Return to monkey then?

well yeah, capitalism was a step up from feudalism and so on.

As satisfying as that would be parabley speaking, it'd also ruin our ability to organize commerce and infrastructure at a grander scale than a single region that happens to have a good breadbasket to get the beer crop from.

That's because they're not capable of doing those things, of the animals you listed, I could absolutely see them doing those things if they had the intelligence and capabilities to do so.

Especially Orcas, what you listed would be an easy day for them, they're a bit of an asshole.

Most animals on this planet will do whatever it takes for their next meal that their capabilities will allow for because that's the only way to survive in the wild.

Yeah its become so innocuos and default i forgot

But not my blood and that's the real difference

Not me. Just sweat and tears. I leave the bloodwork for those with the stomach

Don't say that too loud

Wholeheartedly agree. The only thing I'd add is that I think it's in theoretical discussions that we underestimate how much a wild animal's life sucks shit. In the US at least there's enough forest that if a person wanted to get lost and be totally self-reliant they could take an honest shot at it. I think each of us has had that thought deep down in our secret hearts and, when we do, in that particular moment we make a very frank, honest and accurate estimate about how much fun it would be dying of an infection while lying face down in the cold muck. And this coming from a person who prides himself on being "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short."

Your cat ought to work a little less.

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Adam Smith was much more critical of capitalism than he is given credit for. For example, Adam Smith was critical of rent seeking and landlords. It would be somewhat accurate to replace Orangutan with Adam Smith in this meme.

Our economy is an abstraction of nature.

Its several layers deep in abstractions, which leads to some serious contradictions and faulty logic chains. Climate Change is probably the most current and obvious example, but we've got a host of instances in which we misappropriate or squander natural resources in a way an orangutan could not or would not. From the volume of trash production to the concept of financializing capital construction, we generate enormous amounts of excess capacity and waste very rapidly and then simply displace it onto distant habitats in order to keep it out of sight and mind.

When we talk about a distinction between natural and human activities, a lot of what we're describing is the artificially rapid pacing and the subsequent over-consumption of our behaviors. No orangutan could deliberately accrue the kind of ecological debts that a human child incurs without even thinking.