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Lockdowns during covid kinda did this and the extroverts went crazy.

It drove my coworkers up the wall to hear that my wife, kids, and I were totally cool with being locked down together. And I had been working from home for years before the pandemic. I think they chafed at being locked down and the notion of anyone being okay with it was unfathomable to them.
All these return to work policies.

Introvert doesn't mean shy or socially anxious. I regularly tell people to shut the fuck up if they're in my space being annoying.

Exactly this, my dad’s an introvert but is the most charismatic person I know. He does great with people, but is the last to arrive and the first to leave since he finds it so draining. He “recharges” when he’s by himself.
- That's kinda what I do too. I acknowledge it as an effort that needs to be managed and have strategies to recharge afterwards.
  
  I don't hate being around people but it does take a lot of energy.
- I'm the opposite. I'm an extrovert but really shy.
- Oh, does that make him MajorEffort? Or GeneralEffort?
I did that for a while, but got shit for it everytime and just stopped going out because it wasn't worth the hassle.

Society in general encourages and rewards those who speak more, even if the things they speak have zero contribution or are absolute nonsense.

Sounds like a company meeting
- Or corporate performance evaluation
Society in general encourages and rewards those who speak more

Squeaky Wheel, etc.

But only if you're older, whiter, taller, and maler.

Society (at least, my corner of the American Southwest) hates hearing a short young brown woman open her mouth.
Sounds like the Internet

Extrovert here.
People do. Constantly. It's a normal thing. If you're hanging out with people who refuse to shut up and let you be comfortable for a while the problem isn't that they're extroverts. The problem is that they're assholes. Unfortunately the two can look similar on account of assholes having less boundaries making them appear to be more extroverted when in reality they're just less respectful.

Does anyone else think extroverts are being incredibly fragile when they post about how they "can't" go to the movies or a restaurant alone?

I remember during Covid lock downs extroverts were loosing their minds and blaming their extrovertism for their cabin fever.

First of all, true isolation is unhealthy and crazy inducing for everyone, that's why they still use solitary confinement in prisons for further punishment, so no, extroverts, you're not special for feeling depressed during a global pandemic. (but yes, it did suck extra for them)

But so many extroverts seemed to assume lock downs were an introverts wet dream. There was very little attempt to understand each other. I'd see introverts empathising with extroverts who were struggling, but the reverse rarely happened, extroverts just seemed to assume "you introverts must be loving this solitude" and when myself and others tried to open up about how we were struggling I would hear "yeah but you like being alone, you're used to it" like that makes it easier.

At no point did I really see any of the extroverts I know, or anyone online posting about how "wow, being pushed this far out of my comfort zone by lockdowns sucks, is this how introverts feel when I force them to actively engage in crowded, highly social parties?"

Not that I expect the middle of a planet wide plague to be the time I'd suddenly expect people to show self reflection and emotional maturity, but it was still worth the observation.
- I liked the lockdown. It was nice not to need to find excuses not to come to any social gatherings and the mask mandates made it so I didnt have to smell anyone the few times I had to go out
I don't. I generally dislike eating out or going to movies or events alone. I'm also generally very introverted but I happen to dislike going out and doing stuff by myself.

One big part is that I can chat if I eat with someone but if I eat by myself I'm understimulated. And if I already sit there and look at my smartphone while eating I can as well just pick up something from the bakery around the corner and eat it while looking at my computer screen.

I hate all this extrovert VS introvert stuff, one side seen as vapid, gibbering apes and the other seen as loner shut-ins. It's exhausting, especially since most people don't fall squarely into one camp or the other.

There's plenty of introverted people who love to talk and go out with people, they just need some time between outings to wind down and gear up and to know there's someone around that will share their interests. Likewise, there are shy extroverts who thrive more in online spaces where they can easily manage their interactions with others and have time to think about their responses. In either case, being an asshole is not part of it.

I honestly don't even hear anyone complaining about introverts. All I hear is socially anxious people or misanthropes complaining about other people talking, and confusing that with introversion.
The only meaningful use of the introvert/extrovert dichotomy in my experience is just that extroverts charge their batteries in social situations, introverts drain their batteries and need time to recharge. Knowing this is useful, but says absolutely nothing about social or conversational skills, charm, interests, etc - even if it might be easier to develop social strategies if you are extroverted. But there's certainly a lot of charmless extroverts around as well.
- The only meaningful use of the introvert/extrovert dichotomy in my experience is just that extroverts charge their batteries in social situations,
  
  It makes a bit more sense than the original reinterpretation but in the original Jungian sense, the dichotomy is very simple and also precise: Whether a function (some hardware in your mind) concerns itself with subjective (introverted) or objective (extraverted) data, whether it looks at the inside or outside. And yes it's extra, not extro.
  
  The actual difference between people with dominant introverted vs. extraverted function is experience-then-learn vs. learn-then-experience. To draw a caricature: You won't get an extravert to calculate a ball's velocity before they've kicked it, and you won't get an introvert to kick a ball before they've calculated what will happen. Likewise, plenty of extraverts out there all alone, climbing a mountain or something, and introverts at busy chess tournaments: It's not about sociability.
  
  Other psychologists then took the terms and tacked them onto their own theories, which is where the popular drive-centric understanding is coming from. In particular from Eysenk I think.
It's also interesting to note that even though introversion and extroversion is often seen as "one gains energy by being alone, the other gains energy by socializing," it's actually more complicated than that. It's got more to do with how your brain processes pleasure and reward. I'm not gonna pretend to fully understand, I'm not a professional, only repeating what they've told me, but there's a lot of times extroverts are actually more drained by social interaction because they're more mentally present in it than introverts are. As a result of that misunderstanding, a lot of people who are actually extroverts think that they're introverts.
Personally, I consider myself an extrovert, but things like drama and people being rude are so draining on me that when it happens I often need to immediately remove myself from the situation to recharge, and then I usually don't end up coming back until at least the next day.
Yeah I’m a shy extrovert. It took me a long time to learn that because until my mid 20s I felt like I was intruding by existing in public spaces. I still have to remind myself that I’m completely allowed to go to things open to the public and that the organizers/proprietors actually prefer I do.

My wife is an introvert. I welcome her to attend most things I go to, but I understand she’s got the energy to go to maybe half of it. That’s ok, and she actually appreciates my extroversion.

I feel this so much. My boss talks nonstop from the minute he walks in the door until the end of the day and then asks me why I'm so quiet. At least I have headphones or I'd go crazy.

and then asks me why I'm so quiet.

"You said everything already."

I actually had another adult clap her hands in front of my face, to interrupt me, after asking me a question, because she wanted to interject something she had supposedly forgotten to say to me. Being an introvert, I immediately stopped talking, and waited for her to provide an explanation for clapping in my face. I guess extroverts just have a different way of communicating than I do.

That seems less like being an extrovert and more like being an asshole :/
- Yeah that's just a run of the mill cunt.

I just came in here to say that the 2000s version of Pingu sucked ass and they could have found someone better than whoever they did to do Pingu's voice properly.

Thank you.

The fact that he has a voice outside of the trumpeting 'whaap whaap' sound is sacrilege
- Correct, but he famously says "noot noot".
NOOOT NOOOT

Of course they do. About 8 hours per day extroverts are forced to shut up and not bother any introverts. It's torture for them!

Allegedly. Extroverts need lots of attention, so skimping on sleep IS an option.
- I bet there are even people in their dreams, those monsters!

Ever been to a library?

no one forces extroverts to shut up

Lies. Damned lies. And whatever this meme shit is.

Bro if you're getting out of your comfort zone why should the zone be comfortable

Why wouldn't you want everyone around you to be at least moderately comfortable? Is it really that hard to just shut up and let someone be for a few minutes? I don't mind socializing but sometimes I just wanna wander off on my own for a few minutes to recharge. Is that really so much to ask? Then people take it personally when I politely ask them to give me a few minutes as if I'm being rude.
- Because comfort is not a concern when getting out of your comfort zone
- Why wouldn’t you want everyone around you to be at least moderately comfortable?
  
  Depends on the circumstance.
  
  I'll happily put a vegan option on the menu, but I wouldn't turn down music at a club because complained it was too loud.
They're saying why are they the only ones getting dragged out of the comfort zone.

You guys seem to do it a lot online.

Because that's the only place we can get a word in edgewise
- Skill issue

It's because human beings are by nature social creatures, it's harmful to be alone all the time

Different people require and prefer different amounts and types of socializing. It's harmful and presumptuous to force your own needs and preferences on other people.
You're' confusing introvert with sociophobic or smth.

The extroverts mean well. They’re trying to help. They just struggle with critical thinking. We have to indulge them from time to time.

They struggle with empathy. They have no idea how to put themselves in the shoes of others. It isn't a critical thinking ability, it's pathos.
- Massive generalisation. My brother is an extrovert and he absolutely does know how to put others before himself.
  
  Not all introverts and extroverts will to fall to another same set of rules outside their already agreed definition. Stop trying to look for something else
No they aren't, they are trying to get everyone else to conform to their preferences by forcing others to act extroverted instead of letting people be quiet in their proximity.