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The Netherlands short 390.000 homes in 2023

www.iamexpat.nl The Netherlands short 390.000 homes in 2023

New research reveals that, in 2023, the Netherlands is short approximately 390.000 homes - a sharp increase compared to last year’s figure of 315.000.

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So is the largest contributor to the problem just lack of land? Seems like most of the other problems from the article can be solved with money, but a lack of land makes it hard to build anything
- I once calculated that if we reduce the land use for livestock by 50% and then use 10% of the newly freed land to build housing (the other 40% can become nature), we can build a city something like 1.5x times the size of Amsterdam, the largest city in the Netherlands.
  
  It's not a lack of land. It's how the land is being used. Almost half is for livestock (or more accurate: to dump the shit of that livestock, as the majority of the animals is kept indoors).
  
  Is the land the livestock are currently using capable of supporting dense housing and is it close to urban cores. Or would you just build sky scrapers in the middle of nowhere, because China tried that and it failed.
  
  So less food, more people? Have you heard the term "famine" before?
- map of land usage in the netherlands
  
  See those red dots? Thats where people live. See the vast vast light green background? Thats agrictulture.
- I think the three biggest contributors are:
  
  immigration
  
  nitrogen crisis not allowing to have as many houses built as we need
  
  seniors living at home longer instead of going to a nursing home
  
  The biggest contributor is the massive amounts of land being used for producing meat, which is then exported to other countries
- More land can be "created" just by building taller.
  
  Nope, our spoil isn’t dense enough for it. We cannot build higher then what you see in Rotterdam, because the building would just fall over
- Lack of land
  
  The Dutch: hold my beer
  
  Global warming: Hold my beer.
- It doesn’t help, but there are a few factors that are more limiting right now. Labour shortage is one, as are nitrogen emissions. A lot of developers also find the current building costs too high.
  
  There are plenty of plots that can be built on, with all of the paperwork good to go.
- Give this a watch, we most certainly do not lack land.
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B8kyrIQCFXQ
  
  Tldr: France could house the entire world in sustainable housing.
  
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Literally importing cheap labor quicker than they can build
- Nah, the big problem is that houses are too pricey for people to afford. The combination of a load of (international) students, the war in Ukraine, the last 13 years of government focusing on rich corporations made it so many young adults can not afford to buy or even rent their own place. If money was not an issue, I guarantee this would've not been as big a problem.
  
  High demand meabs prices go up. Literally economics 101.
390 to 3 decimal places isn’t bad.
- Many English speaking countries use the comma to separate groups of three whole number digits and the period to notate the partial number digits. Most non English-speaking countries do the opposite.
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator
  
  I appreciate it, I’m aware, was just making a joke.

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