Jerry Seinfeld’s Teen Girlfriend Saga Resurfaces After Duke Walkout
Jerry Seinfeld’s Teen Girlfriend Saga Resurfaces After Duke Walkout
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Jerry Seinfeld’s Teen Girlfriend Saga Resurfaces After Duke Walkout
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Why does everyone keep bring up my kid dating? In my day you could date kids and no one would bat an eye. Now the woke mob says it's bad. Go woke go broke
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Can't expect him to think it's wrong when I'm his world it isn't. Even lovable celebrities like Guillermo del Toro signed petitions to pardon Polanski. All the rockstars of the 70s fucked kids. Savile got away with it because everyone who knew let him. The ex and likely next president is a rapist who wants to fuck his own daughter and people are defending him for it.
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This was one of those that made me realize that celebrities are a whole other breed. Hollywood is full of this shit, even worse in the 70s and 80s. Hell, David Bowie and Mick Jagger were fucking 14 year olds and people still worship them.
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Kendrick called out Drake recently by rapping that he has a nymph fetish. Never knew there was another name besides ephebophile/pedophile, but yeah wtf... Is it being stuck mentally at an age they didn't grow from sexually or something?
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The line from Kendrick's Meet the Grahams is actually
He hates Black women, hypersexualizes ’em with kinks of a nympho fetish
This part isn't about children, it's generally believed to be about Drakes alleged assault on Laquana Morris.
The former stripper and Instagram model alleged: “Drake forced me to perform oral on him. It wasn’t your ordinary oral it was more so a fetish.” She then describes how he told her to spit into a cup “until he had measured it."
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I don't know anything about the Drake/Kendrick thing, but the term nymph probably became associated with pedophilia because of the novel Lolita. It's one of the creepy endearments the main character comes up with while he is obsessing over the child he's going to rape later in the story.
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Is Bowie and Jagger riding 14 year olds a rumour, in a book, or in a court case?
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Lori Maddox says that she lost her virginity to Bowie when she was 15, but she has also said she was in a relationship with Jimmy Page starting when she was 13/14, and that she lost her virginity to Page, which if true would mean she didn't lose her virginity to Bowie.
Then you have to look at her changing story about the Bowie incident. She's said it happened in 1972, but then she also has said he propositioned her in 1972, but they didn't have sex until 1973, when she said she had dinner with Bowie and they were joined by John Lennon and Yoko Ono, but Bowie didn't meet John Lennon until 1974. Then she said they went back to his suite at the Hilton and had sex, but Bowie was staying at the Hyatt during his 1973 tour.
Another version she's told is that she and Sable Starr went to the Beverly Hilton and found out what room Bowie was in and snuck in. There they convinced a tired Bowie to have sex with Maddox for 3-4 hours, then had a threesome with Maddox and Sable, who then snuck out. But in another telling of the story she has said that Bowie's wife Angie walked in on them the next morning.
She also has issues with her story about sleeping with Mick Jagger, where she claims to have attended a 1975 recording session with John, Paul, Ringo, and Mick Jagger, and then had sex with Jagger immediately afterwards. The main issue is that the only Lennon McCartney jam session after the Beatles broke up happened in 1974, and Mick Jagger wasn't at it.
None of this is to say she didn't lose her virginity to Bowie when she was 14-15, but there are lots of photos of her and Jimmy Page from 1972-75 but none with her and Bowie.
It was a long time ago, and memory is unreliable, which could explain the inconsistencies in her different telling of the events, and I would not be surprised in both Bowie and Jagger had sex with underage people, but Lori Maddox's stories aren't the best evidence to hang them with.
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Yes.
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Good. It's what he deserves. I was 9 or 10 when that happened and I remember thinking it was so gross and being confused why people were just like...cool with it? I'm glad people are calling him out now - better late than never, I guess.
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Boomers have a much higher tolerance of SA and grooming. Look at how it's just accepted that Rock Stars could have underaged... pursuits.
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I know this won't be popular, but it's for a few reasons:
- It wasn't and isn't illegal.
- Most people would look at her and see a hot woman and understand it.
- This whole puritanical BS that if you are over 18 and find someone under 18 attractive, that makes you a pedophile, is a modern a theme. Back then people were free to admit that they found young women attractive without being labelled by so many to have a mental disorder.
I speak strongly about this because I think we are doing great damage to mental health to repeatedly claim it's a mental disorder to have a completely normal and common biological attraction.
But don't get me wrong, I 100% support protecting minors from predators. I agree these laws should exist, I just wish people would stop pretending that there is something wrong with the attraction itself.
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Yup. I can't listen to classic rock because it's near impossible to find a band or artist who wasn't fucking people under 16.
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They really do. My own father married a 17 year old when he was 26 (years before he met my mom), and I spent a long time trying to justify it to myself with the fact that a lot of people did that kind of thing in the 70s. It wasn't until I was an adult that I was finally able to process my feelings about him as a human separate from my feelings about him as a father and just admit that was disgusting. He actually said her parents should've had him thrown in jail, but she was already a huge asshole (and still is) and they probably saw an opportunity to pawn her off on someone else. I'm not surprised she was a nightmare with everyone around her totally failing her, though.
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"Jerry Seinfeld and Shoshanna Lonstein Gruss claimed they were "just friends" in the beginning of their relationship and only went public when she turned 18..."
"...Shoshanna is a person, not an age. She is extremely bright. She's funny, sharp, very alert. We just get along. You can hear the click."
And don't forget:
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Shoshanna is a person, not an age
Um aktuly, it's called ephibaphilia
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“If you don’t like it, cancel me!”
Jerry probably shouldn’t be talking about other people’s ability to make bad decisions.
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In the declining years of his career perhaps he's combative with everyone on purpose.
"Just cancel me", does he think there's someone somewhere that decides who is unacceptable to the public?
He wants to create a controversy just so his name can be in the news, all publicity is good publicity when you sell spectacle.
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He just did a little whoopsie!
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Jerry Seinfeld and his family were in Caliber 3. During their visit to Israel last week, they came to us for a special and exciting activity with displays of combat, Krav Maga, assault dogs and lots of Zionism. It was great.”
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I mean what's the deal with age anyway /s
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Just a number!
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It's always amused me as a Jewish person that Jerry Seinfeld is so Jewish that he's even only pedophilic with Jewish girls.
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So we're being prejudiced against two consenting adults now? Would love to see how you respond to this person:
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I remember we had a coworker (in his late 20s or early 30s) gushing on how he celebrated his gfs 18th birthday. Then we all started doing the math when earlier he had mentioned they had been together for 2 years.
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was it ex-Liverpool striker Sadio Mane?
Senegal star Sadio Mane (31) marries longtime girlfriend Aisha Tamba (18)
age added to headline by me
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Oh geeze. Don’t know who that is but this was back in the mid-2000s.
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Had a similar incident, but he was 35, she was 18, and they'd been together 6 years. Bonus, they were Christian 🤮
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Bruh typicall teacher moment
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And her parents were okay with this? Wow!
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As gross as it is, 38 year old celebrity millionaire isn't the same as 38 year old Ted in shipping and receiving.
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Ted sounds like quite the importer/exporter. I feel like he should focus more on the imports than the exports. E.g. latex, diapers, chips and long matches.
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Pretty much how I regard Seinfeld.
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Not trying to defend him. But sexual self-determination of 17 or 18 year old girls is a strange topic. Usually most people, especially the girls themselves are all for it. We generally are too. Unless it is our own daughter, a sister, a god-daughter or someone like that. Than we do not want them to actually exert this right. And we do love to use love affairs of couples like this as ammunition if we want to discredit someone, don't we?
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The girls themselves are mostly "all for it" when it's people roughly their age. There are exceptions but most girls that age see 30+ year olds as lame old dudes. Most 30+ year olds aren't going after high school girls either. That's why we all cringed at David Woodson's line in "Dazed and Confused".
The people who don't want them to "exert this right" are the responsible parents, friends and community who know that a 30+ year old dating a teenager is creepy AF.
The few people who actually support this are mostly rationalizing.
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I guess each person is different. I have zero sexual interest for women under (at very least) 25 (i am slightly older than him at the time they meet)
Even if they look older than they are, i still have no interest because there is too much different life experience and expectations. I just don't click (as a friend let alone as lover or partner).
Why 18 and not 17 or 25? Well society decided this is a (imo conservative, could have been higher) threshold for old people to have sex with young people.
Also 17 year old people can totally have sex with people of similar age (and we all have done 🙂) so it is not really about sexual self determination but rather avoiding predatory/manipolative behaviors of (much) older partners/lovers
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I'm 46. The women in MILF porn feel too young for me sometimes. Really. I want to see women around my age in porn more. That's who I've always been most attracted to- women approximately the same age as me.
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Well society decided this
Some societies did. removedistan is notn "The Society". removedistan also decided that you can volunteer to go to war and get killed for your country and that at the same time you are not old enough to have a beer. Maybe removedistan is not the measure of all things.
In Germany, while it never is ok for a person in a position of power to abuse this power, regardless of age or sexes, the age of consent is generally 14, 16 at the latest. Not everybody is happy with that of course, but maybe one should be a little more open to see more colors than black and white.
Regarding Seinfeld: Was he actually in a position of power over this girl? How so?
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When I was a teen I would have been "all for it" with adult women. But maybe adults should not groom children regardless of that. The power dynamic is gross.
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No. We want them to have healthy relationships. Being groomed is not healthy. It's also nearly impossible to have that kind of an age difference without grooming being involved. This is why we have Romeo and Juliet laws to set boundaries for teenagers.
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It's the position of power that might play a role, so as a rule, if you might be in position of power (boss, gov authority figure, or just older), make really really sure everything is out in the open and talked about. It's a necessary topic to understand consent.
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Absolutely. It is really not ok for someone in a position of power over a another person to leverage that power for personal gain. The age and gender of the "victim" only plays a minir role in that scenario, however.
Also: Was Seinfeld in a position of power over her?
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I get crucified every which way possible any time I bring up the fact that they didn't start dating until she was 18.
Instead of moving the goalposts like "well it's still grooming and/or fucked up somehow", or "not all brains are fully developed at 18" or "he's subjectively too old" or whatever, be mad at the law and try to change it if you really disagree so much. Best of luck getting anywhere with that though, I don't think it's a popular opinion.
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thedailybeast
damn he's so cancelled now /s
IMO this is a nothingburger that only a small vocal minority of generally unpopular opinioned people are pushing, I would bet money nothing is going to happen.
I have not seen any concrete evidence that would lead me to think so negatively of him like these comments I'm reading would suggest. We have a difference of opinion but I don't think that justifies calling someone a pedophile for dating a mutually consenting adult.
Also:
According to People in March 1994, sources told the magazine that Lonstein Gruss’ family approved of the match
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Seinfeld met her when she was a 17 in a public place and got her number. She was a minor. She wasn’t an adult. Say what you want about being “canceled” or whatever nonsense you want to say to frame it, but that is the very definition of grooming. Are you okay with the grooming of minors?
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Are you ok with the age of consent in NY being 17?
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You are in this thread a lot, defending Jerry every time.
Good for you for having a hobby.
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