There is zero need for millions of office drones to be on the road daily.

The resistance to allowing WFH really shows how bullshit the push for EVs "to help the environment" is.

I'm not anti-EV and do believe they are better than ICE. But even better than an EV-driven mile is a mile that isn't driven at all.

None of my coworkers drive to the office and we actually like seeing each other.... Hybrid remote work is great for us

I think 90% of the problem is people being forced to drive everywhere

Some companies are doing it to create a hostile workplace to increase attrition. If an employee quits, they don't have to pay unemployment or severance. Other companies have huge investments in corporate real estate. They have been sitting on short-term loans that are coming due. The property owners are keeping their real-estate values artificially high, but to one wants to rent/lease them, so they aren't as valuable as in practice as they look on paper. Some companies get tax breaks from cities to put their offices there and will not continue to reap those rewards if their workers are not coming into the city. Don't let them gaslight you about culture or face time because that has all been debunked. A lot of remote workers are coming in to the office and sitting on Zoom/Teams calls in their cubicles.

Well, having the office was nice because I like my colleagues. I'm lucky in that regard though, and as nice as it was to socialise at work, working from home is nicer. Not to mention much much cheaper by every metric. In conclusion fuck ever going back to the office, thank you for coming to my TEDx Talk.

Working from home reduces emission much faster than electric cars.

If unions and OSHA really had teeth, they'd point out the significant health risks of having workers commute to work versus work from home. In terms of lives saved, work from home is much safer and we should fine companies accordingly when they force workers to commute when instead they could simply work from home. They should also be fined for environmental impact as well :)

those first 3 months or so of covid were bliss. every office drone was off the road. it was so fucking easy to get everywhere, and it was quick too

But the company culture.

I'd be fine with going into the office if public transportation could get me there, but it's a 15 minute drive vs 1.5 hours on the bus. And when I go into the office I just put in headphones with a YouTube documentary and don't talk to anyone. What's the point?

Ok, I need to tell someone else. The other day I ran into an acquaintance, John. He was telling me about his new manager job. Currently, everyone is working remote. An email was sent out to John's team inviting them to lunch so that the team could meet John in person.

Apparently, only 1 person showed up. John got butthurt. John told his boss that he thinks his team doesn't "engage enough" at work and that he thinks remote work is to blame. John told me he likes to test people randomly by sending them a Slack message and seeing how long it takes to respond. Apparently, he thinks 5 minutes for a response means people aren't at the computer working. John has convinced his boss to force people back in the office...

Meanwhile, my lead, who insists I drive 40km which takes 70 minutes one way:

"I can't do teams meetings for design discussions, I don't like drawing with my mouse"

Me: "OK, get a Wacom tablet or wtv and draw with that?"

Him: "No, just come to the office" for our 5 min talks we have occasionally and the once every two weeks 1 hr discussion

Unnecessary RTO should be outlawed

Here's my theory: bad bosses want you to be there in person because they think you're lazy.

My old job: there was a constant cloud of mistrust I got when I worked there, just a feeling of unease. I can't really describe it. Like everyone was just a little bit unhappy with their job. It wasn't related to the work we were doing, it was the working conditions. Everyone seemed unhappy with some policy. I consistently heard bickering about management and idiotic decisions, plus the usual customer complaints about clients making bad decisions or doing ridiculous things, but that's normal and nobody seemed miffed about it, just discussing it.

They had a "hybrid" work setup, each person was "allowed" to work remotely one day of the week, each week. The selection of which day was up to each worker and their team/manager to schedule. The expectation was that someone would be in office at all times on every team. Most teams were 3-4 people, so it generally meant that only one person was working remotely at a time.

So let me compound this, and I'll note, there's no exaggeration here, this is what happened. While working, we were obligated to be in a teams meeting all day long, 9 times out of 10 it was expected that we were on cam the entire day. Frequently these teams meetings were only the team in question, but the justification was that we were in there in case a manager/team leader/whatever, could pop in and talk to the team if they needed to, and/or if the manager was working remotely. It was pretty rare that happened. The other excuse was so that the team could chat about challenges and discuss any client issues they needed to collaborate on, which most teams just used text chat to do, so the meeting was unnecessary. During my time there, I made several suggestions for improvements and they all fell on deaf ears. Nothing changed. The excuses were poor, and I don't recall them very clearly because they were largely nonsense. Needless to say, the situation sucked.

I had to drive into the office for about 1h+ each day, and at least the same coming home, so around 2.5h of my day was my commute. I pleaded for more work from home/remote, but it was denied at every turn. Add this to the fact that there was no company provided parking, and parking in that area started at about $70/mo, and went up from there. The nearest parking areas were the most costly at $130+ and they were in high demand, some had wait lists for monthly passes because they simply did not have enough parking spots for everyone that wanted them.

There were probably dozens of other frustrations I could list, I'll limit myself to one more: my job is IT support, and we largely use remote access software for everything, so it literally does not matter where I work from. As long as I have an internet connection, I can do my job.

I didn't last 2 years under those conditions. I barely made it to 1 year.... There's a whole story as to why I don't work there anymore, but it's not relevant to the point. My point is, I was untrusted, and treated as though I should just shut up and create value for the shareholders, and be happy about it. By the way, the shareholders were the managers.

Contrast with the place I'm working now: I'm provided with $1000 of home office set up funds up front. I have a home office already set up, but I found some nice-to-have things that I was able to get with that money. I was shipped a brand new laptop and dock, which the old place gave me a used, old, crappy, end of life/end of support system. They also provided me with a UPS, keyboard, mouse, and three monitors, webcam, headset, etc. Before I even worked my first shift, all shipped to me directly. This job is 100% work from home, and this workplace doesn't even have an official office space. The only exception is when hands-on is required, or there's a team event, and we take over a client's board room for a day, so we can work from there, which has been less than once a month. I've met my team in person exactly twice in the three+ months I've worked at this place.

Any suggestions I have are discussed and considered. I feel heard. Some suggestions have already been implemented, others are still under consideration or have been denied with good reasons (usually a technical limitation regarding the systems we use). I don't need to sit in on useless meetings all day that accomplish nothing, I can listen to music while I get things done without being distracted by my co-workers eating their lunch and forgetting to hit mute. I "see" my team once a day for a stand up to check in on progress and workload. I feel supported, trusted, and I'm free to work in whatever conditions I find are most condusive to getting things done.

As a matter of fact: both jobs require time tracking, the old job I struggled to account for (approx) 5 hrs of my 8 hour shift, at the new job, I frequently can account for (approx) 7 hours of my day without issue.

My boss is good, trusting, and friendly. Compared to the cloud of discontent my old boss would inspire, and the work shows through on that. I'm happier, and I enjoy work again.

I recently heard that the old job nixed hybrid and went full RTO.

QED: Good bosses trust that you'll do your job and let you do that from wherever you can. Bad bosses want to control you into doing it "their way or the highway".

Them: I need you in the office so I can keep you under my finger!

Me: Bro do you know how much in rent and power you're gonna save keeping them at home?

Boss: you are not allowed to with from home

Same boss: I'll be working from work, I need to service my car

It's hypocrisy all the way down. Microsoft is telling people to run their 144hz screens at 60hz to save the planet while sending thousands of good computers to the landfill with their stupid TPM requirements. Never believed this "carbon footprint" garbage, never will. You are the carbon that they want to reduce.

I Like how he becomes so angry that he starts to bleed 😂

Hey boss, you want to put these servers in the cloud?

Oh and by the way, me working from home is the human equivalent of working in the cloud.

Majority of the wealthy higher ups in corporate management don't care about reducing emissions. They care about making their companies look good.

Talking about working towards climate change goals or talking about supporting marginalized groups is easy. Actually doing something is a lot different, but even today very few people look for actions.

Honestly I think we’re going to hit a wall where we realize we need about half as many “office drones” as we have in a couple years.

So many people with office jobs drive in, sit at a desk, and do maybe 2 hours of actual work in the entire day. Or they work from home and do the same. And then they collect their 95k/year salary.

I really dunno if people are prepared for businesses to start going “wait, what are all of these people doing?” And axing their workforce and replacing most of them with AI or existing other employees

I save $7 per day working from home while I can listen to death metal.

If offices REALLY want their workers in their buildings they've known for years that they have the options of using the real estate of the surface area* on the building itself to place solar and offset their demand massively. They can also incentivise massively to help their workers use electric vehicles - no not cars but ebikes, scooters and electric motorcycles and provide secure parking and charging. For those that use these, give them a bonus, buy the bike for them. Bikes free up staff parking to be used for other things.

*the sides of the building can also be used to hang panels, so if the roof is occupied with air con systems etc you still get power. There is usually just a 10% drop off in daily power generation, too, but an advantage is both that the panel cools more effectively in this position, and it also cools the building passively by shading the sun.

Only if the environmental narrative was cohesive and consistent lol.

If govts really cared about the environment they would push companies into remote working as much as possible instead of pushing for electric cars that are a hazard to the planet.

I don't have the kind of job that can be done remotely, but I'm all for remote work where it's possible and desired. My best friend hated working from home at the height of covid because he's an extrovert who can't really afford to go out much. Now he works from home Mondays and Fridays and I think it's kinda the best of both worlds for him. I think that employers that already have office space for workers that could effectively do their job from home should give workers a choice. Maybe hybrid workers have required scheduled days in the office just to make sure they're there to attend necessary meetings or collaborations or whatever rather than it just be them coming in when they feel like it, but the technology has caught up to allow way more flexibility than ever before. If I had a 100% desk job, I would move somewhere cheaper and never come in. I know I'm not alone there, and I think there's no reason to hold that option hostage. Covid proved that it could be done for most white collar work, and we can't let them try to squeeze that Pandora back into its box.

I hate how the left hand panes look Ron DeSantis, and cutting carbon emissions isn't something that asswhipe would discuss since he and his predecessor, Senator Rick Scott, like to pretend climate change isn't real and it's "wokie/DEI/SJW/Socialist/Communist/Chinese/etc. bullshit". However he would definitely get mad at work from home, regardless of how much it betters the state of Florida, gotta keep those slaves in the fields where can see them, right?

If my company forces me into the office then my commute shall be counted towards the company's "carbon footprint", not mine

Thanks Biden ya fuckin loser: https://www.npr.org/2023/09/07/1196787623/federal-workers-remote-office-ordered-taxpayers-telework-science

I like working from the office but I agree the rest of you all should wfh so I can have the roads and office building to myself.

I worry that the widespread acceptance of work from home without any other societal changes will increase the level of loneliness. It's a solution that has to come packaged with other quality of life enhancements or social trust is going into an even faster free fall. I wonder what a wfh/social solution would look like.

Edit: I'm not advocating for the office, I just think people like me wouldn't do very well without other changes, and I think there are more people who don't know how to make adult friends than we think. I'm not even an introvert, I just don't go to any place often enough to make friends from it.