Memes @lemmy.ml

9mo ago

I hate that guy

Source: https://sunny.garden/@forestine/112225175318228712

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- Why would I change your mind‽
  
  The sign commands it
- Counterpoint: The rest of the Fediverse can see it too so it's not just for Lemmy.
- Can I get a blank version my man
- Can you recommend me where to get started with Star Trek?
  
  Star Trek The Next Generation
  Skip episode 1, "Encounter at Farpoint". It sucks all around. Watch it later if you're really curious but don't say I didn't warn you.
  If you want to check out a "representative" episode, see Season 5 Episode 2. (edit: the episode is named Darmok) You don't have to know everything going in, it's self-contained. If you like the episode you'll like Star Trek.
- But why.. Not chowder not changing any minds. simple.

That's not really fair to Crowder. He's also a misogynist and racist piece of shit.
- don't forget workplace sexual assaulter and abusive husband
  
  Truly well rounded.
  
  He's a polymath
- And a climate change denier. Basically a piece of shit grifter.

The Bluey version is better change my mind.
- It’s a matter of time before the allegations start coming out about him.
  
  "Bandit Heeler has recently come under scrutiny to the allegations that he is 'the bestest boy.' More tonight at 7"
- "Dad enters the room."
  
  slow clap intensifies
- Am I using this right
  
  "...when you put something beautiful out into the world, it's no longer yours really. "
  
  I suppose you can do whatever you like with it, mate.

Only use the original macro for dunking on Crowder.

The problem is just the meme is misused. It should only be for intentionally bad takes
- Memes change. That's literally how they work.

I say we lose the entire Crowder meme format. The "change my mind" bit was from one of his stunts, and this is just keeping it alive longer
There's still many other meme formats that send the same message, we don't need to sully Calvin's image by associating it with a Crowder stunt
- It only keeps it alive for those who know it. I had no idea who that dude was or where it was from.

I didn't even know who the mf was until people started posting this
- I still don't know who he is, and I don't feel like looking it up

I made this one awhile back
- Rusty Shackleford!

I don't think anyone should change your mind on this one

Why would anyone care who the stereotypical white dude is? That is giving importance/energy to the wrong thing. I didn't even really notice nor care who he was (and still don't). That said, I don't generate memes with him in it so I guess I'm doing my part. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- Why would anyone care who the stereotypical white dude is?
  Because he doesn’t deserve to be the guy in the meme. Think about all the other actually cool people who have been immortalized in silly memes, a lot of times they get interviewed and it is really funny. Everybody enjoys on some level that the person in the funny meme they are looking at is actually a real human being who has the goofy honor of being famous for the really specific, niche context of that meme.
  Why give that joy to a complete asshole and loser? Why give it to a media personality who spreads hate? Who cares if nobody recognizes who Crowder is, Crowder doesn’t even deserve to be interfaced with as an anonymous white dude in a meme, it takes away the necessary shame Crowder should experience at every interface with the broader public.
  
  Within the context of the meme it's a guy with a mug and an exploitable sign on his table. Nothing more.
  This shit sounds pretty tiring, IMO :/
  
  I really don't give a shit about internet famous people and now, I also don't care why anyone else cares. I'm sorry I ever asked the question.
- Are you genuinely struggling to understand why people who think he's actively saying hateful shit about trans people wouldn't necessarily want to increase his presence in the general Zeitgeist?
  Or did you just want to slip in the "stereotypical white guy" dog whistle?
  If you are actually struggling, i can probably help.
  imagine a person saying horrible shit about you, specifically.
  Now imagine they have a platform where they say this hateful shit to lots of people, enough that you sometimes run across these people and they also say hateful shit to you, perhaps worse.
  Now imagine an unrelated meme is made with this persons face on it and you see it 5,10,15 times a week.
  Now imagine that the comments on most of these memes feature a whole bunch of people defending this person and agreeing with the hateful shit they said about you.
  I'd imagine that's why some people care.
  Genuine question though, what would be the right thing to give the energy/importance to in this scenario?
- Do you have to specify whiteness? By definition, You are not far from him
  
  Only because he's white. If he was black, I would have said stereotypical black. I wasn't addressing this at you. I'll edit to say stereotypical ~~douche bag~~ ~~frat boy turd~~ thing.
  This is why giving importance to "not the focus" of the message gets in the way. Now we aren't talking about -insert meme here- anymore. We are talking about someone's personal issue with how I phrased something. Honestly, just proves the point of getting distracted by irrelevant things.

To be fair, he is racist too!!!
- And sexist, homophobic, antisemitic, the whole right wing dipshit starter pack.
  
  Honestly I don't remember anything directly antisemitic from him, some of his guests were, if I remember correctly, but not directly from him. Do you happen to know an example of him being openly antisemitic? Not that it matters, he probably is in private.

Shouldn’t use Watterson’s work. He fought long and hard against stuff like this…
- Could you link to more information about this?
  
  He's famously against all commercialization of the strip and I think he'd feel this similarly devalues it.
  One source.
  
  Here is a wiki source (insert error bars here) discussion of his stance on his work being officially licensed. He thought that use of his work outside of a comic strip would cheapen the value of the strip itself. This was frusterating as a child (who wouldn't want a fucking Hobbes plushy) but now later I can see that it was at the very least a very defensible choice. Compare how people feel about C&H vs something that was commercialized to death like Garfield. Anyway, hope it's useful.
- Like this specifically?
- I mean, not really though. He fought to keep companies from merchandizing C&H, mainly because he “wanted to keep the characters pure to every reader’s internal voice.” Basically to keep companies from turning it into a shitty profit center or bastardizing it with a cartoon, etc. I don’t think he really said anything or would have a problem with fans using the images to share stuff, y’know?
  
  Becoming a meme format is a great way to strip all of the original context for most, just look at the point of this thread. Just because it's C+H isn't going to stop that.
  Like we saw with the bumper stickers, it wasn't just the stupid Ford v Chevy thing, it was that anyone wanting to make a stupid point on their bumper sticker was lending Calvin's voice to their own stupid crusade.

Spoilers - he didn’t want anyone to change his mind.

While I appreciate that he is a transphobe, and that may be the nexus between him and yourself, he's a whole lot more than that.
It's one of his many assaults against decent humanity.

We should stop using Calvin in our stupid memes.
- do you want them to be stupid or not?

Never heard of the man. Sometimes I wish we the internet would pay more attention to people that inspire us than to people that disgust us.
- relevant CGPGrey video
  
  Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
  relevant CGPGrey video
  Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
  I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

The only meme I see in this version is one complaining about needing to use this version over the original one.
It isn't helping.
In fact, because the name is spelled-out, more people now know about the guy.
- Yeah, the original meme is clowning the guy, showing that he's an idiot with frivolous opinions

If you don't know how shitty of a person Steven Crowder is, take a look at this video (tw: verbal abuse) of him berating his pregnant wife.
His whole thing with "Change My Mind" is him going around to college campuses and debate-lording unprepared college students, and at the first sign of losing he weasels out.
- Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
  this video
  Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
  I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

First time I see the name, had to search it. To me, it is just a “change my mind” meme with no relevance as to which person is in it.

Without something like this, I could have gone my whole life not knowing who he was or his opinions. I bet most people are in that boat. Also, it's not like he makes money from the meme format.
Not really sure what's gained from changing it.
- A feeling of moral supperiority that lemmitors crave
  
  I bet the guy doesn't even use Linux.

For years I assumed he was just a student in college arguing for something and not an actual POS 😢

Maybe the change my mind meme should just be avoided entirely rather than creating a replacement as it's just giving the bigot more publicity and letting more people know thier name when you complain about it being used rather than the replacement.

Wait why are we mad at Calvi and Hobbs?
- We aren't. Op is saying we should use this instead of the template with Steven crowder cause Steven crowder is a piece of shit.
  
  But why do we want to make memes making fun of Calvin if they didn't do anything wrong?
- We are not. OP writes about the regular "change my mind" meme guy

Didn't his wife cheat on him or some shit and he's in the middle of divorce right now?

This is hilarious. Crowder is a POS.

Calvin! Watch your mouth!

Who even is that
- it's Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes
  
  The name on the poster.

Who? Doesn't matter, yes

Agreed

This is the best solution.

On the flip side, I say we continue to use them. Let his legacy be something completely out of his control, and let him learn that while he's still alive.

I love posts like this for a very special reason.

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