Russian TV airs fake video alleging Ukrainian involvement in terrorist attack, featuring Ukrainian official
Russian TV airs fake video alleging Ukrainian involvement in terrorist attack, featuring Ukrainian official
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ISIS: “We did it”
Russia: “Liars”
Americans: “We told you this would happen”
Russia: “You didn’t tell us enough”
Americans: “Actually we were pretty specific”
ISIS: “Seriously though we did it.”
Russia: “No. It was Ukraine”
Even in their public warning they specified concerts specifically. I imagine the private warning to the Russian government was even more specific.
I pictured this as a Polandball strip.
!polandball@lemmy.world pleeeeeease!
What motives does ISIS have to attack Russia? If ISIS was doing it out of some Islamic purpose then they would have attacked Israel.
Instead they attack Iran and Russia?
If I understand it correctly, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Russian interference in Syria has been exceptionally devastating for Isis in the region.
But so has American and other Western interference.
Terror attacks on Iran and Russia when they are in the middle of fighting the most well accepted common enemy between all parties in the middle east (Israel) certainly is not going to boost ISIS reputation.
ISIS really doesn't have any significant friendly states, so their international reputation isn't exactly a priority
How are they going to recruit fundie members if everyone sees them as hypocrites?
I don't think anyone really sees it as hypocritical, especially not their potential members - they're very open about their hatred for these countries
You’ve been given some decent answers here so I just want to know what prompts a person to not believe this news.
So ISIS actually owns up to an attack and you want to doubt them and think nah, smells like Ukraine. Like why?
The one thing most people would expect from a group that calls themselves "fundamentalist islamists" is that they would attack Israel by now.
It doesn't smell like Ukraine to me. They have no benefit from these false flags.
Again, if the horse is telling you they did it. Why doubt the horse?
This isn’t about Israel it’s about Syria.
Why should I believe your username is IndustryStandard?
Except Israel is one of the most secure countries against attacks like this, because they have experienced many attacks like this. And they are doing everything they can do to prevent similar attacks, including using racial profiling and other authoritarian tactics(apartheid).
It is much easier for radical islamists living in Russia, places like Dagestan/Chechnya or living in neighbouring muslim countries, to go to Russia.
Now you might say, why would they attack Russia? Because Russia has been attacking ISIS(and affiliates) in both Syria and Africa. And thats on top of the Chechen wars, Afghanistan invasion or maybe more relevant, the Tajikistani war(since the perpetrators seem to be from Tajikistan).
What you need to understand is that ISIS(ISIS-K) is against everyone. They are against the Taliban in Afghanistan, against Iran, against Pakistan, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_against_the_Islamic_State#Involvement_by_country
Literally every nation on earth(including Russia and China) is listed as actively opposing ISIS.
Ok. And this is relevant because?
Isis is anti-Shia, considering them infidels, and has a long history of conflict with Iran, especially in Iraq and Syria. Islam isn't some coordinated power system, it's a complex, fractious religion with many internal and external conflicts.
Russia, too, has been involved in lots of conflict with ISIS, including in Syria and more recently supporting north African countries' conflicts against them as well.
You need motive and opportunity. There are not many opportunities to carry out attacks in Israel at present.
Maybe most people do not know about the relationship between the Russian Empire and Islam. Today, over 10% of the population is Muslim. When you think of soviet soldiers fighting Nazi Germany, you need to assume an even higher percentage of the conscripts being Muslim; state atheism notwithstanding. I know these things, and yet Islam is not something I intuitively associate with Russia.
During the European Middle Ages, vast areas of what is now in the south of the Russian Empire were converted to Islam. In later centuries, these areas were conquered by the expanding Russian Empire. It's not quite a happy relationship. You may have heard of the genocide of the Crimean Tatars, particularly under Stalin. During the Cold War, majority Muslim Turkey was the only NATO country to have a border with the Soviet Empire. Nuclear missiles were stationed at that border, until they were removed as part of the secret agreement that came out of the Cuba Crisis.
Afghanistan has a long border with the Russian Empire. In the 1980ies, the Soviet Union embarked on an ill-conceived intervention to aid an even more ill-conceived revolution in Afghanistan. After 10 years of war, the troops were pulled out. This was then followed by another decade of civil war, which may have been dying down leading up to 9/11.
When the Soviet Empire dissolved, many ethnic groups achieved independence. That was not always peaceful. The fighting in Afghanistan seems to have had a certain spillover effect. For whatever reason, the Russian Army fought to maintain imperial dominance over some of these territories. Chechnya was especially brutally fought over.
Multiple terror raids have taken place in the last 30 years.
The Russian Afghanistan invasion is fifty years ago.
The American invasion of Afghanistan is only four years ago.
Sure there are motives and bad blood everywhere. But this timing just loses them all legitimacy if they truly want to "start an Islamic caliphate".
The Russian invasion of Afghanistan is just one chapter in an extensive history including genocide of Islamic peoples within its borders with many more recent events as well. Putin himself rose to power carpet bombing Chechnya. Even more recently, Russia literally going to Syria to attack Isis, where they still are stationed and fighting. Their efforts to keep Bashar Al Assad in power infuriated Isis. They also have their African forces recently assimilated from Wagner group attacking Islamic militants across Saharan Africa, some of which consider themselves branches of Isis. If "literally being attacked by them across the world as we speak right now" is not motive enough for them to attack back for you, I don't know what would convince you. This isn't even the first time Isis has claimed to attack Russia, there's been a string of attacks from Isis going back to 2015.
And Isis is opposed to the Taliban in Afghanistan and actively fighting them as well. I don't know what you're on about.