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  • It doesn't. I don't think about it at all, honestly. Faith doesn't play a role in my life.

    • If anything, I feel it gives clarity to be aware that there's no higher being, and secure app inherent meaning or purpose with life.

      Shit happens for no particular reason, and not because of fate or karma or whatnot.

      Good stuff happens because of skill, hard work, and fortunate circumstances.

      Actions have consequences. Not understanding this, or blaming some religious aspect, is stupid.

  • I can’t imagine going through life thinking that everything I love and/or desire will send me to hell or whatever. Imagine living in fear because you think someone is watching and judging you. No thanks.

    I don’t see any advantage to having any kind of religious faith. Seems like it just limits your options and gives you nothing in return.

  • Spoiler alert: most people don't really have faith, especially the ones screaming at you loudly how much they have it.

    When you realize that, you'll see that people are a lot more similar across all religions - authentic/thinking people from any background at all on one side, vs. those who merely "inherit" their beliefs without every really challenging them at all on the other.

    Right now there are many people leaving a religion and going to atheism so much like lemmy/kbin it has that "early-generation" ring to it, but give it a few hundred years and dumb people who inherit it will just as dumbly smash others over the head with that non-religion as people have for countless millennia with past religions.

    My advice: KEEP QUESTIONING! If you happened to come from a Christian or Muslim background, there is 1 Thessalonians 5:21 that literally commands that, therefore asking questions is in no way contradictory to whatever "faith" means - and anyway how could someone have that if they did not even know what it meant?

    • I agree, I think that a lot of people who are raised that way are afraid to question. Hell is a pretty terrifying consequence for those who believe there's even a possibility that it's true. So I think a lot of them are trying to go through the motions just to rest assured that if they call themselves Christians and followed certain rituals that they're safe.

      Deciding I didn't believe in hell was the first step and the rest of my faith quickly unraveled after that.

      • What's really weird - and I hope you take some comfort in this rather than be offended - is that you stand with Jesus in thinking that. I know, extremely ironic right?! :-P

        "Do not heap heavy burdens upon others without offering to lift a finger to help them...", "Pay the worker their due wages, immediately not waiting until some other day...", "Consider the poor and alien among you as one of your own...", a lot of Christians would be shocked, Shocked I tell you, SHOCKED (well, they shouldn't be all that shocked) to find out what lays hidden in that B-I-B-L-E that so many claim to cherish.

        Like somehow the church-going, cis-het family-man with 2.3 kids and a picket fence Obama is the Spawn of Satan while the oh-so-pious Donald tRump who shits on gold toilets and doesn't even drive his own car in NYC but instead flies above the common man on a heli is "God's Man", as well as a "true man of the people", "he gets us"? (to be clear: by "us" I mean "them") Uh... nope. The Bible has a few things to say about False Doctrine as well... flee from it!

        So like, even if you believed in hell, and in fact all the more so if you do, then that's all the more reason to not be a bigoted asshole, not less!

        Jesus was okay with honest sinners - but the ones he HATED the most (in fact, the ONLY ones He hated), with an absolute PASSION even, where the Karens of His day, aka the "super-Christians" of the time, loudmouthed bigots who literally killed Him b/c he kept trying to like feed the poor and shit, claiming that they were just as good as the Religious Leaders (and in fact way better).

      • There is some sunk costs fallicy involved here, with people being terrified of having wasted part their life in addition to wanting to stay out of Hell.

  • Be aware that most of what you see as happiness and comfort is actually just performative - they see that everyone around them is “happy” and their minister tells them if they follow the rules they will be happy. So they don’t want anyone to know how imperfect their lives are, so they pretend they are happy, and say all the right words and jump through all the right hoops.

    Then you dig deeper and find that all their kids had kids out of wedlock, one is being abused by their spouse and is cheating on them, one disavowed any responsibility for their second kid they had with a second person who they weren’t married to…

    You get the idea.

    It isn’t all a front. The truth is that some religious communities do provide community to people who otherwise would be alone. But they are just groups of people with a shared hobby, not some kind of magic.

    • I grew up in a superficially religious household. This is spot on… it wasn’t a bad childhood by any means but soooo many things that deserved critical thinking or just accepting the pain of the situation were handed over to The Almighty. There are probably some decent coping skills buried in that level of faith but I don’t personally think it’s worth the cost.

  • I feel like, at their core, most religions boil down to two things, for most people:

    • Giving you purpose/security/scapegoats ("I'm living a good life so I can go to heaven," "the Lord has a plan/is watching over me," "Satan/sinners/demons tempted me")
    • Dissuading you from inquisitive, critical thought (out of self-preservation, I'd imagine)

    Personally, I prefer to define my own purpose, live a more "dynamic" lifestyle than is traditional, think critically, and question authority. Doesn't make me "better" than religious folks, in fact they're probably overall happier than I am. But I can't imagine living that way, regardless of whether or not I believe in a magical sky Santa who can't decide whether he loves us unconditionally or whether or not he's actually omnipotent.

    • There's that, but also along with it comes an enormous sense of community. It's a lot easier to find friendship and companionship when you're in a group dedicated to a purpose that meets regularly, and it's a very attractive concept and feeling, even if people don't realize it.

  • I think you’re actually looking for a different question to ask - “what do people with faith have that I currently do not?”

    For me, personally, I found it to be a sense of purpose. In reality, life has no inherent meaning; we reproduce and hope to pass on our genes before we die. That is the one common denominator across all life on Earth. Faith tends to be an easy answer for giving purpose because you now live for God/Jesus/Yahweh/Allah/etc, and have guidelines for what one should strive to have in life. It’s an easy way to avoid having to face such a thing and I honestly don’t blame people for it - take away all the human elements of it and life is just hard, boring, and meaningless. Faith gives an answer for everything and provides a guide on how one should life live, for better or worse.

    However, there’s an upside I don’t think people realize in realizing that life has no inherent meaning: you get to decide what is meaningful in your life. You get to choose the people who you want to care about in your life, what you want to aspire to be, what you think is worth living for… you get to find and create your own purpose, rather than an external influence telling you how to do so. It’s not easy doing that, and it will be a struggle… but if you’re struggling towards something more in life, whatever that may be… then that’s a beautiful thing to strive towards.

  • It can be a touch alienating; there's a swath of rituals you're now not a part of, either because you're actively excluded or because you just no longer fit there (talking about church events and the like).

    Conversations change just a little bit too--in the same way monotheists look at polytheists funny when they invoke more than one god, atheists wind up looking at any theist in the same fashion. By that token, when people realize you're atheist, they look at you as a bit damaged--my bestie's cousin blurted out "tf is wrong with you?" when I admitted I was atheist, for instance. In the US it only takes a look at some states' laws on eligibility for public office to see that for some, the only thing worse than having a different faith is having none at all.

    It can also be kind of disorienting; you spend quite a bit of time recalibrating your moral framework--what you consider right/wrong and why you take those positions. In this regard, it can be a bit draining too, dedicating so much of the processor sitting on your neck to a kind of reconfiguration.

    Lastly and perhaps the worst drawback is how limiting it can feel: when there's no longer a higher power to feel guarded by, you're left with the realization that there's just your own little mortal self and it's depressing lack of influence.


    But ultimately, I've found it kind of rewarding: ditching the need for a creator figure (and later, the concept of an afterlife altogether) has freed me of that dissonance that occurs when injustices or random tragedies occur. When you no longer lean on the idea that there must be an inherently just or attentive higher power, those bad things become a little less nerve-wracking.

    And while I lose a some rituals and venues through which to connect with others, it's a drop in the ocean compared to what's still out there.

    And that powerlessness we're left behind with eases when we recognize there's other kinds of power that come through community (nebulous as that concept feels right now).

  • Most of us have a faith, for many that faith is not in any hokey old religion but in the things we have come to trust.
    Can one have 'faith' that science is the correct path? I think so, I wouldn't call it faith like believing your actions are controlled by a magic ghost but I think it could still fit the word be believing in the ability of something to persevere even if it isn't immediately successful.
    To show a quotation from an old TV show might highlight my point, "

    OLD MAN 1: So much for your tolerant open-minded Starfleet ideals.
    JANEWAY: There's a difference between respecting the spiritual beliefs of other cultures and embracing them myself.
    OLD MAN 1: Fine. Don't embrace a thing. It's all the same to us. Go on back to your ship and play with your molecular microscanner.
    OLD WOMAN: You've tried all that already, but it didn't work, did it. Kes didn't get better.
    JANEWAY: No, she didn't.
    OLD WOMAN: Why not?
    JANEWAY: The Doctor couldn't explain it.
    OLD WOMAN: So it's inexplicable. A miraculous non-recovery.
    JANEWAY: We haven't found the reason yet.
    OLD WOMAN: But of course you will. You'll find all the answers eventually, with enough time and study, and the right sort of tools. That's what you believe isn't it as a scientist?
    OLD MAN 1: Be honest.
    JANEWAY: Yes, that's what I've always believed.
    OLD MAN 2: Even when her science fails right before her eyes she still has full confidence in it. Now there's a leap of faith.
    OLD WOMAN: Unconditional trust. Now that's promising.
    "

  • IDGAF. Seriously, the only time I even talk about religion is when I'm super high and one of my christian friends wants to annoy me. But it's all in good spirits, we have friendly arguments. I never really feel like I lack anything just because I don't have a faith. It might be because I never really had it in the first place. I grew up in a household where no one really cared about these things. My parents are Hindu, but when I told them (around the age 9-10) that I can't believe in this stuff, they were fine with it. Unlike many in the comments, I've never really met anyone who was directly hostile/weird towards me just because I'm an atheist.

  • so etymologically speaking, faith doesnt come from any religious source. It's just a word that's meant trust, belief, loyalty.

  • the only consequence in my life to not following religion is my religious friends and family, including my biological parents, disowning and cutting me out of their lives as quickly as they could.

    But as a result, after years of healing, I am able to love my most wonderful partner, work at an amazing lgbt nightclub, and I dont have to spend an hour pretending I can commune with some otherworldly being.

    Not having religion freed me from gender expectations, so I can live my life being a person instead of having to uphold toxic masculine character traits.

    The caliber of people I meet are higher, as they are also folks going against the grain that is so heavily inscribed into the culture of the States. They tend to be better educated, and thus more capable of making decisions based in critical thinking rather than conspiracies or unbased "faith"

    Overall, all that matters in this cruel world are the connections we make and the experiences we have. I simply prefer the connections and experiences that religion pretends are immoral.

  • I put my faith in myself and those who have proven they are worthy of me putting it in them as well.. Faith in anyone is a risk, faith in anything is a risk. I don't believe in a higher power, though I did once.

  • Most people with faith don't think about their faith most of the time. Atleast this is the case with the people I know.

  • This is a very open-ended question. I think most people view faith as a spiritual thing. Having faith in a god or gods, but if you believe in something strongly enough, it’s possible you have faith in that.

    Gravity is kind of a stupid example, I’m going to use it anyway. If you have faith in the laws of gravity that means you genuinely believe and respect the laws of gravity.

  • I am a Christian, and was raised that way. I'm going to be thorough in my explanation, since the quality of the other answers aren't all that great, and hopefully at least something here will answer your question.

    I attend church on Sundays and listen to a pastor talk about the bible and how to improve myself morally. This is a hit or miss, as far as both helpfulness and enjoyment goes. Every week, I go to "life group", which involves discussing the bible, and hanging out with, a small group of friends. I've gotten to know them well over time and I always enjoy meeting. I try to have a personal quiet time each morning where I read the bible and pray a bit, it's relaxing.

    Generally, a faithful Christian will tell you that the Holy Spirit makes them want to do good things. Typically, when someone gets "saved", they suddenly have a much easier time being kind and loving others.

    The goal of Christianity, as far as I am concerned, is primarily to convert others and to grow my own faith/virtues. I want to form strong relationships with fellow christians so that we can encourage each other to do good things and discourage bad things. I want to form strong relationships with non-christians because I [1] genuinely care about them (see: holy spirit) and [2] to convert them.

    The act of being and becoming a Christian is supposed to be entirely voluntary. I do not feel as though I am a slave to some rulebook. I chose my own beliefs, and it is easy for me to follow the moral principles which I think are right. I hold some beliefs which are counter to what most other christians believe, but I have received minimal pushback for these beliefs from the community I have chosen. (pro-lgbt, sex-positive, annihilationism).

    I choose to surround myself with a community of other christians which I can always rely on. It is pretty easy to make friends in the churches which I have attended. I'm in college, and it was easy for me to get multiple strong friend groups just by joining organizations at my school.

    Hope you have a wonderful day. If you want to ask more questions you are welcome.

  • It's kind of hard for me to describe since it's just normal for me. I guess think about all the times you're not actively thinking about what God thinks about this or that, or you're not actively talking to him, or whatever, and then just imagine that expanding to fill all your time.

  • As someone who left religion, but has a pretty good memory of what it was like, didn't really make any big difference in my life, other than getting my Sundays actually free.

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