Worst States To Live & Work In. All 10 Are Republican States
These are America’s 10 worst states to live and work in for 2023, and there's a big surprise at the very bottom
I personally agree with this list. But, we have to be pragmatic here. This is what CNBC says they did:
"The study measures quality of life issues including crime, health care, childcare and health care, as well as inclusive policies on discrimination and reproductive rights."
See, the last two skew this study. People in these shit hole states (not all, but at least enough of the voting public) don't want inclusive policies or reproductive rights. So, to them, this metric is backwards. They would argue that living in California or New York was way more terrible because of the brown people and gays.
This isn't exactly a scientific study. It's taking objective data to reach a subjective conclusion. Neat headline though.
Edit: many if them are arguing exactly that in this thread. With a nice dose of racism and misogyny thrown in. Nice. I love when shit comes full circle.
I mean… if you want to move to one of these states as potentially any type of person (ie. perhaps not white and straight) then the inclusive policies are not an optional feature. If you’re a woman, having the government meddle in your health decisions can actually be life threatening.
For white, straight folks, and especially males, it’s easy to think these other two factors just subjectively improve life, but that’s because they already have a baseline level of respect and power in society.
Based on your take, I’d guess you’re straight, white and male.
As someone born in Texas and now resides in Oklahoma I agree with this study.
As someone from West Virginia I'm stunned we didn't make the list. McDowell county is hell on earth. The northern part of the state really does hard carry the rest of it.
Economic and health factors in this ranking are severely downplayed in favor of hot social issues.
sweats in Georgia
If you want a good chuckle, here are the states that they say have the best economies. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/13/these-10-states-are-running-americas-best-economies-for-residents.html
Included in the top 10 are:
Best economies for CEOs.
One would only think that's surprising or funny if they assumed that "best economy" and "best states to live in" necessarily have a one to one overlap. While I can see there being some overlap, l think we all know that business-friendly policies that foster economic growth almost always come with a suite of larger demographic costs.
The key is to seek balance between what's good for business and what's good for the public, and in that light it shouldn't really come as a surprise that some of the most business-friendly states are also the worst places to live.
Isn't the inflation rate in Florida the highest in the nation?
The difference two years makes
And they are subject to the mental poison endemic to that region. It takes a long time and a lot of effort to purge that evil. I can speak from personal experience. It never goes away and it is a constant struggle to shout down that early indoctrination.
Don't believe everything you read. Yes a lot of that is true, but think about your daily life. Do you think all of that stuff really effects who your friends are, things you do with your family, the house you live in? The kind of things that effect your daily life, probably effect it no matter where you live (increased food prices, interest rates, etc.). Plus there's hope that one day DeSantis will be gone and maybe a lot of those things will turn around. In the mean time...
I freely admit I'm sick of living in Florida, mostly for the reasons in the article and the dreadful heat, yes. But there's a lot of good in Florida too. We have year round outdoor activities, regular launches into outer space, theme parks, pretty good beaches, no state income tax, lots of sunshine and hey at least were not Mississippi.
Just remember the source and the criteria used to make that judgment. Every place has pluses and minuses.
The culture war bullshit is doing significant harm to the red states. They're alienating significant segments of the population that, you know, contribute to society, and the only benefit they get in exchange is approval from conservatives, but according to polls the transphobes are a minority even within the right wing.
Do you think all of that stuff really effects who your friends are, things you do with your family, the house you live in?
Literally yes. How is that something you're even questioning?
probably effect it no matter where you live
Of course, but the point here is that some places are effected more than others. My state has very low unemployment, and very low homeless rates. That doesn't mean there's no homelessness and no unemployment, but it's many times less than some other states. Is that a matter of intentional state policy? Probably not. But you are statistically less likely to be homeless or unemployed here. Making matters worse, the median income in my state is $10k higher than the median income of Florida (basically a 1/3rd increase), and the median household income is $20k higher (a 35% increase). That's nearly the equivalent of having an entire additional income in a household in Florida.
no state income tax
My state also doesn't have one of those, and we don't get leveled by hurricanes at an increasing rate while the salt content in our water table rises.
at least were not Mississippi
Compared to my state, mathematically there's almost nothing separating you from Mississippi. Your population is higher but your households are just as poor. That's a concern, given the number of shockingly wealthy people that live in Floridian cities. In other words, there isn't much upward mobility in either state.
No state income tax means the richest people scoot by and the poorest pay the biggest share of their income on shitloads of tolls, the highest food prices I've ever seen, retail taxes, and insurance costs that would make your asshole pucker up the second the agent spit out the quote
If you have a lot of money and like poor people to suffer super regressive taxes, then it sounds like a fantastic place
Not Mississippi? You're Mississippi plus tourism and a different name. That's the difference
Oh and if you want a theme park that is actually fun, Ohio is the way to go
It's almost like whether it impacts your daily life depends on two factors (1) are you a targeted minority or (2) you are not a targeted minority but know anyone who is or care about them to any degree.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. It's like when people talk about "third world countries" as if they're unlivable shitholes that couldn't possibly have any positive aspects. Like you point out, there are many aspects to life that aren't directly tied to politics and generally the day-to-day really isn't that bad. It reeks of elitism and it's alienating.
Red states are shit holes, more news at 11.
Yeah, thanks for that, assholes.
Usually higher mortality in those states
This could be another huge talking point for Democrats, but once again, this great opportunity to ding Republican governance is going to be missed since Democrats are so utterly incompetent to sell their successes and attack their opponents.
The inflation rate has fallen down to 3%, which is one of the lowest in the industrialized world right now. Have there been Democrats all over the news selling that success? No, of course not. Gotta keep those wins well hidden, dontchaknow!
No one thinks we will ever change those in the orange cult. Like zombies, they are long gone and collectively barely have one functioning brain cell.
Dems need to sell their wins to get their base excited - I'm so sick of the brasè attitude that most Dems have regardless of who their candidate is. They could have the most perfect candidate and they are always looking for someone else. They also need to get some independents on board. Neither party can win an election without getting some non-affiliated to vote for them.
Except none of this is swaying any republican. Some of these states are on the list because they pass exclusive legislation, seemingly overlooking any benefits otherwise.
No one cares about swaying hard-core Republicans. They are basically a lost cause. It's about showing the entire rest of the country that Republicans can't govern - aim at swaying those in the middle.
None of the states listed are surprises nor the fact they are all Republican lead states either.
How in the world did Mississippi not make this list?
Live in mississippi, it should be #1, like it always is for shitty metrics.
Fun mississippi fact for today, if you own an electric or hybrid car you have to pay extra taxes.
Lived there for decades, have to agree.
You have very few rights as a worker. Pay is dogshit, even for better jobs. Life there sucks even if you're well off. Doesn't matter if you're rich, poor, left, right, black or white, it's gon' suck donkey balls being there.
Still made the best of my time there but now I've moved to Northern Europe and the difference is night and day.
Wisconsin here. I have to pay extra each year for a hybrid car :/
Because it's #11
Edit: Apparently it is #0
I also thought Florida would be much higher.
Weird it’s the south east whodathunkit.
It is weird, because the entire point of racist ideology in America has historically been for personal gain by slaveowners, but now it's just objectively hurting their states' economies. Are they really getting that much benefit from exploitation like prison labor and such, or are they just so stuck in their ways that they'd rather feel powerful over others at their own expense?
Lost the Civil War and still losing today. "Loser" has become such a generic insult that it obscures the literally losing nature of so many people that live in this area.
Never thought about loser actually being derogatory towards those of the south east.
Of course Indiana is one of them. Fuck.
Some of us left here aren't like them 🥺
Stuck in Missouri taking care of my grandparents and my wife's parents. I've been wanting to move out of this shithole since I was 13. Now, I have to worry about reproductive issues with my high risk wife as it seems like we are hunkering down here entering our 30s.
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What a shocking revelation.
Where is WV? We are always on lists like this
I gotta say while I'm not happy with Texas decisions and there's a lot of bs there it doesn't seem even as bad as Florida much less Alabama and Mississippi.
Texans are some of the most delusional people on the planet.
The fact they think their state even holds a candle to Florida is laughable.
People live in Texas for one reason: tax breaks.
The only other state worse than Texas is Louisiana. Everyone in the nation agrees except Texans.
Oklahoma is worse. They're basically K-mart Texas.
must have offended a Floridian?
look I'm by no means saying Texas doesn't deserve a spot on this list, but saying that Texas banning gender affirming care is somehow not as bad as government sanctioned kidnapping of trans kids in Florida is what's delusional.
This list seems just a little bit skewed. I'm left of center but I feel like it should've been called 10 worst states if youre, and followed it up with any number of marginalized persons. And that's fine, just want to know the metric we are talking about.
You may be forgetting the fact that 50ish percent of the population has a uterus. Even some of those without one have partners with one and value their partner having access to the Healthcare they need or may need at some point.
yeah I mean I would consider myself left of most of the Democratic party but you can take a look at their weightings on the metrics they used and you can see why they got the answer they did even if we'd quibble about specific state placement.
cost of doing business and business friendliness collectively makeup 20% of their weighting and cost of living and education only make up 7% total.
seems like on a list that focuses on inclusivity that they would also focus on basic needs for families but for some reason they valued basic needs for businesses at 3x families.
overall, I think in order to trust this list, I would need to lower focus on businesses and increase focus on things such as education and immigration. Texas would do poorly in both of those things but so would a lot of other states. I definitely believe it deserves a place on this list, but I don't think it would end up #1.
they're methodology summary:
Paraphrasing the waiter rule: a state that abuses any of it's residents is not a nice state. Yes, quality of life is a relative scale, but I think it's fair to put the states actively making worse the lives of it's citizens (marginalized or not) at the bottom of the list.
I moved from MO to IL and never looked back
Hey this is pretty level headed and what you're saying makes sense. Please check out lemmy.world/c/moderate_politics we'd love to have you!
The main question is imho what's the cause - are they they worst to live in because of their politics? Or do people there vote populists because they are so unhappy with their lives
The American South has been reeling since the years following the Civil War. The economic strength of the Southern States was so tied up in agricultural slavery. When that system was dismantled it left a big hole in the fabric of those states socially, economically, politically. All of that resentment never went away it just changed forms over the years and turned into law and public policy. It's easy to forget that the Civil War was not that long ago, not in terms of human social development in any case.
The article explicitly states one of the evaluation criteria is as follows:
So we consider inclusiveness in state laws by measuring protections against discrimination, as well as voting rights.
I'm guessing this is what led to the outcome the post title is highlighting.
The article explains each position.
They're listed as the worst because this is basically just a political hit piece. They've defined the criteria for "best" to align with policy the democrats push and Republicans don't. It's hardly anything except a list of states that democrats agree with (or in the case of the bottom 10, don't agree with)
THAT'S NOT VERY INCLUSIVE OF YOU
Whether you think this has a political bias or not, no matter what whose list you look up, they all basically say the same thing.
Not a single state in that list was a surprise.
I left my last job at the same time as a couple other people. We all got remote work, but I moved up to Seattle and they moved to Dallas. It's crazy how different our two places are.
Why, because quality of living and working is not impacted at all by degrees of inclusiveness and reproductive rights? I guess it depends on whether you would personally be affected, or lack any ability to emphasize or care about others.
Also, the category is called "Life, Health, and Inclusion".
They make the link between inclusiveness/reproductive rights to living and working in a state clear right at the top of the article:
Each year, as part of our overall assessment of state business climates, CNBC’s America’s Top States for Business study considers how welcoming each state is to workers and their families.
Life, Health and Inclusion is one of the study’s ten categories of competitiveness. And this year, with the nationwide worker shortage so severe, the category is taking on increased importance in our methodology.
We consider multiple quality of life factors, including crime rates, environmental quality, and health care. We also look at the quality and availability of childcare, which is one of the most important factors in getting parents back into the workforce.
Casting the widest possible net for workers means not turning anyone away. So we consider inclusiveness in state laws by measuring protections against discrimination, as well as voting rights. And with surveys showing a substantial percentage of women considering abortion restrictions when making a choice of where to live in the wake of the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade, reproductive rights are part of this year’s equation as well.
If by "don't see anything" you ignore crime, health, workers' rights. Sure
But since you asked, they're amongst the lowest average/median salaries in the country. I'm sure access to good medical care is an imaginary thing, and will only get worse as doctors avoid working there due to patients' rights that you're so flippant about
Flop Florida and Tennessee, and bump Mississippi to the top. Florida is way worse than Tennessee, so glad I left the one for the other. Still need to find somewhere better long term though.
If you want to stay on the east, New England, New Jersey, DC, Virginia(Virginia's the weakest of these options). West coast: Cali, PNW, Colorado. Michigan gets an honorable mention due to the whirlwind of progressive legislation they've been passing lately. Along with the more favorable weather they will have long term as climate change destroys the rest of the country. Illinois is apparently pretty ok too but I don't know much about the state. Source: I'm looking to GTFO of Florida next year and have been reading up on these states for a few months now
E: here's a tool that helped me get started with my research
Good, stay the fuck out! Stay in your own shit holes.
Ridiculous study. Nothing about climate, taxes, real estate, schools, natural amenities.
Ahh yes, because health care and crime isn't important to consider 🙄
what a propaganda so vote for democrats forever right? /s
Nonono. First you remove FPTP. Then you get more than two real parties like most of western society.
When you have a democracy in place, we can start talking about who to vote for.
"... and up next: the 7 signs you're getting older". Pfff, whatever dude.
And why should I give a singular fuck about cnbc's list of personal preferences?
You shouldn't, and neither should anyone else. Most people who care are either looking at this list and saying to themselves or elsewhere "this is biased bullshit" of some type of "this validates things I already believe", and those aren't mutually exclusive.
Judging a place to live by a limited set of statistics is fairly useless.
https://www.pods.ca/fr/blog/2023/05/moving-trends
Can anyone explain why this says the exact opposite?
It doesn't say the exact opposite, that's why. Your question is a non-sequitur.
Is this a troll question? The metrics used are so different it's not even about the same thing.
I used pods to move from California to SC because I can work remotely, get paid a CA wage, could afford a house for the first time, while living close to family in SC.
Covid lockdowns in big cities made them feel much smaller and that started to feel a little claustrophobic- living in a tiny apartment, not really leaving that much. At least there’s more room to stretch out in smaller cities, but now that things are seemingly going back to normal (not that I think SC had any shifts in that aspect to begin with), I’d much rather be somewhere that doesn’t feel so hostile.
That being said, after a couple years of being here the vibes here are bad and I intend on moving possibly to Minneapolis as soon as I can.
I would love to move to Texas. I think this person has a very very bias opinion.
why don't you post this in a us community. I don't give a shit about this.
This is a U.S. community. Did you read the description?
Aww gee, more bashing of the right by the tolerant left. If it weren't for double standards liberals wouldn't have any standards at all.
It cannot be possible that anyone still exists who hasn't heard of the Paradox of Tolerance.
This title is misleading. Inclusiveness was the predominant negative. I'm sorry but that's not going to be everyone's biggest concern. Example, of new parents are looking for the best place to raise their kids they are (and should) prioritize childcare. Now double check that list, what states had childcare as a pro...
Or, you can stop virtue signaling and being a prick, and realize you pointed out the real crux of this is the overall generalized statements they made in this 'research'. Where is the raw data, why isn't this open for peer review? Why are so many things grouped together? Are they grouped together? Who and why are thing weighed the way they are. Why is their opinion now some standard? Because you happen to agree with it? That's bullshit and is just confirmation bias. Also, your statement assumes the child will for sure be trans. Also also, instead of worrying about the here and now and working towards change for a better future, na, let's base decisions on a distance future we don't know based only on the politics of today.
But what do I know, I'm clearly not clairvoyant like yourself. So my original statement stands, misleading title.
I posted one comment, got 20 replies from people in less than half an hour. I never even said anything wrong or insulting. This is how you people act both in person and online. It’s sad. I’m lucky to have friends in real life, both liberals and republicans in my group of friends, and all of us can discuss without being mad at each other over some beers.
You people are not the people who will put change in the world. Do better. Community blocked.
Yeah, take your ball and go home. Notice you aren't banned. You're cowering to your little corner because you can't actually argue your 'side' reasonably. You're just whining that you think factual information is somehow biased.
There are people who actually tried to discuss with you. You ignored them and wallowed in your victim complex instead. You could block those who you feel are insulting you and engage with the actual attempts for a conversation, like any normal person would.
Why is it always people crying the loudest about no discussion who bail the moment they are confronted for their BS?
Also: No one gives a shit about downvotes or upvotes on Lemmy. Karma literally doesn’t exist here.
If you think disagreeing equals silencing, you should not be on the internet at all.
Aww, somebody got their feefees hurt because their opinion was politely disagreed with.
We're all really sad to see you go. Back to Reddit with you.
We are?
I happen to agree with the deciding points but the title should clearly be "Worst States To Live & Work In according to Democrats. All 10 Are Republican States".
It’s democrats ranking states based off their policies, so of course the Republican states will all be at the bottom lol.
Headline should be: “Democrats say Republican states are worst states to live in”.
We should be posting political articles that aren’t clickbait echo chamber propaganda. Don’t let this become Reddits /r/politics, which was REALLY /r/democrats
You didn't even read their metrics did you? It's based on crime rates, healthcare, quality of health, etc. Those are pretty objective measures, and ones that republican-controlled states often fight against (see: reluctance to expand medicaid).
It’s mostly influenced by abortion and trans gender policies though. It’s click bait and political click bait.
Here's a completely unbiased excerpt about the "worst" state of Texas:
The Lone Star State keeps hacking away at inclusiveness, with laws targeting the LGBTQ+ population, voting rights, and the nation’s strictest abortion ban. Yes, there are enormous economic opportunities in Texas, and it is attracting people from far and wide. But this state also has some Texas-sized issues when it comes to life, health and inclusion. And it is one of the reasons that the state fell out of the overall top five for the first time in the 16-year history of CNBC’s rankings.
I suppose that's the only reasonable explanation that doesn't involve rethinking anything.
Can you provide a ranking where you would say these states would come out top? What kind of metric would you like to see being used?
Ok, let’s be objective and use the “Republican-biased” business website state rankings that took its rankings from WalletHub and focuses on the BEST states for “affordability, economy, education/health, quality of life and safety”.
Holy shit, liberal darling, land of Romneycare, Massachusetts is #1. Followed by…New Jersey…and…New York.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/best-states-america-live-this-year-report
Maybe Fox Business isn’t conservative enough anymore? I guess I need to start looking on the Q-Anon forums for a state ranking.
Per capita membership to neo nazi groups?
I don't feel like doing enough data analysis to get a perfect flip of these 10 being on top, but you could use criteria like low tax rates, abortion restrictions, and loose gun laws, and get a pretty solid inverse list.
The better question is what value do these lists have outside of getting a bunch of people who already agree with it circle jerking over how the incredibly biased list proves they're right?
You had me in the first half.
It is skewed and should say that it's terrible for liberals, not MAGA folks
You lost me at /r/politics being a democratic e ho chamber. That's silly. Sounds like you might be happier in truth social.
I was really hoping this wouldn’t be Reddit /r/politics but it seems like the infestation has begun. Might as well change the community name to Democrats and not politics if it’s going to be the same as Reddit. Otherwise let’s keep “politics” an actual balance of actual discussion and not an echo chamber.
If there’s a problem with my comment to you, you’re the problem. Nothing I said was offensive or bad.
…starts with a dizzying triple combo of ad hominem (democrats are infestations), straw-man (arguing that the commenters are bad instead of focusing on the article we’re commenting on), and association (all folks who disagree with me are bad).
…then demands fair and elevated discourse and complains when it’s not offered.
I might have been part of the problem in /r/politics, but your message leaves out the “treat others how you wish to be treated” lesson that is also frequently lacking in the policies of the states in the article.
By all means feel free to post something to this community to generate the discussion you’re looking for Mike!
So far you’ve posted nothing, to any community.
Lol get down off the cross
What do you want? Should people on the left not post here in the interest of balance? Maybe they can LARP as republicans so you don’t get triggered, would that help?
Maybe just stick to posting things of a higher quality than just circle jerking democrats?
Not sure what kind of discussion you're wanting to see, but I feel like a lot of current discussion that would be considered non-left-biased is over things like "do trans people deserve to exist?" and I don't think those are discussions worth having.
I was really hoping this wouldn’t be Reddit /r/politics but it seems like the infestation has begun.
Yes, we've already seen an influx of conservatives that whine that everywhere isn't stomfront-y enough for their liking.
We have plenty of comments for all sides of the political spectrum here. The only things that get removed are calls for violence, hate, or comments that are not civil toward community members.
Interesting how the constant slanderous accusations of fascism being thrown around don't qualify as "not civil"
Do you think that it might be that logic and reason have a liberal bias? I mean, it’s not a big stretch to think that racism, bigotry, misogyny, and xenophobia might find itself at odds with those on the rational side of arguments.
It also will always amuse me when people whine about “liberal bias” when what they mean is- self-awareness and non-judgmental observation.
Don't you assholes have Twitter and Truth to go whine and cry on?
I'm extremely left leaning, pretty much all of the top voted replies to you are ridiculous. Clearly this is already an echo chamber
They are paid to spread propaganda and hate and bring back racism, otherwise they couldn’t sell you their “cure”, you’ll never get rid of parasites
They are not paid, they have been groomed to think their point of view is the majority. It's not.
They are paid to spread propaganda
Paid by whom?