Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our unshittified experience

Pretty soon it'll want to use your idle cpu net and disk for undisclosed purposes as part of the EULA.

Ick

Pretty insightful, and quite possible as people are being trained on the “app experience” vs computing proper.

There is a special place in hell for you lol.

And call the script "Windows"

Na just throw ads into system logs. Or do what Ubuntu does and throw an advert every time you run apt upgrade.

Make it for Hannah Montana Linux plz!

Like this? What would an ENSH*TTIFIED Linux distro look like?

Thanks for putting this idea forward to the industry.

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EA games have done it already, since early 2000s. Practically any EA BIG game has in-game ads for real brands, all over the overworld billboards

NBA 2K has had ads in it for a while, though I can't remember if they're specifically in the loading screen or not.

you ever play a mobile game on an android phone?

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Just dont look at Ubisoft. 💀

Ad/promotion appeared in offline games whenever you opened the map...

Makes me wonder how many seconds till they realise the users won't be able to tell if the game is still loading or it's just monetised delay. Bonus points if a user finds out, lobbies to get it banned and then they just include bullshit extra processing to justify it.

The future looks so bright.

https://finalfantasyxv.fandom.com/wiki/Cup_Noodles

They also had a bunch of Coleman camping gear as a major feature of the game.

As ad placement went, I thought it was kinda charming and cute. More like a goofy Superbowl ad than an obnoxious "BUY ME NOW!!!" splash screen or pop-up insert. But I'm glad the latest FF7 Remakes didn't continue this trend.

"It's okay when we do it."

If its pre-installed, its typically called "Bloatware".

And I remember having bloatware on my machine going back to the 90s. The first really high quality gaming computer I got was a Sony Vaio and it had tons of bullshit excess software I had to mop out of it before I was ready to really use it.

Is it actually malicious, though? Ads by themselves aren't malicious.

It's not difficult. Corporations won't put up with this shit and MS knows it, so there are (almost) always documented registry entries or GPO policies you can set to disable this crap.

But you shouldn't fucking have to. Which is why I'm now on Tumbleweed instead of Windows for my daily driver.

Great question!

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Join us now and share the software,

You'll be freeee hackers, you'll be FreEEeeEeEeeee....

I love Linux as much as the next guy, but installing a new OS is not easier than downloading a single program and clicking check boxes. No need to be hyperbolic, Windows is bad enough as it is.

It boggles my mind how many Windows users refuse to switch to something else and insist on patching together Microsoft's intentionally broken excuse of an operating system...

Don't you have any news, and other suggestions on the taskbar, lock screen etc? Also, are you in the EU?

I think I finally found it. There aren't (officially) any ads in windows 11 yet, they just changed the wording of the toggle for the start menu to add ads as part of the toggle.

https://www.xda-developers.com/windows-11-start-menu-ads-avoid/

Same. I main a Manjaro mini-PC but have a separate Windows gaming rig. No ads. I did use a reg key to disable start menu web search a while back but otherwise haven’t made any system changes.

the more you use the native implementations of stuff, the more you see it. if you for example, dont use edge, dont use the native task bar/start bar, dont use the microsoft store, dont use any of the built in AI tools, then AD visibily would be minimal.

A good chuck of the Ad problems is usually fixed by using 3rd party software, be it completely switching OS, or using non native software.

its like trying to use old internet explorer and complaining about ads, when 3rd party alternatives exist, and of the subset who complains, a chunk refuse to get off IE, and look for ways to mod IE instead of just going 3rd party from the get go.

Same but I setup my install by pretending I'm from the UK and that's the only difference I can see

It's kind of embarrassing to see so many linux nerds talk about ads in Windows 11, like navigating the settings menu is difficult.

I use linux and Windows. I haven't seen an ad in windows since i installed and disabled them.

there are literally millions of people who don’t even know or care about knowing how to change desktop background

I'll cede "know", but I heavily dispute "care".

Plenty of Boomers are painfully aware of how awful the internet has become over the last decade. Hell, they got to experience it before the rest of us precisely because folks who never knew how to migrate off AOL or Yahoo got enshitified first.

My own mom hates using the computer in no small part because she takes too much of what she sees at face value and ends up with tons of spyware, bloat, and scams rampaging across her laptop. I have to clean it out for her every few months, and I'm constantly fighting with her over what's actually garbage and what she's convinced she needs.

But the end result is that she just... won't check her email because she hates it. She won't answer her phone because she's afraid of scam callers. She won't trust ANY website, so she doesn't use Amazon or Uber or Netflix.

It isn't that people like my mom don't care. They care immensely, because modern technology has become unusable for people like her.

It's not too bad. They probably wouldn't have Windows either if they had to set it up themselves. My dad has been using Ubuntu for years, but he doesn't know it. It's just a laptop that works as far as he's concerned.

I would argue there are facets to many people's life that they leave "at default" because they "don't care enough to fix it how they want".

Take random Linux User XYZ; They still have to nudge their front door to get it open after unlocking, because they're not a home improvement afficionado that wants to look up door repair videos on YouTube and attempt to put a stabilizer of some kind on the hinge. Or, they might accept the terrible interface in their car because they don't know of easy ways to get it replaced with something simpler. Or, they don't have their money invested anywhere because they don't like/trust researching investment tips.

For us, it's just that computers are something we'll always tune to our preference. For others, it's other things.

I just saw a post the other day from a guy who dumped fedora because it couldn't be installed with a Bluetooth mouse.

Allegedly the installer requires a mouse click, and he had no other pointing device. They also said the keyboard navigation was not helpful and was also unable to switch to a console to manually pair his mouse.

When it's against the law to not maximize profit for shareholders we get into some really disgusting territory when you can't innovate anymore and need to squeeze every dime out of everything.

What the hell is microsuck going to do in another 10 years? Infinite growth is more of a fantasy than working Communism yet we swear it will work somehow...

I think that it's one of the benefits of monopoly. People don't think "I wonder if I should start checking out alternatives?" but instead "Damn, that's annoying. I wonder if there's a way to fix this?" Alternatives never even enter their head. See, there's already a tool for the problem in the post!

Yeah that went out the window when American corpos found out during the pandemic they can literally just keep raising prices for shittier product and Americans just… keep buying it

Welcome to the end of human society, we’re just getting started. Should have chosen a birthdate a few decades earlier, too bad!

I think for many people, me included the OS is more or less invisible bc I use so few OS elements. File browser and that's it. Hardly any other gui feature comes to mind that isn't a third party program.

Putting up with the ads or putting up with the workarounds?

Since I've been running debloated windows since win 7 it has never bothered me to run a few scripts after install or use a modded iso. But if that wasn't an option I'm not sure if the last few games holding me to windows would be enough.

Man win11

I don’t think it comes with man pages.

EU gets Windows 11 'N'. It's gdpr compliantnane doesn't include the ads. I don't know about the telemetry though.

Maybe cuz it’s a Windows meme?

But totally also a Linux meme :) so maybe that was Nadella

It disables security features!

That was what I read.

I’ve read about that one

https://atlasos.net

Then there was a similar tool and some discussion about one or the other being either buggy or problematic?

Also - I remember NTlite or similar was out there and lots of talk of Chris Titus’ debloater - haven’t used any at least not in over 5 years

I hadn't heard of Atlas... Looks like it's a debloating tool? Does it work well?

Debian FTW

TIL you can view and reply to lemmy posts from mastodon

Yah, Ivory

DaVinci provides Linux binaries

Blender is low key the best video editor on Linux for future reference

While I agree with you that video editing under Linux is seriously lacking, I think that your conclusion

lonux is perfect for thw really basic user or for the hyper advanced superuser types

is not justified. There are not that many people who need to use a video editor.

Try DaVinci Resolve.
Also I don't know where you're getting you're piracy from because the only game I've ever found where a crack was confirmed not playing right in Wine was Codex's Denuvo Crack for Puyo Puyo Tetris 1

About the piracy part - try using Heroic or Lutris. Lutris has worked for me every single time without fail, but I did need to take some effort into understanding how wine/proton works on the surface level. Try using GE (glorious eggroll) versions of proton/wine too.

Did you try flatpak?

Skill issue + Ubuntu kinda sucks these days

Get a Steam Deck.

No seriously, Steam Decks run on an immutable Arch (edit: I thought my steam deck was a Ubuntu distribution until just now when someone corrected me, see how much of a fool I am and yet I still find my steam deck easy to use when I am exhausted and don’t want to troubleshoot/learn new shit!) distro of Linux. Immutable means every update addresses the core of the operating system in a way that you can’t fuck up anywhere as easily as a normal operating system.

The desktop UI is great, there is a flatpak App Store pre-installed, I mean you can search for Xonotic or any other utility you need and install it in 30 seconds flat. It is just a Linux desktop with decent presets.

The thing is the Steam Deck doesn’t boot to desktop, it boots to a big picture mode where the UI looks like a console. It is easy to browse your games and it feels like you are using a very focused, locked down device from the likes of Apple or Nintendo, not a full blown portable Ubuntu computer running a slick wrapper around one of the most extensible constructions of software ever made (no unfortunately the Steam Deck isn’t a LISP machine).

The clever bit though is that SteamOS (basically a Ubuntu distro) has Proton which is designed to emulate windows (closely related to the other windows emulator WINE). This allows you to play the vast majority of windows games on your Steam Deck and because the windows games are ran in a virtual environment…. when you press the power button to sleep your Steam Deck it just pauses that virtual environment which means that ALLL kinds of games old and new that were never designed to be abruptly paused and resumed end up with wayyyyyyy less issues on the Steam Deck than they would if you were running them in Windows natively and trying to do the same thing (with say a microsoft Surface or something).

I regularly play Steel Panthers WinspWW2 on my Steam Deck. I run it on dosbox which either comes preinstalled on the Steam Deck or is available on the “app store” I can’t remember (not really a store because no one is selling anything).

https://www.shrapnelgames.com/Camo_Workshop/WW2/WW2_page.html

^look how shit this website looks, this is an ANCIENT game running on DOS and it honestly barely runs on native windows anyways, you can’t full screen it without it crashing on windows.

All I had to do was add the launch file to steam and now I can open up my steam deck, scroll down to WinspWW2 and start playing the best turn based tactical strategy game ever made… on the go….. that came out in 1995 and has been updated continually since and is basically being kept functioning by an elaborate janky lifesupport system that most people with windows computers don’t even want to bother with because the experience of playing the game is too annoying….

It just runs on my Steam Deck tho!

The virtual dos environment lets me not have to worry if the game will crash when I pause and alt tab to a different program or abruptly put my device to sleep without giving the game time to save or something…. the Steam Deck just suspends the virtual environment and from the perspective of WinspWW2 no change needs to happen. The program just sits open and frozen waiting for me to press the power button on my Steam Deck and keep playing.

Not saying you have to do nerdy shit with your steam deck, what I am saying is that you can do whatever you want to with your steam deck and not have to worry that a company like Microsoft is going to take a dump on a nice thing you had worked out between you and your gaming setup.

Get the Steam Deck it is the best of both worlds, slick and polished when you want it to be, customizable and extensible when you need it to be.

I installed pop_os after Ubuntu murdered itself for undisclosed reasons, quite a nice experience and my setup is notorious for windows because of my mismatch of components. (10+ years of difference in components)

First, I'd take a look to see if there are any games you really want to play to make sure they're Linux compatible. ProtonDB is a great resource for this. The amount of games that work on Linux is actually pretty great, and the coverage is only increasing. That said, the biggest gap comes from games that require anti-cheat software, since that tends to require Windows. It sucks, since it's a one-sided decision from publishers, and there's not much to do besides keep Windows around, at least in a dual-boot. If you're mostly a single-player gamer, you're probably good to go. If you play AAA competitive multiplayer games, you're probably out of luck. Best to check before getting started.

Secondly, I'd take a look at Nobara. It's designed from the ground up to deliver what you want: a plug-and-play, out-of-the-box experience geared towards gaming. I can't speak from personal experience, but I've heard good things. I've also heard good things about Pop_OS, which I think makes gaming a priority, too. Linux Mint is also great for offering a smooth transition, but I'm just not sure if there are any hurdles for gaming specifically.

I'll also add that, while you might need to do some tinkering on Linux, even the regular distros don't actually have it that bad. For the most part, it's enabling an option on Steam, maybe downloading a package, maybe some settings here and there. Yeah, Windows still has it smoother, but it might be worth it to not have to fight Windows elsewhere, like with all the ads and privacy invasions. YMMV. For me, the juice is worth the squeeze, because the squeeze isn't actually that hard once you get a little know-how. :P

Also... you can dual boot. Say you need Windows for some games, or don't want to futz at all to get them running. You could do that to game or use whatever software only works with Windows, then reboot into Linux for more basic computing. Maybe it's not worth the hassle of rebooting for you, but it's yet another option if you don't want to compromise on gaming, but also don't want to deal with Windows the rest of the time.

I solved this by getting an Xbox. I start a game, and it works (as long as there's no mandatory updates...). No worrying about system specs, graphics drivers, or anything like that.

I was all about PC gaming in my teens and 20s. These days, I work all day and have much less free time, and want a gaming system that just works with minimal effort. Consoles handle that nicely.

Not BS but you're probably from EU. Microsoft cannot do this shit there.