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I stopped using Windows over a decade ago and Padme is right. My windows using friends are always mad about some change or another and I'm just chill as a cucumber.

I feel a sense of ownership over my OS. I tinker, I experiment, I break things and sometimes I fix them.
I still get mad, but it's our problem. We got here together and I know that we can do better.
Windows feels like renting. The landlord only shows up when I'm not ready, fixes stuff that wasn't broken, doesn't fix any of the things that I need fixed, keeps raising the rent and installing hidden cameras. If I want to fix anything, it costs way more, is way harder because the landlord won't tell me where anything is, gets un-fixed every time the landlord visits, and after all that it's just fixing someone else's house.
- I like that comparison a lot. Thanks for sharing.
- This is the first time I've ever wanted a reward system on any social media platform. Sure, I've used Steam rewards and such because they're there. I put emojis on chat messages, etc.
  
  ..but this comparison you made is pure gold.
- I have never heard a more apt description of Windows. You have a way with words.
In my last job I had colleagues using Windows, and they were super chill. When they turned on their computer in the morning, it took 20 minutes to boot, install the latest updates and log on. I had to start working right away, while they were having their third coffee and second cigarette, waiting for their computer to get ready. I'm sure it wasn't healthy, but relaxing.
- That sounds like poor IT policies to me. In previous office jobs I've had, our computers were configured with our working hours and we wouldn't shut them down at the end of the day, so that any updates could happen off the clock and minimize that sort of disruption.
- 😀
- did they ever start actually doing anything useful?
  
  between sharepoint and microflop dynamics-CRM, azure and windows (whatever the fuck version)
  and mother-fucking oracle, I can often go days after booting up before I can do anything useful.
  
  Sometimes I think the only people who can do any work are the procurement team and the only work they can do is issue MS purchase orders.

Actually you still absolutely do, since Microsoft has in the past, and probably still, actively sabotaged the ability to run other operating systems on gener computation devices.

Back in the 90s, before the DOJ v Microsoft antitrust trial, Microsoft's licensing terms with OEMs required them to pay MS for every unit sold — even units that did not come with Windows. This meant that if Dell or HP or whoever wanted to offer Linux as an option, they'd still need to pay Microsoft for Windows or else lose the ability to sell Windows at all. It made no sense to offer Linux PCs at that point.

Just one of many many examples of Microsoft's illegal anti-competitive behaviors.
- There's also the who ACPI debacle.
  
  http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/011607/3000/PX03020.pdf
- Groklaw still around? It has tons of anti trust details archived.

I used to be angry at Microsoft. Now I'm angry at Microsoft, Red Hat and Canonical.

Red Hat

No, you're angry at IBM. When news of the IBM acquisition broke, sector veteran colleagues I'm close with moaned and groaned that IBM was sure to do something to piss everyone off again, which was apparently their habit a couple decades back. Sure enough, they could not have been more accurate in their assessment.

Turns out IBM is three hot messes in a trenchcoat and always has been. Hence why they have already lost the Quantum wars and likely the GenAI wars as well. One AI vet I know says they're posed to even lose the AI war altogether, which is pathetic given the groundwork provided by Watson alone.
- Turns out IBM is three hot messes in a trenchcoat and always has been.
  
  International, business, and machines?
And amazon, apple, meta, nvidia, half the gaming industry, ...

I blame the Linux gatekeepers, keeping people on Windows. By pushing out misinformation to Linux newbies who ask a question online, and scaring them away.

There are no Linux gatekeepers. There are assholes everywhere, that's the human condition. I came across these assholes and I learnt that I should take advice and consider it myself.

If you close your brain and listen to random online people without thought, you'll have a bad time, Linux or no Linux.

This stereotype of people in Linux or open source as assholes is FUD spread by people who have a vested interest in spreading it.

I've found people mostly very helpful and courteous.
- idk I think that only the Chosen should be allowed to use Linux
Not only misinformation, but straight up condescending unhelpful answers, sometimes.
You're talking about Arch and Gentoo users, aren't you?

New user: which distro should I use?
Arch users: definitely Arch, it's so easy and stable!

Anti Commercial-AI license
- i mean tbh ive never had issues with arch i couldnt solve without a quick google(neither has a update ever broken anything) and manjaro sets everything up 4 u

This is the same with everything. Twitter, Google, Facebook, Netflix, Amazon, Apple etc. They all shit on their users, people complain but then they just accept it. As long as people just keep sucking it up they'll continue to do what they want.

Yeah it pisses me off the way people are like "tech bros ruined the internet". No, users ruined it! There was no reason to stop self-hosting webpages, forums and IRC servers. Users switched to Facebook instead because they preferred it and didn't care about the downsides. There's an alternative to every website and app which respects privacy, serves no ads, and has no algorithm to farm your outrage. Users refuse to use them because they aren't cool enough.
- Users switched to Facebook instead
  
  It's more like: those who couldn't be bothered to make and maintain their own site, went to normie platforms.
  
  You still have stuff like http://geekring.net/
- Yeah it pisses me off the way people are like “tech bros ruined the internet”. No, users ruined it! There was no reason to stop self-hosting webpages, forums and IRC servers. Users switched to Facebook instead because they preferred it and didn’t care about the downsides. There’s an alternative to every website and app which respects privacy, serves no ads, and has no algorithm to farm your outrage. Users refuse to use them because they aren’t cool enough.
  
  You got a point there, though I think it's users and corporations who both ruined it. And why ? Because users were not well informed and did choose for easy solutions without caring about privacy. At the last Tw(X)tter Exodus to Mastodon you could see several vocal new Mastodon users complain about not having a quote option. And probably several of them stopped using Mastodon for that. People have strong opinions and when they can choose to communicate with most of them friends with things like Facebook they go for that rather than having to spend time on exploring more privacy friendly options. And why ? Because there is so little time and because technology is scary for a lot of "normies". I believe that is the success of Apple : shiny looking white design and easy of use. No plug & pray but easy peasy communication. Never mind the high prizes and walled pay garden. Ease of use and design is top priority for some. Does it makes sense to re-educate people and inform them ? I believe yes, but only if they are interested and have some spare time.
Yes :( Self inclined vendor lock-in (tm). I hope for more new Linux users (unless it does not fit their use case very well) who are willing to learn and spread the word!
- Linux mint and Fedora 40 user here!
  
  I am still trying linux out, so far, everything is great! I mostly just use my PC for web surfing and games though,
Yep. Change requires actual change.

And it also generally requires more energy than working with the current system, unless and until it becomes the default.

You want free-range grass-fed beef that is slaughtered with reasonably low suffering? Pay more for that, until it becomes the system.

You want an operating system that isn't screwing you over at every opportunity? Use a Linux distro, and pay for ease or pay with learning how to make it do the things you think I should.

I'm happily using Linux as my daily driver, and have been for ages. I've gotten over the need to tinker as much - I just use it, report bugs when they matter to me, and live life.

the worse windows gets, the funnier it is to me

I don't care what Microsoft does any more it's their OS. What really grinds my gears is the fact that people are so complacent and just down right fuckin submissive to a corporate entity

I'm a sub
- So am I but windows isn’t a good domme
I used to be cynical about the findom stuff, but I guess some people really get off on being forced to subscribe to their own machine.
It's the support angle, for me. I seriously don't have to worry at all whether a piece of software supports Windows or not. And in my special case, my school doesn't help with troubleshooting unless you're using Windows or Mac because "of the many variations of Linux," they said.

But that's kinda typical of everything, how's tech support going to help you troubleshoot something that has a million variables? I can fix things, but can the typical user? Definitely not.

I use Mac OSX btw...

😁

osx is the unix equivalent of a tip terminal at a restaurant
- Sick burns.

It's more complicated than anger for me. There's the disappointment that they've sunk so far, worry that other programs that I use could follow, but also some relief that I switched when I did.

Now I use linux and I'm still mad at what microsoft is doing!

I feel bad for the people who still use windows

Really. I've been watching the shitshow in windows and apple get worse and worse, and am glad for the availability of Linux.
I feel bad for people that even spend one moment thinking about what operating system someone else prefers
- Does anyone genuinely prefer Windows for a reason that makes sense? Or are they just a captive audience?
- This is same as feeling bad for people who think others shouldn't be getting caught in MLM schemes.

I don’t use Windows at home but I still have to deal with it and their ‘features’ when I work with my spouse’s desktop and at my workplace. God I hate it.

I have it at work, it makesme feel young again, feeling the OS speed like in the year 2000.

Half the time I have the circle of waiting, and right clicks can take up to 40 seconds before it shows the contextual menu, like wtf.

merely slightly less angry

This made me laugh so hard I down voted five times before I could hit the up vote button

This reminds me of a college rivalry. People from College A (mine) hated College B. People from College B didn't care at all.

Now that I use Linux I'm often angry about what I'm doing to my own system.

Yeah But if it's gonna get messed up I wanna at least do it myself lol
- Same.

I'll get angry again if the ads show up in business licensed copies of Windows since I have to use Windows at work. And at least work won't make me upgrade from 10 until 2025

As far as I can tell nothing has actually changed. The "recommended" is the same shit as it's always been, and windows 10 already has that.

Linux is really just the kernel the OS runs on. What people dislike are some of the stupid choices a distribution's maintainers make. Like, Ubuntu used to be a great entry-level operating system for people who wanted to get into Linux but didn't want to ditch all the things they understood from Windows or MacOS. It provided a level of comfort and ease of use. Which is great, and something the Linux community needs. But then Canonical started injecting snap package bloatware with everything and it's just a mess. You have as little control over snap updates as you do Windows updates unless you completely disable the service, which is hardly trivial for a new user.

I've been running Kubuntu for years now; it's convenient to use for me for professional reasons, but I've never used to snap to get new software. I've never disabled the the service. Are there flavors of 'Buntu that are "unsnapped", if you will? I know I should just search for it, but I thought I'd just ask.
unless you completely disable [snap updates], which is hardly trivial for a new user

Tbh it probably shouldn’t be trivial for new users to disable updates. I’ve seen way too many Windows/macOS users running a years out-of-date version of Chrome.
- In Linux you have to do sudo systemctl disable snapd, which produces a warning about snapd.socket. New users sometimes get a little freaked out about disabling stuff in systemd, especially after they find out what systemd is and does and how important it is. They're afraid of bricking their installation and you have to be like "no, that won't happen. Yes, I'm sure it won't happen. No, you don't need to reboot. Just replace disable with stop in those commands again and it won't run anymore. Yes, I'm sure it'll be fine." So the commands are trivial, but the psychological toll of doing stuff via the command line that you perceive as dangerous, for truly novice Linux users, isn't to be underestimated.

I don't hate ms bullshit anymore, people are free to use anything else. Now, i am just glad that the average consumer software is garbage, and we can look like wizards and get some cash when we automate lengthy processes for corpos that got used to the inefficiency.

Woe is me, I can't install other operating systems on my work computer. I'm being paid for every hour Microsoft bugs me or refuses to do what I want it though so, oh well. More time to shitpost and vent on Lemmy!

Is it me, or does this format not make sense for this meme?

Yeah because I'm angry at Windows for some of the dumbest shit it's done for a while now.

And I'm still angry whenever I'm on Linux because it's progress is taking too long for it to be embraced more comfortably when it comes to compatibility. I'd like for more things and development to work with even the most known Linux OSes. Just pick 5 of the best Linux OSes out there and develop for them. It worked for Ubuntu for awhile until that randomly got dropped by some manufacturers.

Until then I'm just angry to be on Linux because I know I can't 100% run everything I want to on it as I did Windows.

ok now listen 😂 the path to maximum joy is twofold:

make sure you're very happy
make sure to be informed about others unhappiness and ridicule it this is another offset that must be maximized

Am I the only one that doesn't mind? It's an OS and we all have free will. I have both and enjoy using both OS. Maybe because I'm 38?

The problem I have is normalization. People complained about micro-monetization in video games, but that was normalized. People complained about corporate interest in open source, but that's normalized. Now people are complaining about your operating system advertising to you against your will, it will be normal soon.
- Tbh, I'm fine with cosmetic-only microtransactions, so long as they're not pumped at you all the time.
  
  Edit: in an otherwise free-to-play game. Fuck micros in paid games.
I'd debate the free will part.
- What's your angle? Let's argue.
I complained that Microsoft was doing that and this and made it difficult for me to change x.

Then in Linux I changed x and broke my system and complained about how I fucked up.

So well one has advantages over the other in some aspects and in others the other one is better.

I personally don't like windows because of the ads, weird settings, and the spying software. My whole experience is not that great on windows. And I love tinkering in Linux.

So what's the statement here? As long as it doesn't affect you, you shouldn't care about how it affects others? That's kind of a shitty way of thinking.

It's a joke dude
In a sense I wouldn't berate coworkers and family for smoking and drinking stating facts about the detriment to their health every chance I get. I'd lend a hand when they need me the most, when they've looked in the mirror long enough, when they are looking for change.

It's a fact I've come to realize some people don't want to change others have a limit they reach before they can change. If your always there to help when they need it, the outcome will almost always be better.

I don't like being told what's best for me or what I should be doing as much as the next guy so I don't really bring it up unless they ask.
I don't think that's the statement. I think it's that they were hoping that they could ignore it but weren't about to.