Russian State TV Wants Moscow to Conquer Three US States
Russian State TV Wants Moscow to Conquer Three US States
Political scientist Sergey Mikheyev also suggested annexing two NATO member nations in Europe.
In a recent appearance on Russia's state-run television, Russian political scientist Sergey Mikheyev suggested that the country's "empire" should grow to encompass three American states.
"I want the Russian empire with Alaska, Hawaii, California, Finland, and Poland," he said, as translated by Gerashchenko for the clip he shared. "Although Poland and Finland are so stinky, I'm not sure, to be honest. We'll clean them."
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"I want the Russian empire with Alaska, Hawaii, California, Finland, and Poland," he said, as translated by Gerashchenko for the clip he shared. "Although Poland and Finland are so stinky, I'm not sure, to be honest. We'll clean them."
This guy sounds exactly like Donald Trump.
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The orange menace would be only too happy to oblige Putin's every whim, after all, he is one of Trump's main dictator heroes.
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If you say so, then Trump is USSA's Putin.
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Lets say Russia magically is able to land on US soil completely intact after passing through the US Navy infested waters of the Atlantic or the Pacific. Lets just assume they can so we can continue this crazy thought experiment.
To take territory you need boots on the ground, troops, tanks, APCs, etc. These are transported by troop transport aircraft and large ships that are naval landing craft. For Russia that would be the Ropucha-class. Each of these ships can carry about 10 tanks and about 310 troops (per ship).
So how many of these ship does Russia have? Hundreds, right? Nope: 11. Thats it. So assuming a full load of every ship thats about 110 tanks and about 3500ish troops. And all of that assumes all 11 ships will make it alive to US soil.
This is just how crazy this Russian claim of taking US States is.
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It's not supposed to make sense, it's supposed to make actual Kremlin policy seem sane and moderate to the domestic audience.
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They wouldn't need magic. They'd just need a hamburder puppet President in office.
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*hamberder. You give him too much credit.
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You forget that Alaska is like 2 miles from Russia
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Well, there's a remote island that belongs to Alaska that's about two miles away from a remote island that belongs to Russia. You can swim across that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diomede_Islands
I mean, I'm sure that Russia can get forces across that. They've got a military base on their little island, and we've got a small Native American village on our little island.
But then you've planted some number of forces on a strategically-irrelevant island in the Pacific. You've blown your largest advantage, surprise, and you've dumped however many people there, with a supply line that dictates that you need to support them by having ships sail up, while you just kicked off a war with a country with a much larger navy and air force.
And it's not much of a springboard to a beachhead that you can use for land-based logistics, because there's no infrastructure up there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_Strait_crossing
The Russian side of the strait, in particular, is severely lacking in infrastructure. No railways exist for over 2,800 kilometers (1,700 mi) in any direction from the strait.[24]
The nearest major connecting highway is the M56 Kolyma Highway, which is currently unpaved and around 2,000 kilometers (1,200 mi) from the strait.[25] However, by 2042, the Anadyr Highway is expected to be completed connecting Ola and Anadyr, which is only about 600 kilometers (370 mi) from the strait.[26]
On the U.S. side, an estimated 1,200 kilometers (750 mi) of highways or railroads would have to be built around Norton Sound, through a pass along the Unalakleet River, and along the Yukon River to connect to Manley Hot Springs Road – in other words, a route similar to that of the Iditarod Trail Race. A project to connect Nome, 100 miles (160 km) from the strait, to the rest of Alaska by a paved highway (part of Alaska Route 2) has been proposed by the Alaskan state government, although the very high cost ($2.3 to $2.7 billion, about $5 million per mile, or $3 million per kilometer) has so far prevented construction.[27]
In 2016, the Alaskan road network was extended westwards by 50 miles (80 km) to Tanana, 460 miles (740 km) from the strait, by building a fairly simple road. The Alaska Department of Transportation & Public Facilities project was supported by local indigenous groups such as the Tanana Tribal Council.[28]
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Bruh there's so many gun nuts in Alaska that jerk off to Red Dawn it'll be Winter War 2: Now With Air Support
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I think you forget that we have 24 hour satellite surveillance all over the globe.
If you think Russia could send a large fraction of its blue water navy to one single point on the globe while also mustering all those troops and equipment on the ground in Russia beforehand without the US knowing about it weeks before hand, you don't have a good grasp on the level of technology employed in today's military.
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Also its alaska. Russia would be operating out of what, vladivastok maybe to take similarly shitty US ports in alaska.
If russia wants shitty coastal wilderness at uninhabitable climates they already have them.
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Yeah, but we have Sarah Palin there to take care of it for us.
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Well…once they consolidate their claim of Canada it will be easier
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after passing through the US Navy infested waters of the Atlantic or the Pacific.
It's something about 4 kilometers from Russia to US. Or 86 km between mainlands.
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No. First you make the inhabitants ask russia for brotherly help. Invitation > invasion.
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Hmm.
I mean, it's not gonna happen for other reasons (including the "Russia doesn't have the naval and air forces to get control of the ocean required to have the ships cross it" point in the Vice article that I link to in another comment), but if we set that aside and assume a hypothetical world where Russia could get control of the sea and the air over the Pacific, I think that there'd be hypothetical ways to work around a limited number of landing ships.
The amphibious forces have to be able to seize and defend a port so that non-amphibious-assault ships get in.
So, the capacity is bounded by the time required to do a round trip to your staging point and the number of ships you have.
And there isn't really any land nearby to use as a staging point.
But...you don't actually have to reload at land. I mean, you could do ship-to-ship transfer, then have the landing ships do another run in from an offshore concentration of warships. If you really worked at it, you could probably get pretty good throughput.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underway_replenishment
They also have LCACs. Those can land forces on unimproved beaches as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aist-class_LCAC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebed-class_LCAC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsaplya-class_LCAC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubr-class_LCAC
I assume that they can launch them from Ivan Gren-class LSDs. Maybe it's possible to load them via crane or something to increase throughput, dunno what doctrine is.
They also have some ships that can carry helicopters, and can use that for insertion from offshore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Naval_Aviation
And they have some landing craft of other sorts than what you mentioned; see the "landing craft" section:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Russian_Navy_ships#Landing_craft
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NAVY stands for Never Again Volunteer Yourself.
And after basic training and almost dying because of medical stuff unrelated to military service forced me out of the military, I took that to heart. Especially given who won the election in the years following my enlistment. No way was I going back. I'm still adamant to never reenlist, and I will always tell others NOT to enlist in the current US military unless major systemic changes are made so you don't have to think to yourself "are we the baddies?" when in your bunk. I will happily tell anyone a recruiter is talking to about my experience, my family's general military experience, and that with current volatility even if you agree with what they're doing today, your enlistment will last longer than one administration and tomorrow you could be bombing Gaza and Ukraine right alongside other fascists.
All that said, If a foreign country invaded the us, you bet your ass I would be joining up with my ex-military friends for some good old fashioned minutemen militia. I've seen their equipment and what Russia is using in Ukraine. Russians would fail against well armed civilians (the ones who also have training, not just money).
The biggest flaw with Red Dawn isn't that guerilla style combat tactics from teenagers and random adults could repel an enemy invasion coughvietnamcough, it's that the enemy forces would never have made it to the mainland in such force in the first place.
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Hexbear users are real quiet when posts like this come around.
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Be careful, they might show up and start posting gifts and emojis, thus negating everything you say, or any evidence of wrongdoing you may present!
Its totally all media lies and checks notes you being a racist cishet white male, regardless if you are any of those, and therefore your entire worldview is irrelevant and wrong. Oh and if you're from AmEriKa (the K is important to them, it makes them feel smugly superior) then anything you say is automatically wrong and you're an imperialist pig who deserves to die. Even if you actively protest against things. Because you aren't violently rioting.Which they TOTALLY would be doing... Not that their parents would let them out past sunset since teenagers have a curfew.
And even if you agree with them, go kill yourself because you're probably older than they are and old people killed the world so you are also at fault despite the fact that the modern problems of the world are millenia in the making, centuries of intentional planning, and decades of underhanded subversion by people who died long ago or are old enough to remember the moon landing.
Or just mute them like I do and never have to read another response as they scream pointlessly into the void since lemmy doesn't hide my posts from them, just theirs from me. Every so often someone will tell me what's being said but honestly the only thing I care to do when they show up is either pretend they don't exist or make fun of their insane bullshit.
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I don't think they can see this post with it being on lemmy.world.
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It does seem comforting knowing that the hexbear people are such a tiny fringe minority that they're likely to have very little impact unless they are or become domestic terrorists in any significant number (I could see a few of them suicide-bombing in major cities, coordinated, but they'll Darwin themselves out of existence eventually without leaving any real impact on this earth.)
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I could absolutely see Turnip Dump willingly "trade" those states to Russia to get something else in return, if he won a 2nd term as President.
That is to say, he would float the idea to see the response, then say he wouldn't do it, then turn around and do it anyway.
People who are saying "that would never happen," answer me this: what happened on 1/6/21? Specifically what happened with a confederate flag in the Capitol building? Something you thought would never happen?
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Can someone help me find this out -
Is selling an entire state something that literally anyone can do? Like, can the president do it? Congress? Secretary of State? Library of Congress?
Is this something that's even possible?
I assume the answer is a hard no, but the only source I could find online is quora and I have a negative amount of trust in that site
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There are institutions that are designed to prevent it, but as we saw in 45's first term, he has absolutely no qualms about dismantling meddlesome institutions.
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In a word, no.
In more words, haha no.
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SCOTUS has said no. Also, the Confederacy lost the whole war over their state members trying to leave. There is no legal means of seceding from the Union aside from persuading three quarters of the other states to let you leave by amending the constitution.
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what happened on 1/6/21?
Not what t-dump wanted to happen. If that loser-in-chief couldn't pull off 1,000 guys storming capital hill, what makes you think that he could pull off selling states with a combined population of about 44 million to our sworn enemy?
Even his best "allies" and his own vp left him out to dry after 1/6.
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And they thought Ukraine was hard to conquer it will be like 1776 every body and her brother killing the invaders
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There is a 50/50 chance the MAGA crazies will side with Russia.
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One third of the American colonists helped the Revolutionaries, one third did nothing, and one third helped the British. The conservatives (Monarchists, Loyalists) wanted to stay part of the British Empire. The Revolutionaries were liberal democrats, literally.
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Like wrestling a pig in the mud
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All of these locations (Alaska, California, Hawaii, much of eastern Europe) are ones that Russia has at one point in its imperial or soviet history had either outposts or territorial claim to. Of course, much of Eastern Europe was as recently as the 1980s under the Kremlin's direct control, either as puppet states or as territory Russia or the USSR directly claimed. Finland and Poland in particular have both been completely invaded by Russian forces multiple times, but at the moment they are built up defensively in ways that Russia quite honestly has zero chances of winning against.
Alaska was territory that imperial Russia claimed before any European country did. It was sold to the US during the Crimean war (1853) because Russia needed the money and in all likelihood it was going to lose it to Britain. Russia established early trading outposts in Alaska and California but sold or abandoned them after wiping out the fur animals they'd come to harvest and trade.
This talk for the benefit of Russian audiences is about reminding Russians of former imperial or soviet glory, but the problem with that historically is that it wasn't actually glorious.
The current propaganda push to get Russians thinking they really have a shot at rolling back the map changes since Imperial times is just an effort to sustain Russia's modern project: dismantling the post-WWII order in which the West (the US, in particular, but NATO and much of the UN) upholds alliances that Putin sees as against Russia's interests.
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All of these locations (Alaska, California, Hawaii, much of eastern Europe) are ones that Russia has at one point in its imperial or soviet history had either outposts or territorial claim to.
Come on dawg, you can't just drop Hawaii in there and not tell us what the fuck the Russians were doing over there!
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Sorry- I didn't know that part off the top of my head But since you asked, Russia's presence in Hawaii was sort of like its presence in Alaska and California: early 1800s outposts established by agents acting on behalf of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-American_Company, which the Russian Crown had granted a monopoly on operations in North America and the Pacific but was unable to back or support such claims.
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You mean something like a third Reich?
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You mean something like a third Reich?
Well, yeah. In very real ways WWII was about upending the post-WW1 order (which was punitive of Germany generally). It's really interesting to understand how crazy the flows of money were, and how badly the US in particular bungled its role as the issuer of the world's de facto reserve currency at the time- in the aftermath of WWI, Germany and its allies were made to pay reparations, France occupied the industrial territory on their border, and any money France or Belgium or Holland received in reparations promptly went to American banks, to repay war bonds borrowed to finance the fighting (which had, in turn, been spent in American factories on war materiel, weapons, munitions, etc).
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/12/the-real-story-of-how-america-became-an-economic-superpower/384034/ (sorry this is paywalled now, it was a really good read when it was available so I'll summarize briefly)
By the end of the first world war, all of the belligerent nations' economies were in tatters, their leadership were forced to inflate their currencies to make payments- but the US declined to inflate its own currency to make it workable for them- and when the US didn't think about its new role in maintaining a viable world order, it put everyone that owed it anything in the position of paying their debts not in their own inflated currencies, but in US dollars. This essentially collapsed the German economy and its currency, and it was just unnecessary.
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Anyone taking this seriously should think again. Of course Russia isn't going to invade the US, it would be suicide on too many levels to count. This is just posturing to tile up their own base, get people to still believe in the supposed might of mother Russia.
It's the same bullshit coming from the Republican party as well
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Why do people insist on partisan rhetoric? Your point could have been made better without the constant, cliche, stereotypical anti-Republican partisan rhetoric that you find in every comment about everything.
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probably because republicans also do very similar things. Just look at the recent CPAC and it's mess of "we're going to overthrow democracy and instantiate a christian nation"
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Because Republicans have all but sold their souls to Putin, perhaps? At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans suggest selling Alaska to Russia because it's in US interests, somehow.
And of course that wouldn't happen, it's all base riling posturing but that is the point.
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Okay, so Alaska I get. Hawaii, well okay middle of nowhere, strategic location.
But California? The fuck? Good luck with that.
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But California? The fuck?
He's listing the states where Russia has had territorial control at some point. Like, a "we controlled land once, so we can come back and take it" sort of thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_colonization_of_North_America
Imperial Russia controlled Alaska prior to the Alaskan Purchase.
They also had three forts in Hawaii, and one fort in California.
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"I want the Russian empire with Alaska, Hawaii, California, Finland, and Poland," he said, as translated by Gerashchenko for the clip he shared. "Although Poland and Finland are so stinky, I'm not sure, to be honest. We'll clean them."
OAKLAND — President Donald Trump on Thursday blamed California for its raging wildfires and threatened to withhold federal money, reprising his attacks from previous rounds of catastrophic blazes.
“I see again the forest fires are starting,” he said at a rally in swing-state Pennsylvania. “They’re starting again in California. I said, you gotta clean your floors, you gotta clean your forests — there are many, many years of leaves and broken trees and they’re like, like, so flammable, you touch them and it goes up.”
He was invoking his famous comments from 2018, when he visited the remnants of Paradise, a California town that suffered the state’s deadliest and most destructive fire. Back then, he pointed to Finland, claiming its leader said the European “forest nation” had “spent a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things. And they don’t have any problem.”
Finnish President Sauli Niinistö later said he told Trump that Finland takes care of its forests but did not say anything about raking, according to CNN.
I'm getting some decidedly conflicting messages here on the relative cleanliness of California and Finland.
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To be fair, the Cheeto is not wrong.
Forest fires naturally experienced small burns that take care of all of that and through human action of stopping that it is allowed a lot to build up and that is a huge cause of why there are so many giant wildfires right now
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Cheetoh is mixing two different messages:
- yes, forests need care to prevent catastrophic fires, but that involves thing like guided logging, and letting the small fires go
- yes, people need to rake and clear underbrush to make it tougher for the fire to spread on their property and up to their house
However there’s only so much these can help when you’re building in high fire risk areas
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And the effects of climate change making forest fires in general much more severe and more difficult to control.
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Yeah good luck with that.
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Near the end of the clip, the host of the program was quick to deflate Mikheyev's comment as "wishful thinking" divorced from actual politics.
"Yes, but again, wishful thinking is one thing and actual politics is another," the host said.
Gerashchenko, meanwhile, was less keen to write off the political scientist's comments as fantasy.
I mean, glad to see that even some Russian propagandists expect some of their viewers to have functional brain cells.
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Although Poland and Finland are so stinky, I’m not sure, to be honest. We’ll clean them.
wtf is that supposed to mean
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Projection.
In WWII, a lot of Russians got damage from easily preventable things that the Finns didn't, as we had saunas and better equipment. Something as simple as getting dry, clean socks and getting to wash your feet can be incredibly important. Just hygiene in general. Not to mention how a good sauna can improve moral.
If anyone was stinky in Winter War, it was definitely the Russians. Not the Finns. (weather at -30 in this photo)
Photo from this article with lots of other photos: https://www.life.com/history/the-coldest-front-lifes-coverage-of-the-winter-war/
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Genocide I imagine.
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They'll bring soap and schampo. Conditioner not included!
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I’d love to see Putin spend a week in the wrong part of Los Angeles and have his a__ handed to him by some Mexican American gang, or black gang. You want California, dude? As a white (non-Russian) living here, I have had gangs threatened to shoot me about five times now, because I accepted a job assignment in an area they considered to be their turf.
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Bunker rat is called bunker rat not for nothing.
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A big part of belonging to a cult is acting out the communal lie. It's a way to signal inclusion despite being antithetical to reality.
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Pretty sure LAPD could waste the blyats.
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Because their massive guts would just absorb the invaders' Kalashnikov rounds?
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FAFO
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Protecting the Russian speakers right?
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They should start with Georgia, Tennessee, and Louisiana. The red necks would grab every gun they have , be the shit show of the century.
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No they wouldn’t. Because the Orange Turd would tell them that it’s okay and to just go with it.
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i fully disagree. they would for 2 reasons:
the rednecks wouldn't put up with some foreign nation showing up in the south
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Trump would just turn around and claim that he didn't want this and ask the rednecks to get involved.
or another way to put this
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Russia doesn't have the naval, air, and amphibious forces required to do an invasion of the US to the point that they'd be fighting a land war in the first place. Doing that entails winning naval and air control adequate to move amphibious forces in.
This article is from a while back, but has a guy at Jane's assessing that the aggregate militaries of the world wouldn't be sufficient.
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I don’t think most countries have invested in “projecting” power very far. I do agree there probably isn’t logistics enough anywhere to handle it. However, if you start with Mexico and build your armies over years, and somehow US doesn’t notice or doesn’t intervene, now you have a land war
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Except for Atlanta, those states are currently welcoming Russian control with open arms
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"So we get to pick up arms and kill anyone we like?"
"As long as they're Russian forces, yes."
"And we won't get in trouble for that?"
"No. This situation is precisely why 2A exists. It's very clear."
"Ooooooh, now I get it."
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
In a recent appearance on Russia's state-run television, Russian political scientist Sergey Mikheyev suggested that the country's "empire" should grow to encompass three American states.
The clip of the remarks began to circulate on social media on Friday when it was shared by Anton Gerashchenko, an outspoken critic of Russia and a former adviser to Ukraine's minister of internal affairs, to X, formerly Twitter.
In it, Mikheyev mentioned the territory he would like to see taken over by Russia, including three of the westernmost American states and two North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) member nations in Europe.
Near the end of the clip, the host of the program was quick to deflate Mikheyev's comment as "wishful thinking" divorced from actual politics.
In the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022 and its heightened rhetoric about attempting to annex other countries and territories, suggestions about retaking Alaska from the U.S. have become prevalent.
In a December post to social media, also translated by Gerashchenko, Russian lawmaker Sergei Mironov suggested that U.S. oversight was weakening, and alluded to Alaska while discussing land that could be taken from it.
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How many states do the Republicans control again?
MFW I'm waiting to see which set of oligarchs wins control of the country.
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hey they can just have new jersey if they want it
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Best we can do is Montana, but we would like to flatten all of Russia first. That's a deal that even ruzzia's Zantanya would probably agree with. Mexico's Santana took the deal LOL 🤣. I'm from Mexico and I can tell you it's in the history books. It would be cool if you guys had your very own Zantanya chapter. Plus once the tree of you left move to new risky (former Montana) you would probably feel right at home.
Hey you said you got lithium and germanium? Yeah sounds like a good deal!
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Some random guest on Russian state TV wants that, according to a translation done by a Ukrainian. Newsweek then goes with "Russian State TV wants", implying endorsement of the idea by the Russian government.
Can you imagine if random Fox News guests were quoted as if they spoke for us? Obviously bullshit, right. That's what this is. Nothing on Russian TV can be taken at face value.
And it wasn't the host of the program that called it wishful thinking, it was the random guest himself only seconds later. Watch the video clip in the tweet embedded in the article to see it.
Trash journalism, Newsweek. But they knew it'd get clicks because apparently I'm the only person here who spent 25 seconds to watch the video and another 25 seconds to think. We need do better than this, people.
The real interesting bit is the "We'll clean them", salivating about ethnic cleansing of all non-Russians. It was a different voice than the guest - I think THAT might have been the host but I can't tell as I don't recognize the people involved.
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To sum up:
- Russian TV airs some bullshit.
- Ukrainian propagandist carefully selects a tiny segment, puts it into whatever context suits him. Provides translation which no one checks.
- US rag misquotes segment and misattributes statements.
- We sound off on social media.
Bullshit from start to finish.
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Oh good. We just bought a house in Alaska. Just, fantastic stuff going on.
