Worst States To Live & Work In. All 10 Are Republican States

I personally agree with this list. But, we have to be pragmatic here. This is what CNBC says they did:

"The study measures quality of life issues including crime, health care, childcare and health care, as well as inclusive policies on discrimination and reproductive rights."

See, the last two skew this study. People in these shit hole states (not all, but at least enough of the voting public) don't want inclusive policies or reproductive rights. So, to them, this metric is backwards. They would argue that living in California or New York was way more terrible because of the brown people and gays.

This isn't exactly a scientific study. It's taking objective data to reach a subjective conclusion. Neat headline though.

Edit: many if them are arguing exactly that in this thread. With a nice dose of racism and misogyny thrown in. Nice. I love when shit comes full circle.

As someone born in Texas and now resides in Oklahoma I agree with this study.

As someone from West Virginia I'm stunned we didn't make the list. McDowell county is hell on earth. The northern part of the state really does hard carry the rest of it.

sweats in Georgia

!savedyouaclick@lemmy.nrd.li

If you want a good chuckle, here are the states that they say have the best economies. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/13/these-10-states-are-running-americas-best-economies-for-residents.html

Included in the top 10 are:

• Florida
• Texas
• Tennessee
• South Carolina
• Indiana

Here is yougov's list https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021/04/13/us-states-ranked-best-worst-according-americans

Moved from TX to DMV in Feb and it’s night and day here. Love the idea of Texas but the reality didn’t come close.

So basically this is just a “10 states where you can’t abort your unborn baby and men can’t compete against women in sports” list.

Usually higher mortality in those states

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2019-09-05/mortality-rates-highest-in-states-with-lower-income-education-levels#:~:text=In%202017%2C%20mortality%20rates%20were%20highest%20in%20Alabama%2C,from%20the%20Centers%20for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention.

Except none of this is swaying any republican. Some of these states are on the list because they pass exclusive legislation, seemingly overlooking any benefits otherwise.

Live in mississippi, it should be #1, like it always is for shitty metrics.

Fun mississippi fact for today, if you own an electric or hybrid car you have to pay extra taxes.

Because it's #11

Edit: Apparently it is #0

I also thought Florida would be much higher.

It is weird, because the entire point of racist ideology in America has historically been for personal gain by slaveowners, but now it's just objectively hurting their states' economies. Are they really getting that much benefit from exploitation like prison labor and such, or are they just so stuck in their ways that they'd rather feel powerful over others at their own expense?

Lost the Civil War and still losing today. "Loser" has become such a generic insult that it obscures the literally losing nature of so many people that live in this area.

Stuck in Missouri taking care of my grandparents and my wife's parents. I've been wanting to move out of this shithole since I was 13. Now, I have to worry about reproductive issues with my high risk wife as it seems like we are hunkering down here entering our 30s.

Texans are some of the most delusional people on the planet.

The fact they think their state even holds a candle to Florida is laughable.

People live in Texas for one reason: tax breaks.

The only other state worse than Texas is Louisiana. Everyone in the nation agrees except Texans.

This list seems just a little bit skewed. I'm left of center but I feel like it should've been called 10 worst states if youre, and followed it up with any number of marginalized persons. And that's fine, just want to know the metric we are talking about.

The American South has been reeling since the years following the Civil War. The economic strength of the Southern States was so tied up in agricultural slavery. When that system was dismantled it left a big hole in the fabric of those states socially, economically, politically. All of that resentment never went away it just changed forms over the years and turned into law and public policy. It's easy to forget that the Civil War was not that long ago, not in terms of human social development in any case.

The article explicitly states one of the evaluation criteria is as follows:

So we consider inclusiveness in state laws by measuring protections against discrimination, as well as voting rights.

I'm guessing this is what led to the outcome the post title is highlighting.

The article explains each position.

They're listed as the worst because this is basically just a political hit piece. They've defined the criteria for "best" to align with policy the democrats push and Republicans don't. It's hardly anything except a list of states that democrats agree with (or in the case of the bottom 10, don't agree with)

If you want to stay on the east, New England, New Jersey, DC, Virginia(Virginia's the weakest of these options). West coast: Cali, PNW, Colorado. Michigan gets an honorable mention due to the whirlwind of progressive legislation they've been passing lately. Along with the more favorable weather they will have long term as climate change destroys the rest of the country. Illinois is apparently pretty ok too but I don't know much about the state. Source: I'm looking to GTFO of Florida next year and have been reading up on these states for a few months now

E: here's a tool that helped me get started with my research

Ahh yes, because health care and crime isn't important to consider 🙄

What do you feel is missing from this study?

Nonono. First you remove FPTP. Then you get more than two real parties like most of western society.

When you have a democracy in place, we can start talking about who to vote for.

You shouldn't, and neither should anyone else. Most people who care are either looking at this list and saying to themselves or elsewhere "this is biased bullshit" of some type of "this validates things I already believe", and those aren't mutually exclusive.

Judging a place to live by a limited set of statistics is fairly useless.

It doesn't say the exact opposite, that's why. Your question is a non-sequitur.

I'm thinking that's mostly retirees on fixed incomes. Low wages = low cost of living = crappy schools = low wages

Is this a troll question? The metrics used are so different it's not even about the same thing.

I used pods to move from California to SC because I can work remotely, get paid a CA wage, could afford a house for the first time, while living close to family in SC.

Covid lockdowns in big cities made them feel much smaller and that started to feel a little claustrophobic- living in a tiny apartment, not really leaving that much. At least there’s more room to stretch out in smaller cities, but now that things are seemingly going back to normal (not that I think SC had any shifts in that aspect to begin with), I’d much rather be somewhere that doesn’t feel so hostile.

That being said, after a couple years of being here the vibes here are bad and I intend on moving possibly to Minneapolis as soon as I can.

This is a U.S. community. Did you read the description?

It cannot be possible that anyone still exists who hasn't heard of the Paradox of Tolerance.

So much to unpack here! I'll just note that to be tolerant doesn't preclude criticism of wrongdoing by others.

You must live and work in one of these states.

Yeah, take your ball and go home. Notice you aren't banned. You're cowering to your little corner because you can't actually argue your 'side' reasonably. You're just whining that you think factual information is somehow biased.

There are people who actually tried to discuss with you. You ignored them and wallowed in your victim complex instead. You could block those who you feel are insulting you and engage with the actual attempts for a conversation, like any normal person would.

Why is it always people crying the loudest about no discussion who bail the moment they are confronted for their BS?

Also: No one gives a shit about downvotes or upvotes on Lemmy. Karma literally doesn’t exist here.

If you think disagreeing equals silencing, you should not be on the internet at all.

Aww, somebody got their feefees hurt because their opinion was politely disagreed with.

We're all really sad to see you go. Back to Reddit with you.

Oh bless your heart you never learned to read.

You didn't even read their metrics did you? It's based on crime rates, healthcare, quality of health, etc. Those are pretty objective measures, and ones that republican-controlled states often fight against (see: reluctance to expand medicaid).

I suppose that's the only reasonable explanation that doesn't involve rethinking anything.

“Something bad said against Republicans is propaganda” doesn’t sound fascist at all, huh?

Can you provide a ranking where you would say these states would come out top? What kind of metric would you like to see being used?

You had me in the first half.

It is skewed and should say that it's terrible for liberals, not MAGA folks

You lost me at /r/politics being a democratic e ho chamber. That's silly. Sounds like you might be happier in truth social.

It's almost like the majority of people are not republican.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

…starts with a dizzying triple combo of ad hominem (democrats are infestations), straw-man (arguing that the commenters are bad instead of focusing on the article we’re commenting on), and association (all folks who disagree with me are bad).

…then demands fair and elevated discourse and complains when it’s not offered.

I might have been part of the problem in /r/politics, but your message leaves out the “treat others how you wish to be treated” lesson that is also frequently lacking in the policies of the states in the article.

By all means feel free to post something to this community to generate the discussion you’re looking for Mike!

So far you’ve posted nothing, to any community.

So why do you think health care, childcare and policies on discrimination are invalid metrics for evaluating quality of life, and with what would you replace them?

Lol get down off the cross

What do you want? Should people on the left not post here in the interest of balance? Maybe they can LARP as republicans so you don’t get triggered, would that help?

Not sure what kind of discussion you're wanting to see, but I feel like a lot of current discussion that would be considered non-left-biased is over things like "do trans people deserve to exist?" and I don't think those are discussions worth having.

How do you suppose we have political conversation without pointing out the flaws relating to the party in charge?

I was really hoping this wouldn’t be Reddit /r/politics but it seems like the infestation has begun.

Yes, we've already seen an influx of conservatives that whine that everywhere isn't stomfront-y enough for their liking.

We have plenty of comments for all sides of the political spectrum here. The only things that get removed are calls for violence, hate, or comments that are not civil toward community members.