Privacy @lemmy.ml

1y ago

The official chat room for a privacy community is discord?

Is this a joke?

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Holy shit you right. Its convenience I guess for newbies. But yeah thats really bad for privacy.
- I mean, you can banish it to a browser, a dedicated even if you really wanted to. Matrix is not exactly the most beginner friendly thing tbh
  
  matrix through Element is as user-friendly as discord 🤷
  
  Matrix I feel is one of the better os for newbies You just send them towards element.io. Or at least that's what I did with my friend, when I wanted them to switch
- Is it, though? It's intended to be a public forum either way. As the MPAA and RIAA should have learned, you can't really keep a public secret.
  Using Discord just makes that transparent. You're absolutely being spied on, instead of jumping through a bunch of hoops to give yourselves false confidence that you're not being spied on.
  Sure. It's an easy gotcha. But if you consider it a bit more it makes sense.
- atleast use guilded
  
  A chat program owned by Roblox Corporation is not my idea of trustworthy.

It should be matrix. I doubt anyone who really understands would be using discord. It was probably just copied from the reddit one.
- Came here to say this 👆 It's really not hard to get started or use, folks just drag their feet on it for some reason.
  
  Change is annoying, folk don't like having multiple platforms to talk with. A network is only as strong as the number of participants in ot, and discord has won that by a long shot. I'd love to see Matrox grow myself.
  
  When I started using Matrix I definitely thought "wtf is this", but after 5 minutes and when I got invited to channels it all makes sense. Much prefer the privacy focused matrix

Count me out. Let me know when you revive the chat room on Matrix.

it does sound like a joke

Security experts are not on discord. Sounds like a honeypot.

Could somebody just create a Matrix group/channel/room/space already?
- There are plenty already, why not a joint?
  More solidarity/less division would be nice but it doesn't mean that some individuals wouldn't need to prove themselves to the tasks.

privacy communities are a joke. dont trust any of them
- They always glow af

Should be only certified letters
- Certified? So they collect signatures? No thanks
- Can't even trust owls, can't trust those blokes.
  
  Anything that can turn it's head that far should never be trusted. Shifty bastards.
- Not sure those even that secure.

Matrix is a great discord-like experience. From my experience it's got different channels, direct messing and a focus it seems on privacy which is nice. Compared to discord that doesn't even support end to end encryption

Out of curiosity, why Matrix and not these other options:
Jabber/XMPP - has a creat client called Conversations (decentralised)
SimpleX - by far the most anonymous and potentially decent privacy (centralised server)
Session - a Signal fork without requiring phone number
all of the above are listed on F-Droid
- Matrix is also decentralized/federated, has encryption integrated into the protocol and enjoys a broad adoption and public support. It also has pretty good integration of bots and even other message protocol services like IRC via "bridges". The chat clients are pretty good too; Element is pretty much available for every platform but there's other one's which are more focussed on Desktop or mobile usage, depending on how you primarily use it.
- The main thing they lack is an easy to use Discord to [XMPP, simplex, session] bridge, If they have that then you could just hop on whichever you prefer and be in touch with the group. Love it or hate it, discord is the top chat app for the moment and being able to interact with it is a necessity.
  Matrix has basically come in to place as IRC "2.0" with developers, nearly every fediverse project has Matrix channels, most open source projects in general are starting to have them. XMPP has many years on Matrix but it never took off in regards to that very critical niche of early adopters, developers and power users. XMPP was a good competetor to the web 1.0 chat apps of AIM and MSN but Discord and other apps are much more rich content focused.
  Simplex seems to only have a command line interface for PC, it als owould be pretty clunky for groups i think, I have yet to see anyone advertise a Simplex "group chat" in the way they would a discord server, but perhaps there are examples out there.
  Session is somewhat better but hinges on the success of a cryptocurrency for its continued development so thats a no from me, also seems to have a lot of scammers although perhaps not as bad as telegram.
  Matrix has clients listed on F-Droid.
  
  @gravitywell
  Oh man, Telegram is a total cesspit. Unfortunately there are several l#Ukraine related channels I'd like to follow on there, but I've resisted the temptation so far.
  @bruzzard @privacy

There's a privacy-friendly Discord out there called Revolt. Honestly, though, it doesn't bug me if the chat is on Discord. I will not use it, even if it is on Matrix or Revolt.
- They always glow af

I like Discord. But it's not for privacy. Matrix seems to be pretty good.

Revolt is supposed to be a privacy-focused alternative to Discord. Haven't used it myself. Is it promising? Will it ever gain traction?
- It's promising but it's very small. I've not really found a "home" on that place.

Jeeze! Even I have a discord to matrix bridge and my entire community is like 20 people, I think 2 of us use matrix.

Never knew there is one. Where is I mentioned?
- In the sidebar.

You say that, but I see no evidence that Lemmy is a good place for privacy either, yet here you are. I know upvotes and down votes are public and I know that your post are freely shared and stored across the fediverse.
- I don't mean this in a sort of "gotcha" way, but why shouldn't those things be public on this sort of platform? That seems like the bare minimum for a community to prosper
  
  I don't mind if they are or aren't either way, but it doesn't make sense to tear down discord for essentially the same thing if you're ok with Lemmy doing it. Whether they should or shouldn't is another question. Also, it's possible for my upvotes and down votes to be collected but hidden much like it is on reddit.
- yeah no shit it is a public forum
- I'll take "what's a public forum" for 50!
- lemmy blahaj.zone seems to block downvotes or its something else that blocks it

@remindme@mstdn.social in 1 week

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It's a low-friction way to chat with other privacy-focused people. The alternative is something like Matrix which less people are going to use. That's the push and pull of trying to be 100% private vs. spreading privacy knowledge to more people.

guilded is better, right?

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