It's so over

I'm curious if it could solve the traffic light and crosswalk ones, I would try but I'm out of free image uploads from asking it to explain memes to test its cultural knowledge.
- Wow, that's actually quite impressive.
  
  I'm sure eventually someone will make a bot called something like ai-explains-the-joke that does this automatically.
  
  I wonder how much was scraped from knowyourmeme.com
  
  The majority of people right now are fairly out of touch with the actual capabilities of modern models.
  There's a combination of the tech learning curve on the human side as well as an amplification of stories about the 0.5% most extreme failure conditions by a press core desperate to feature how shitty the technology they are terrified of taking their jobs is.
  There's some wild stuff most people just haven't seen.
- Yes it probably can... CAPTCHAs don't work based on your answers (many types you can answer wrong and still sometimes pass) - they work by tracking your mouses movements and timing and deciding whether they human-like.
  
  Why do i fail the "choose all images with motorcycles" challenges all the time then :c
  
  I figured it's due to using a vpn or ad blocker or something
- a fellow SolidWorks victim
- Wow, it did a great job at it !
- Did you find that meme online, or did you create it yourself?
  
  I don't remember actually but I checked the file metadata and I have the template in my downloads folder next to this which has an exif tag of 2 minutes later with gimp metadata so I'm pretty sure I must have made it, which makes it a bit more impressive since I probably just sent it to friends privately and didn't post it anywhere it could have been scraped for training.

Captchas te not meant to deter all bots. It's meant to make it ever so slightly expensive that a mass DDOS attack would be extremely expensive to perform. Think like thousand sof requests per second, all being Captcha'd and how much it costs to run AI. It's current not a feasible solution.
There is cheaper AI that can solve Captchas though, and it's only gonna get cheaper.
- It's long been cheap enough that you can pay a call center full of people in a developing country to solve them for you. Going to be a while before AI is cheaper than that.
  Having used them to protect a few web sites from spammers filling up forms, they do cut down on the bullshit. This makes things more convenient for the people reading the information coming in from those forms, but I sometimes wonder if it's worth the cost of everyone else having to pick out the bicycles in the picture.
  
  They can't solve them a million times per minute though.
- Also, captchas are meant to gather data to train on. That's why we used to have pictures of writing, but that's basically solved now. It's why we now have a lot of self driving vehicle focused ones now, like identifying busses, bikes, traffic lights/signs, and that sort of thing.
  Captchas get humans to label data so the ML algorithms can train on it, eventually being able to identify the tests themselves.
  
  Now it's making me identify developed pictures from a photo negative. I'm not quite sure what they're going to do with that training since computers can already perform that task.
- I believe this is why Google, and a few other companies, have started using behavioral analysis to figure out if you are human. Did your mouse wonder around the page before clicking to verify? Did you come from another website as if browsing the web? What device are you using and have you used it on this site before? Are you logged into an account? I’m sure they use many more factors, but it’s something that would be hard to replicate with bot behavior on a consistent basis (for now).
  
  Apple and Cloudflare are using “Private Access Tokens”
  Some negative implications for the open web I believe
  
  Basically yeah, but that has been the case since almost the start of recaptcha. Fingerprinting just got so good to the point that the visual test was not even needed anymore.

- Case doesn't matter
  
  You mean to tell me I've been painstakingly pressing the shift key during captcha tests for YEARS and it doesn't actually matter?
  
  Sometimes it does. It just depends on the programming.
- Unix gang

I have an extension which solves most Captchas for me It does it better than me which is why I use it
- You can't drop information like that without posting links.
  
  I use this one.
  
  My dog wants a link too.
- Well what is it man???
  
  Buster Captcha Solver for humans
- If we are at the point where consumer grade plug is are better at these than humans, is the only reason these are still being used to give some slice of the population a false sense of security? Is it actually the users that want these?
  
  It does still increase the cost of automating usage of those sites, which puts an upper limit to how they can be abused. We probably won't be able to go back to no Captcha without seeing a large increase of spam, spoofing, scalping, and scraping. They would have to give up offering most kinds of free trials and other consumer friendly practices if the bots can just make new accounts at 1000 per second.

pretty sure it's actually "p" not "P"
- most of those aren't case sensitive anyway
  
  They're not!?
- Based on the serif of the font I'd go with P as the ai says
  
  based off the font i'd say "p"; but also mainly because the tail goes below the bottom of the other letters even after accounting for the distortion

Computers have long since been able to defeat such captchas.
- it's the recaptchas that they should have trouble with. since it's not just about finding the right picture, it's also about the time between clicks, the way the mouse moves, etc.
  
  They probably have some kind of randomizer for that nowadays.
  
  reCaptcha never works for me. Probably something with thirdpartyisolation.enabled. Can't snoop all the history and stuff.
  
  Yeah, and a couple of people I know who were consistently reported to be robots because they've been shown captcha too much and as a result solved it too well. Which in turn led to more captcha and improved solving speed. Well, you see the problem, I guess

There's a program called Xevil that can solve even HCaptcha reliably, and it can solve these first gen captions by the thousands per second. It's been solving Google's v3 recaptchas for a long time already too.
People who write automation tools (unfortunately, usually seo spammers and web scrapers) have been using these apps for a long time.
Captchas haven't been effective at protecting important websites for years, they just keep the script kiddies away who can't afford the tools.
- Captchas haven't been effective at protecting important websites for years, they just keep the script kiddies away who can't afford the tools.
  To be fair, keeping the script kiddies away has some good value. Whether that value outweighs all the wasted time and impact to sight/hearing impaired people is another discussion.
- Decades not just years

Captchas are used by google as weapon now, if you dare to use a VPN and adblocker.
- ?
  Lots of websites force capchas when on a VPN they don't even have to be provided by Google. Rarbg for example forced a terrible captcha which I usually solved by using OCR with the OCR tool in powertoys. They letters were barely edited or fucked up at all.
  
  Google now keeps you often in endless loop until you disable your VPN. This was never this bad.

Yeah captchas are done. Soon they will be easier to figure out for AI than for humans.
This is why Sam Altman is doing his worldcoin thingy with the iris scanners. His idea: One iris (well, two...) is one real human. I'm sure this will be abused though and I absolutely vehemently don't trust him with my biometrics so no way I will join that.
I think what we should do is just get used to the fact that the internet now consists of humans and AIs. Learn to take things with a grain of salt.
- I certainly don't wanna get Demolition Man'd
- I'd honestly rather pay microtransactions for various websites than use biometrics ever.
- Techno core!

Some disabled people have trouble with captchas, so these days you can download an extension where a robot solves the captcha for you.
- I have trouble with the selecting the squares on the grid, for images that say select only crosswalks, bikes, etc. I hate that captcha. Is there a decent extension for firefox?

So close

This is why a lot of sites have moved to something more complex than text, like the weird “rotate this to match” stuff that LinkedIn uses.

- Obviously not. He won a legal case for emancipation.
  
  Good thing the Federation stuck to that!
- "Actually there is a distinct difference between an android and a robot."
  Yup, Data did an "um, ackshully..."

The "puzzle" isn't the test, the test uses your browser history, mouse activity, etc to identify you as human (or not). The puzzle is used to generate training data for ML models.
- Lol, well maybe not your browser history. That would be bad.
- Sure with a modern captcha framework that would be true. In this case, this looks like something that was custom rolled for their site so its pretty unlikely.
  
  Oh, true, I didn't look too close.

There's a lot of misunderstanding in this thread about how captchas work.
What modern captchas examine isn't actually your ability to solve the puzzle... It's how you solve it. Things like mouse movements and how you type are big factors. So a bot would process for a moment, and then basically copy and paste in the answer, whereas as a human is going to type at a normal pace, often with pauses as they double check the details. Same goes for the click the tiles challenges. A bot will work through systematically, a human will bounce around, and their timings will be very different.
- Captchas have largely been solvable by machines at a rate higher than humans for a long, long time.
  It is very easy to train a model to behave like humans do by simply having a sample of human inputs.
  Here is an article from august 2023 covering how much better machines are than humans at accomplishing captchas of many flavors. Sauce

I wonder how that works on a Japanese captcha. I know people have had issues shortly after moving but not knowing the language at all yet trying to set some things up.
- With my troubles even with English ones they'd better just give me a knife.
  
  We are happy to provide your knife, but first please prove that you are human by completing the incantation as written...

It got it wrong. That's a lowercase "p."

I seem to recall OpenAI saying they guarded against captcha solving...

Dead internet shall become undead.

I'm just saying, but captcha had a purpose. It still kind of does. Whether solved by a person or by an AI.
I'm pretty sure that for a good while there it was using captcha to help its text recognition more accurately determine what words were from scans of books that were imported en masse to Google books as images of pages. We're talking about books published before computers were used to write them. The text recognition algorithm had an idea of what the letters should be, but didn't have a high enough confidence in the result, so it was sent through captcha to get a consensus from humans.
The humans answering the captcha would just verify whether it was one of a small list of possible matches, and in doing so, train the machine vision algorithm to better detect the letter in the future.
That's what I heard at least. IDK. I just live here (on the internet).