Taliban edict to resume stoning women to death met with horror
Taliban edict to resume stoning women to death met with horror
Afghan regime’s return to public stoning and flogging is because there is ‘no one to hold them accountable’ for abuses, say activists
The Taliban’s announcement that it is resuming publicly stoning women to death has been enabled by the international community’s silence, human rights groups have said.
Safia Arefi, a lawyer and head of the Afghan human rights organisation Women’s Window of Hope, said the announcement had condemned Afghan women to return to the darkest days of Taliban rule in the 1990s.
“With this announcement by the Taliban leader, a new chapter of private punishments has begun and Afghan women are experiencing the depths of loneliness,” Arefi said.
“Now, no one is standing beside them to save them from Taliban punishments. The international community has chosen to remain silent in the face of these violations of women’s rights.”
And somehow despite being obviously evil and despicable they believe themselves to be the good guys.
Republicans:
At least we could tell Republican women "told you so"
Akhundzada said: “We will flog the women … we will stone them to death in public [for adultery].
“You may call it a violation of women’s rights when we publicly stone or flog them for committing adultery because they conflict with your democratic principles,” he said, adding: “[But] I represent Allah, and you represent Satan.”
Ah, the good old argument from "I'm just right and you're wrong, OK?" with a garnish of "The Creator of the universe told me I'm great and said you suck." Please may I never be this certain of anything.
When you can back up your arguments with the threat of death, you get used to saying bullshit and not having it challenged.
He's technically true in the last part though
So Satan is a nicer dude than Allah?
Both are equally imaginary
This was always going to happen. Once Trump signed the surrender, and released Taliban fighters, some of which run this government, the die was cast.
The die was cast long before that when the US decided to fund the mujahideen to fight the Soviets. That destroyed the possibility of a secular Afghani state. The US later found that the easiest way to pacify the country was to simply bribe Taliban aligned warlords. Once the money spigot was turned off, a Taliban resurgence was inevitable. Every administration from Reagan to Biden shares some blame in what is happening today.
Once Trump signed the surrender, and released Taliban fighters
Can you please point me to more info on these two points?
Signed by Trump and allowed to take effect by Biden. Both US parties accepted this result.
Well Biden could have put in the troops needed that Trump removed I suppose. Tear up the capitulation, etc.
Don't blame the president: WE decided to go in and kill a ton of Taliban, WE decided to spend actual trillions standing up and equipping an army that did not give enough of a fuck about anything but grifting. The ANA did not even try to slow down the Taliban when the US stopped acting as a backstop. Afghanistan never really thought of itself as a cohesive nation, we were never going to change their psyche.
I'd rather blame Bush and Obama for sinking trillions into helping their friends get rich at the cost of everyone pretending we were building a real country.
I'm more surprised they weren't already.
Yeah, I didn't realized they ever stopped.
Conservatism is a deadly, contagious social disease that destroys entire cultures.
In Afghanistan, we can see the natural, final stage of conservatism. This is what the future holds for any country that cannot offer sufficient resistance to this disease.
Honest good faith question: what can the international community do?
Nothing because it has no actual power. What have they done with regards to the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine or Palestine?
Sadly but it's all about selfish (state) interests, not human rights at all. Nothing new.
Colonize the land in the name of oil /s
Drone strike a wedding party. Final offer
It depends. What are you willing to sacrifice to get something done?
Mind their business. Hard truth.
Horror from those of us who aren’t going to get stoned to death.
Terror from those who are.
Important to understand the distinction between these emotions.
Well, 20 years and what have we learned:
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If you invade a nation with no solid national identity that prefers tribal identity, you're going to have to stay to build that national identity.
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To build that national identity you'll need to stay until a whole generation has gone through the new way of life you have made: born, went to school, got a job, got married, had some kids, grew old, and died. The new way of life needs to be the only way of life in living memory.
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So you're talking about a minimum of 100 years of occupation.
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If you pull out too soon because back home the appetite for a foreign deployment has wained, don't get surprised when the old way comes back.
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Guerrilla fighting is super effective in the long run.
Great post. I'll just quibble with one word. It took 20 years to re-learn what most of our ancestors knew well. It isn't enough to occupy a country. If you want to replace an ancient tribal culture, you have to remove that culture's elites, colonize and farm the land with your own citizens more or less permanently, put down any resistance violently, and then support the colony until it finally assimilates the existing population or is assimilated by it. All of the ancient empires did that when they could, Europe did it during the age of colonization where feasible. The Arabs did it during the Islamic conquest. China has done it throughout their long history. Russia is the largest country on Earth because it colonized all of the indigenous cultures from the Ural Mountains to the Pacific Ocean during the conquest of Siberia. The Soviet Empire tried to do it to Eastern Europe too with their Russification programs, but weren't able to stay long enough because the Soviet Empire was destroyed after only 45 years.
The US was never going to colonize Afghanistan. It was folly to believe that Afghanistan was going to adopt western values in a mere 20 years of occupation.
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Yeah god definitely waited until 1400 years ago to give out the -real- rules, and this made the list?
Fuck these guys. Bunch of cowards.
'The international community won't hold them accountable' - Maybe for years under friendly occupation and support you should have held them accountable. I don't believe for a second your husbands and sons have no involvement in the country's culture. You effectively had years to erase the taliban and you collectively enabled them to fight the Americans instead. Anyone still in Afghanistan after all these years should not be having any surprise with the way things are going.
The international community is busy making sure hamas can create exactly the same brutality in Palestine,
Traditional values
And exactly what form of even potentially effective action are they expecting?
Obedience
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What a world. Where something funny like that could be so close to being truth to life far from a sarcastic joke. We gotta do something about human rights to straighten up his ship. We need abortion and women's rights back. We need religion out of schools and government offices. We need kids to get fed well and be available for free and open education. We need software to be opensource for technology to thrive and begin bearing fruit.
But we're just so far from any of that it feels defeating.
Just because no one holds you accountable for doing it, how can you justify being sick and evil enough to want to flog or stone somebody. What is going on with these middle eastern assholes?? Is it something in the water they drink or the food they eat that turns these bigoted males into such flagrantly mentally abberant pieces of utter walking dog shit??
Well, my advice is, if you're a middle-eastern woman, arm yourself any way you can and strike first. Throw the first stone, you might just crush the worthless skull of one of these misogynistic women-hating anti-human pieces of maggot infested filth, and do the world an immense favor.
It's a few thousand years of the most regressive patriarchal pastoralist bullshit going on. It's the culture and the religion, they go together. And I'm not referring just to Islam.
Do you think the West is that far off?
Yes
We're trying!
No I'm not saying the West is much better, but at least here we treat women with the same dignity as men. We spit on all of them, but at least we TRY to say we treat men and women equally.
No the situation is not much better anywhere in the world.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Taliban’s announcement that it is resuming publicly stoning women to death has been enabled by the international community’s silence, human rights groups have said.
The Taliban’s supreme leader, Hibatullah Akhundzada, announced at the weekend that the group would begin enforcing its interpretation of sharia law in Afghanistan, including reintroducing the public flogging and stoning of women for adultery.
In an audio broadcast on the Taliban-controlled Radio Television Afghanistan last Saturday, Akhundzada said: “We will flog the women … we will stone them to death in public [for adultery].
Sahar Fetrat, an Afghan researcher at Human Rights Watch, said: “Two years ago, they didn’t have the courage they have today to vow stoning women to death in public; now they do.
Since taking power, in August 2021, the Taliban has dissolved the western-backed constitution of Afghanistan and suspended existing criminal and penal codes, replacing them with their rigid and fundamentalist interpretation of sharia law.
In the past year alone, Taliban-appointed judges ordered 417 public floggings and executions, according to Afghan Witness, a research group monitoring human rights in Afghanistan.
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wow who would have thought
Not my circus, not my monkeys.
And anyone who's surprised by this is an idiot.