2024

Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest  <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial, originally scheduled for March 4th, has been placed on hold pending the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential Immunity. They are due to hear those arguments on April 25th.
Conviction
Sentencing

Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - Postponed Indefinitely
Conviction
Sentencing

Georgia
10 state felonies
Election Interference
As of 3/13/24 - Judge McAfee cleared 6 charges, 3 against Trump, saying they were too generic to be enforced.
As of 3/15/24 - The case may proceed, but either Fulton County DA, Fani Willis and her office or Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade must remove themselves due to the appearance of impropriety.
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered. Trial - A trial date of Aug. 5, 2024 has been requested, not approved yet.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
Conviction
Sentencing

Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. He was found liable in that case for $83.3 million.

There had been multiple cases in multiple states to remove Trump from the ballot, citing ineligibility under the 14th amendment.

The Supreme Court ruled on March 4th that states do not have the ability to determine eligibility in Federal elections.

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/video/united-states-supreme-court-overturns-colorado-supreme-court-donald-trump-ballot-ruling/

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Damn, I don't think I felt like this since election night, 2020.
- Where are all the people who insisted that this would be a hung jury / acquittal? This was an easy and quick decision. I told you NYC would do this before the weekend.
  
  Well hopefully, they're celebrating having been wrong.
  
  I was very worried that some magabrain slipped their way in there and would spike this. I'm glad I was wrong.
  
  To be fair, it would only have taken one jury to hang it and worrying about that makes sense. Happily thus has worked out in favour of justice, but it was not a given and people were right to fear that outcome. Hopefully we will see the predicted change in likely voting outcomes from unaffiliated voters and thus can be the end of MAGA over the next couple of election cycles.
  
  Now they've moved the goalposts to say that the judge who Trump steadily antagonized throughout the trial will be leniant on sentencing.
  
  Hey, I was one of those, I'm happy to be wrong. The other person is right, I am now changing it up to say he won't see any actual punishment.
  This guy has been violating court orders over and over. Any of the rest of us would be in prison by now. I'll believe in jail time or a fine that actually hurts him when I see it.
  
  Hello, I was one of those.
  A lifetime of disappointment has taught me to keep low expectations. But when things do actually turn out well, it can be a happy surprise.
  Hope for the best and expect the worst and all.
- 💯
  Same vibe.
  
  Yeah feels like breathing the same sigh of relief. Just hoping now another January 6th situation doesn't happen as a follow up.

Man... As the verdicts rolled in, I could genuinely feel my stress fading. This fucker has finally, finally been forced to experience a negative repercussion for his actions, and I can't wait to see him experience more.
- No he hasn’t.
  He wasn’t even remanded to custody.
  He hasn’t been sentenced.
  If the sentences are punitive monetary fines, then his “consequences” are nothing more than he’s ever had to deal with. He’ll just keep doing what he’s always been doing and raid the Republican money chest to pay his expenses.
  
  I know somebody has to come out to play devil's advocate at every turn. Yes the sentence could be a nothingburger. Yes he will appeal no matter what.
  At the very least, I can now call him convicted felon Trump. Justice has prevailed at least in this part.
  
  He will never see a real punishment so let's hope for practical benefits like losing votes from low-information idiots and draining Repub coffers.

So... Anyone else "working" right now?
- It's 5P on the east coast, I haven't been working for the past few hours, lol (though unrelated to this).
  
  I'm a west-coaster. But I have completely stopped working.
- Just clocked out. What did I miss?
  
  Guilty.
- Hey, I have Slack open on my work phone, that counts, right?
  
  Totally counts. Tell me about your business. There, now you are working.
- I found out the verdict came out because our management team shouted in celebration during their meeting. Fair to say nothing else is getting done today.
- Me.
- Is that a euphemism for vigorously masturbating? Because I am.
  
  Thanks for sharing

Ladies and gentlemen, former reality TV star and convicted felon Donald Trump
- Disgraced, twice impeached, adjuducated rapist, convicted felon, former President Donald J. Trump.
  
  You forget to add "puss ball"
- Ooooohhhhh that's got a nice ring to it
- Also convicted rapist, according to the judge in the E Jean Carroll case. https://archive.li/pz5aA
  
  So, already a felon.

Verdict: Trump is guilty on all 34 counts
Timeline/updates: Judge Merchan announced that he received a note saying the jury has a verdict (4:20 PM EDT)
Merchan asked for 30 minutes for jury to complete paperwork (4:30 PM)
edt: Merchan announced that the jury asked for 30 minutes. Unclear if that was from 4:20 or when he announced it closer 4:30/4:40ish
Manhattan DA Bragg and the judge's clerk have entered the courtroom. Bragg, appropriately, sits behind the attorneys from his office who tried the case (4:55 PM)
Merchan has returned to the courtroom (5:00 PM) NYT clarified that the jury requested 30 minutes at 4:20. They are about to enter the courtroom. Merchan asked if both sides are ready; both sides responded affirmatively.
Jury is returning (5:05 PM)
Verdict: GUILTY on all counts
They initially read the counts 1 by 1 and then were asked if all counts were guilty counts and they replied "Yes". Trump was slack and motionless the whole time (5:10 PM)
The officer has asked if either party wants a jury poll. The defense has said they do. (5:14 PM)
Todd Blanche, defense attorney, makes a motion for the verdict to be tossed because of Cohen's testimony. Motion denied. the lawyers approached the bench. (5:16 PM)
Blanche asks for a mid-July sentencing hearing (5:17 PM)
Sentencing set for July 11th, 10am, four days before the RNC where Trump will be nominated as his party's candidate (5:18 PM)
The judge dismissed the parties after asking about Trump's bail. He announced that he will be released on his own recognizance. Trump leaves, described as red in the face, after shaking Eric's hand.
Outside the courtroom" “This was a disgrace,” Trump says. “This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt.” (5:21 PM)
Other comments from NYT: Trump is significantly less animated than he has been as he rattles off the familiar lines that have characterized his remarks in the hallway for much of the trial. He seems more sober.
Trump spoke for less than three minutes in total. He did not answer a shouted question by a reporter who asked why Americans should vote for a convicted felon.
Other notes:
Eric appears to be the only other Trump present.
Trump was calm, descibred as "slack" during the reading of the verdicts. During jury polling, he looked at the jurors, then looked back in front of him, towards the judge.
Sources: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/30/nyregion/trump-trial-verdict and https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-hush-money-trial-05-30-24/index.html
- Thank you
  
  You're welcome! It was a huge adrenaline rush bouncing between the sources and sharing updates haha

“This was a disgrace. This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. It's a rigged trial, a disgrace. They wouldn't give us a venue change. We were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area. This was a rigged, disgraceful trial.”
I hope the judge takes his complete lack of contrition into account when sentencing. If Cohen did time, Trump should do time.
- Plus the contempt.
  
  The contempt x10, the fact Cohen did time in prison for the other side of this thing, the attacks on the judge's daughter and family, staff, intimidation of jurors and witnesses...
  
  I'll allow it.
  / Judgey speak.
  
  And the slander.
- We were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area.
  You mean the same district that elected Rudy Ghouliani for mayor?
  This was a rigged, disgraceful trial.
  Rigged how? Is Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump alleging that the 12 random jurers were secretly preselected even though his own lawyer helped select the jury? How come he is giving zero details? Because there are no details to give. Literally every court case and election that Loser Trump loses is "rigged" because his one and only strategy on everything is "Lie, Lie, Lie".

COUNT #1: GUILTY!
COUNT #2: GUILTY!
COUNT #3: GUILTY!
COUNT #4: GUILTY!
COUNT #5: GUILTY!
COUNT #6: GUILTY!
COUNT #7: GUILTY!
COUNT #8: GUILTY!
COUNT #9: GUILTY!
COUNT #10: GUILTY!
COUNT #11: GUILTY!
COUNT #12: GUILTY!
... COUNT #34: GUILTY!
GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS
- Combo guilty!
  Guilty-Overkill!
  Guiltrosicty
  Guilt-a-mangaro
  Penta-guilty!
  
  Justice WINS. Guiltality.
- Too bad trump can't count that high. laugh track
  
  Pretty sure that's why he's a felon
- HOW ARE YOU SEEING THIS???
  
  Watching live on MSNBC.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkRFl-zQbK4

GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS!
ABSOLUTE CONSENSUS FROM JURY!!!

Guilty on all 34 counts. Get fuuuuuuuuuuucccked
- Wanna learn more about the rulings surrounding Trumps 34 charges?
  Search for: "Donald Trump Rule 34"

It has now been brought to my attention that you can take the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles song and instead sing:
Trump is a convicted felon
Trump is a convicted felon
Trump is a convicted felon
- Because he paid a pornstar, Tobequiet.
  Edit: Just finishing the TMNT song to appease my compulsions y'all. I understand the the legal case is more complicated.
  
  Is prostitution illegal in NY? Why did he not just say "I wanted to fuck a pornstar so I did"?
  
  This isn't the reason. He committed fraud while paying a porn star to be quit. He did not commit a crime with the payment itself necessarily, rather in how he did it (and with the side effect of defrauding the public during an election).
- Trump is a convicted felon
  Trump is a convicted felon
  Trump is a convicted felon
  Put him in a jail cell
  Justice Power!

New York does not fuck around.
E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump - GUILTY
The People of the State of New York and Attorney General Letitia James v. Donald J. Trump - GUILTY
The People of the State of New York and District Attorney Alvin Bragg v. Donald J. Trump - GUILTY
Three up, three down.
Now get the fuck outta here.

Well shit that was fast.
- Less than 12 hours, but I bet it felt longer in the room.
  
  So fast it makes the head spin.

Might be wishful thinking or stale in 15-30 minutes but I think they at least get him on the checks. I imagine we'll all be very disappointed if/when sentencing occurs though.
Edit: Welp, call me pleasantly surprised. Get fucked!
- My prediction on sentencing is that he gets x number of 4 year terms to be served concurrently, then spends 10 years fighting it in court.
  
  My secret wish is to see him get a form of community service that is supremely humiliating to someone like him. Show his distaste for actual work, undercut the persecution narrative by going "soft", and kill his campaign. Honestly though, this one is going to need a good judge. It's hard to be dispassionate when sentencing, especially in this context. Merchan seems alright, I think he'll be fair, even if I hate it because the bastard doesn't deserve anything but what he's given out.
  
  spends 10 years fighting it
  How do I say I hope he doesn't have that long left without getting myself banned?
  
  I'm hoping the judge puts him in jail for a month on all those contempt citations.
  Wishful thinking I know
  
  No way his sentence is that high. He is a first time offender, and people caught on these types of charges typically get probation.
  I think a few years' probation is appropriate, then he will have to campaign (and maybe even be President) while having to report to some probation officer in NYC the whole time. He might force the issue by deliberately skipping out on his meetings and double dare the judge to throw him in jail.
- I happened to go to my local paper's website and saw that the jury was coming in.
  Didn't want to watch all the talking head BS, but texted a freind to let her know.
  I think there was 15 minutes of suspense between hearing they were in and getting the news.
  Glad it wasn't longer, I'd have plotzed.
  
  Definitely got that election night feeling in my gut. Hate this, I'm not ready for November.

All 34 counts. Guilty.

Thats a lot of crime
- Unpresidented
  
  Until now
  
  Bravo!!
- The best crime. The most crime!

I'm currently watching the Trump presser the day after, and he's straight up violating his gag order, spending awhile talking about Cohen, basically saying "I can't talk about him, but his name rhymes with Mohen, they call him a fixer, and ..." The whole thing is nuts but just thought that was a bit special.
- I think once the trial is completed, the gag order isn't in play.
  The whole point of the gag order was to keep him from intimidating witnesses and jurors, well all that is done now.
  I'm sure the judge will take it into consideration for sentencing though!
  
  The trial isn’t over though; He still needs to be sentenced. He has been found guilty, yes. But the courts haven’t actually decided on an acceptable punishment. That’s what will happen on the 11th.
  
  A trial is incomplete until sentencing I thought? I've seen no paperwork dismissing the gag. But idk.

So, it's Biden's fault, it's the DA's fault, it's the corrupt judge's fault. Everyone but you Donny.
- Classic malignant narcissist.

To be clear: "no bail" means "Donald Trump is allowed to remain at liberty without bail" and not "He must stay in jail until sentencing"
- Yep. But eh, he's not a flight risk, and he's not accused of a violent crime.
  ...That said, he could be remanded to jail instantly if anything changes.
  
  I'd generally say that somebody who has a private jet, overseas bank accounts, and who pals around with foreign dictators is a flight risk, but that's me.

This is a psychic blumpkin. I am metaphysically shitting and orgasming at the same time. I feel so cleansed.

Ahhh my popcorn isn't ready!
- Wasn't expecting the verdict today. Last I saw they were getting ready to dismiss the jury.
- You have 15 min...get poppin!
  
  https://giphy.com/gifs/michael-jackson-6pJNYBYSMFod2

DONALD TRUMP - CONVICTED FELON
- "Twice impeached convicted felon and known sexual abuser Donald Trump"
  
  Republicans: "That's our guy!"

I know a lot of us are cynical and don't have high expectations for sentencing, but...
Right now, Trump's feeling pretty shitty. He has no idea how the sentencing will go. No guarantees he won't be forced to suffer. This is consume him for weeks at the least.
When he goes to sleep tonight, all he'll be thinking about is 'I could go to prison'.
- You see, I don't think people like him ever feel shitty. He feels as a victim, a martyr of sorts, people like this can and will twist anything in their heads so that it proves their grandeur, their importance.
  This guy goes to sleep every night thinking how great he is, and how the world is just jealous and that's why some stupid judge was out to get him.
  My dad is a pathological narcissist and behaves exactly like that.
- ... good?

GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!!!!
GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS!!! FUCK YOU DJT!!!

I've got popcorn and booze at the ready.
- Fresh chlorine in the hot tub!

What’s the over-under on him fleeing to Russia or Saudi Arabia and living out his days in exile?

Come on "federal 'pound me in the ass' prison!"
Let justice be served!
- State charges.

The Republicans lining up to cry false tears and lick convicted felon Trump's felonious taint are even more disgusting than usual.

Now will CNN introduce him as 45th president of the United States and convicted felon Donald j trump? Can we get a GoFundMe to make it happen?
- Pardon my ignorance, but I've seen that "title" all over -is it common to call convicted felons as such, as a title of sorts, before their name ?
  
  It is when they are an individual of notoriety of any kind being discussed in the media... it is just another adjective to add to their list of accolades.
  
  Just saying i hope they grant him he same level of class and decorum he's afforded others before him.
- Donald J Trump, 45th President of the United States, convicted felon, khaleesi of the great grass sea, first of his name.

Meidas touch live stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkRFl-zQbK4
Meidas touch is a YT channel composed mostly of lawyers who take a particularly 'legal' take on the news and days events. They have MIchael Cohen as a contributor. They have former prosecutors from the NY Attorney Generals office as contributers.
These are the guys to be watching for this.

Trumps poll numbers after this:
- You underestimate the faith of his fanatics.
  
  I mean his die hards aren't going any where.
  How I think this impacts things is the 'perceived' electability. Trump as a 'convicted' felon is far less electable than not-a-convicted-felon Trump.
  There is a self-selection bias in poles based on if people think someone "can" win. Trump easily loses 5-10% in the polls because of this, which puts him back to nose-to-nose with Biden.
  I think we see Romney maybe throw his hat in the ring. This is a referendum of the entire MAGA approach to politics which is basically utter disregard for the law. All of a sudden the door is WIDE open for challengers from within the Republican party.
- I would not bet on that.
  Evidence does not convince true believers, it makes them double down.
  https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/darwins-subterranean-world/202401/why-do-people-double-down
  
  You can bet on whatever you want. I think you should.
  I'm betting a 5-10% drop in his poll numbers by July.
- Honestly surprised you didn't use the one gif from some random early episode, 10+ years before 2016, where the simpsons were predicting that trump would ruin the country as president, and Lisa had to fix things now.
  
  Well I have been considering a FOSS/ fediverse app for better organizing my memes. I just have a big folder with key tags that I can search within right now.

I would bet $1000 that nothing meaningful happens to that slick old bastard.
There are two justice systems in this country, and Trump is in the one that's so rich that he doesn't face the same kind of meaningful consequences that we do.
- I wouldn't take that bet but we have to acknowledge that this is progress. If you'd told me a year ago trump would be convicted on 34 felonies before June I'd have laughed at you.
  The arc of history is long but it does bend towards justice. We are witnessing that bend now after decades of frustration. Enjoy this win at least a little bit.
- So was Martha Stewart. 5 months in prison, 2 years probation.
- It was very frustrating that just like what happened with "fake news" which was originally used to describe false news articles generated usually to help Trump, the same thing happened with the concept of a two-tier justice system. Originally describing how wealthy people like Trump don't get the same justice that poor people do, now Republicans are trying to use it to describe Republicans getting charged for things Democrats wouldn't be.

Appeal ad infinitum incoming. This stain wouldn't see any repercussions until after the election, and only if he loses. I hope I'm proven wrong. Still waiting on the 400+80m to hit his pocket.

How funny would it be if Trump can't attend the first presidential debate in Georgia because he can't leave the state.
- So THAT'S how he weasels out of the debate. Oh, I tip my hat to his long-game.
  
  Biden should offer to go to Rikers for the debate.

Guilty!
- https://youtu.be/moM5sdbPM54#t=2m25s

Anyone else a little bit surprised that justice just happened, even if on a relatively minor scale compared to all the things he has done?
- yea totally. It's a good feeling

Commenting for posterity. I hate you chump. I hope you're humiliated, you cowardly moron.

Trump is now an official member of FAFO.

Would be a glorious day to see this bastard behind bars

Aw this is great. I hope his burger grease laden heart explodes in his chest from the stress.

i just came. sorry.

Ah this feels cathartic

GUILTY
- LETS FUCKING GO!

/r/conservative must be having a collective meltdown.
- I'm almost tempted to go back to Reddit to check.
  -EDIT-
  This is the current top thread there.
  
  I'm afraid to. Under normal circumstances, prolonged exposure to that sub may make you legally stupid. Today? You'd probably physically feel your brain turning to mush in real time.
  
  Did Merchan really say he has no intention of jail time?

Sentencing on July 11
LOCK HIM UP

Reading the live updates warmed the cockles of my heart! The fact this jury did its job based on all the evidence is great. That orange troll deserved this, I hope the sentencing is something that will humiliate Trump to the max; I feel so happy that this shit burglar is getting this verdict.

FAILED FORMER FELONIOUS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP

Y'know, honestly? Trump? This IS rather impressive. Good job. Collecting those titles like some of us collected rocks.

Free coverage:
New York Times
Washington Post
Talking Points Memo

Where's my party hat?!
- here's a tune for you
  https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=Rn9DkgvRJc

Jurors are in the room. AaaAAAAAaaaaAAAAaaagh!

If he gets probation, how would that work? Normally you have to notify someone when you leave the state. That would be a full-time job for someone campaigning.

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