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7mo ago

ts moment

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My friends and I still use TS3. The audio quality and voice activation is better than Discord's, and the desktop app doesn't take ten fucking gigabytes of RAM to run.
- Good to hear ts3 is still rockin.
  If you use discord, access with a web browser. No need to ever download discord the app
- Nah bro that's just the memory leaks, your supposed to force close and reopen it every so often so the OS cleans up after their shitty application
  
  Memory is cheap nowadays, so that's a feature /s

It seems many don't remember why there was a ts2 mass extinction. It was because of the horrendous ts3 licensing.
Why the masses went to yet another closed system like discord I'll never understand while being very satisfied with mumble/murmur.
- The absolute largest group of players in any game stuck with Mumble. That would be The Goonswarm Federation in EvE Online. We have just over 25,000 people, and well over 100,000 characters in the Alliance. In fact, AFAIK, all of the major alliances have to use Mumble because it allows more than 100 people in a room
- Don't you have to host Mumble somewhere? With Discord anyone can create a server and invite friends for free with no technical knowledge required. That's a huge plus. I also remember RadCall was a thing for a while, at least where I am from.
  
  Yes, you need to run the service somewhere. But anyone can do so (Foss).
  With discord my experience is limited but I currently understand it's a service model so you're dependant on a company, which can pull the same sh*t teamspeak did at any time.
  Not needing any technical knowledge just means someone else is running it, possibly being able to lock you in. And in the case of discord, you already are locked in and have to accept whatever they think up.
  At some point, monetization will take over.
- Revolt should be next in the cycle

Once Discord embraces enshittification, we will meet again. :)
- Mumble better
- Ironic that traditionally Nitro makes things happen faster, probably in this case as well
  
  What do you mean? Genuine question, I'm loosely familiar with the the issues with Discord having it's growing issues with data and advertising but I assumed Nitro was the worst element.
- Discord enshittification is well under way, just this week I have started seeing ads in the client just above the voice channel status in the bottom left. Cancelled my Nitro immediately, no point if they are going to shove ads in my face anyway.
  Currently looking at alternatives, Revolt looks promising, and can be self hosted.
  
  [Matrix] is the most promising option right noe, having an ecosystem and eee
  
  Bullshit. Pics or it didn't happen. You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
  Additionally, you can click on it and tell it to never show you any more quests.
  Either that or you're removed about discord telling you that it has added more voice channel mini games.
- No need when you have free software Mumble + Murmur :)
  
  Isn't mumble hot garbage? My planet side outfit memes on it whenever it gets brought up.

Shit, that’s a real post. The whole account is just talking about how nobody uses TeamSpeak anymore.
- That's a pretty sweet paid gig for someone who does professional PR.
  Very pathetic in any other scenario though.

Here I am self-hosting Mumble for friends & using Mumble at work. Old tech was built to actually be good on resources.
- +1 for Mumble. I set up a load of Android PoC devices with a Mumble server and it's honestly like having walkie-talkies that work over the Intertubes.
  
  My phone has extra buttons, so I use the camera shutter for hardware push-to-talk

Mumble is super popular with EVE Online players still, no? Because of the support for a large number of users in a single room
- I remember moving to mumble from teams peak because it allowed pretty cool levels of configuration.
  Back in the late 00s and early 00s I was doing world of warcraft raiding. I had the server setup to have one key for main raid and another to talk to only officers. Quite useful especially in bigger raids.
  Also as I recall for any remotely large ts server you needed to pay. The self hosted one was always gimped. Mumble you could self host with no limits.
  
  teams peak real
- Also supports positional audio which was very cool wheb first introduced for voip
- Yep, Mumble is the most common, and there are still a couple groups that use Teamspeak.
  Discord caps at 100 people in a call while I've seen good Mumble servers handle over 800.
  
  For a group our size (we regularly have over 800 people on our mumble, peak is somewhere around the 1.3k mark if I remember correctly), it would also be very cost prohibitive to use TS
- Can confirm. Goonswarm still needs Mumble because we have thousands of players that need to listen to the weekly fireside.

Me, the mystery dude in the game server who doesn't have a mic, doesn't use any voice features, never text chats, but always shows up and plays.
- Omg.. he finally speaks

The real question is: How in the world did Ventrillo continue to exist after TeamSpeak came along?
Vent was an object lesson in hostile UX. It sounded like shit, changing any kind of setting (even basic things like individual volumes) was a a gymnastics routine, and mics constantly clipped despite settings.
- Vent was super lightweight, and easy to use. It's why it lasted so long.
  
  I had completely forgotten about Ventrilo, Team Speak, and Mumble. This whole post is a blast from the past.
- A lot of WoW people used vent and so people just used what they were used to
- Vi sitter här i venten och spelar lite DotA...
  it’s gonna be stuck in my head all day now
  
  I hear you man
  
  oh man, you've gotten it stuck in my head too!
- Unpopular opinion, ventrilo was better than team speak. It didn’t sound like crap especially when you had good server codecs and it was extremely easy to use and lightweight.
  
  I don't think that's unpopular at all, I only ever used vent in highschool and uni, some of the groups I ran with even went back to vent from TS becauae of the sound quality. It was simple and easy to use and pretty much everyone had it.
- Where else are you going to suck balls... All day... Because you like it so much?
  
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- Culturally relevant marketing. https://youtu.be/qTsaS1Tm-Ic
  
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No joke last time I launched team speak was scary lmao. I didn't have my server anymore so my buddies and I joined a random one. As we were chilling and gaming random people joined in and called us the n word and then left over the course of our session lol definitely felt like a 360 CoD lobby

Ventrilo
- Vi sitter här på venten och spelar lite DOTA
- Past memory unlocked.
- "Get off vent or get bent "
  
  Blow it out your ass
- Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
  Ventrilo
  Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
  I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

drop version 5 and people might start fucking using it again.
Mumble even though it's literally dead, is a better platform.
Matrix and XMPP both support this shit also. This is literally a skill issue.
- At a glance it looks like Mumble is not dead at all, latest "preview" release is from last month
  
  i dont think the software is "dead dead" but i think it's dead from the aspect that it seems to be stagnant, which to be clear, isn't a bad thing. It just feels a little bit like it's still 2012 everytime you open mumble.
  It's a tad bit disappointing, considering i love it so much. But i don't think anything else will properly replace it.

Oh, I still use Teamspeak! It's very nice for small groups up to 32 people (after that one has to use the paid tiers). I do not use X though.
Maybe I'll give Mumble a shot, so I can integrate it with Matrix/Synapse/Element.
- would recommend trying out mumble, it's pretty slick.
- Didn't know mumble could work together with matrix but makes sense
  
  Have to test it but guides suggest that it's possible
- Yeah, I feel like the OP picture is more of a commentary about the overlap, or lack of overlap, between people who use ts, and people that use the service formerly known as Twitter.
- Does mumble integrate with Element?
  
  There are mumble -> matrix bridges you can set up. It doesn't integrate with element, it integrates with matrix, for which matrix is a client.
  
  I didn't try yet but there are guides.

people will come back if the bloat/ad-trend of discord continues... hopefully?
- nah I'll just continue to mod my client until the death of it. If discord ever decides to ban mods, then most likely yeah I'll move. Default discord is so fucking bloated and unusable.
  
  ✋ paying for discord nitro
  👉👉 paying your favorite client mod dev
  
  Are there modded clients for mobile?
  
  Shit, there are discord mods? Is there a list somewhere of popular mods/what do you recommend?
  
  Didnt know discord could be modded. Do you have any privacy enhancing mods you'd recommend?

Used teamspeak untill me and my crew switched to mumble. They all use discord now though so fuck the traitors.
- Only a matter of time before Discord does a Reddit.
  
  Pretty sure they have already started. There's been controversy with discord doing shit in the past that was leaning that way.
- Been on mumble over a decade, I can't imagine why anyone would want to use discord. Although there's something fishy about mumble.com

Still hosting TS as the primary place my friends record things because of the audio quality and especially reliability compared to Discord, but not so much for hangouts anymore. Got Mumble in the back pocket in case the licensing goes to crap though

I refuse to use discord, it is basically malware. Selfhosting is the only way, and TS3 works great for that.
- how is discord malware?
  
  Huge RAM usage, wierd crashes, causes random lag in games, constant enshittification on-going. No thanks.
- Isn't TeamSpeak proprietary though?
  
  Yes, but free

Multiplay.co.uk stopped offering servers, and Discord was all new, bright and shiny so we switched to Disc. Was sad to see it go tbh

I'm absolutely still using teamspeak. Nice and light, and it let's us run a soundboard plugin that let's you have unlimited length audio clips. I just wish they'd update the plugin to support the 64-bit version.

I still self host my TS3 for my nerd herd, and as an EvE online player (currently trying to win, but thats hard), you have to be fluent in all voip solutions as they all have different requirments and say a lot about your group.
Discord - small group, utilizing free services, may have an auth tool, used to keep in contact with people from old groups. Remember kids, if the product is free, you are the product
TS3 - mid-sized group (100-1000 players) requires a real IT team, will have an authentication system and generally will have their shit together. Ease of set up is handy, but admin user accounts can break servers.
Mumble - Welcome to the big leagues. (1K+ players) The resources you require now require resources in meat-space and are rather substantial. You need real IT security and people on a payroll. It will drive your admins nuts for about a week setting everything up, but once its done, you wont have to touch it again.
Ventrilo - old school WoW player...
- How would mumble take a week to spin up?
  
  There is a difference between having it turn on and hardening it against DDOS attacks while haveing 500 nerds try to use it as coms for massive videogame fights (this has happened, its against the games rules, but it has happened). If you can do that in a day, please empart your wisdom.
  
  Serious EVE players are something else. The mention about IT security isn't a hyperbole, some EVE players take the espionage meta-game very seriously, and even though it's not only against the rules but also illegal, that's not gonna stop them. I mean, once they literally got someone to turn off electricity for a whole town just so they can win a fight (I tried to find a link to the article, because I'm 90% sure I did read about it somewhere, but I can't manage to find it anywhere, if anyone has a link. Maybe it was just a rummor, or an unexecuted plan?)
- Me who started with Roger Wilco: •.• >.>
- What about Skype though?
  /s

If you didn't play EverQuest with Roger Wilco, don't even talk to me about voice chat.
- Well, here I was, wondering when EverQuest had added the protagonist of Space Quest to their game at some point, taking an embarassing amount of time before realising what this is actually saying.

just for ARMA stuff, like ACRE
- That TS integration plugin was sooo good

We use it for additional comms in foxhole, can't be in multiple channels at once and we've got about 8 groups that need to communicate between each other
- You can easily do that with some extra key bindings and channel commanders/whisper groups
  
  Yeah that's what we do, whisper lists for everyone who needs to do inter-section Comms. Everyone else is just in the discord channels. It's not perfect but it's worked for years now