"but it's not my computer, so you should be willing to host any of it"

Never understood people who don't get this.

As a person who is part of open source communities, on various chairs and donates, the money is extremely slim, and the people involved just want to build cool things.

We are busy trying to keep the lights on for hundreds of thousands of people can enjoy this service. And if a small group of troublemakers force us to get a strong legal threat, we aren't risking the the project's survival for them.

Especially when we don't know the troublemakers, don't have any connection with them, they don't contribute to the platform, etc.

Oh oops, you haven't pasted some cool copyleft licence below your words on this niche thread on a niche social media network so looks like I might remix and reuse your content without attribution... Unlucky

And anything you write or upload to Lemmy should be considered permanent, as it immediately spreads throughout all the instances and they actually don't have to respect edits or removals. And if instances defederate from each other then they simply can't, as they don't sync those requests any more - if Lemmy.World decided to defederate from Sopuli, this message would become permanent and I could not do anything about it.

Also, this who saga about the uploaded ID picture.

Is it bad that I hope Nostr takes off?

Did the admins state anything? I thought the issue here is that LW previously did something without an announcement, undid it and promised to communicate before doing something like that again, and now people are saying they haven't communicated this time.

That's the real issue, not the fact that it was defederated.

Our community feddit.uk doesn't do nsfw, because it's not worth the headache for what our main focus is.

Same for my instance and for the same reasons. We have nothing against that, just, like you said, not our focus nor worth the headache.

And in the end, it works. We handle Mr. Brains Pork Balls, they can handle...other balls.

🤣

What I'm curious about is, why haven't lemmy.dbzer0.com received those takedown messages? Wouldn't it make more sense to go to the source instead of just another instance hosting the content but not actually "responsible" for the content, so to speak? Or maybe they have?

So many unknowns. Until LW makes an announcement, it's all speculation. I haven't seen any mention from db0 about takedowns, etc, but those may just be background noise for him. lol

regarding your first question - they usually go after the big fish first. dbzer0 might still be flying under the radar, and also might be ina different jurisdiction where the specific plaintiff can't go after them, or where it's harder for them to do so

Reddit is an American company, subject to American laws, that has a legal department (i.e. has lawyers on retainer). Lemmy World, like most other instances, is run by volunteers and donations and is subject to the laws where it's hosted and/or where its operators reside.

When you receive a takedown / DMCA / whatever legal mumbo-jumbo applies to your jurisdiction, you have two choices:

• Comply immediately
• Fight it in court

The first option is free. The second option costs a lot of money if you don't already have lawyers on retainer and can cost even more money if the court rules against you.

Sucks, but that's the way it is.

Again, I'm only speculating that was the case here. However, given Germany is one of the jurisdictions LW is accountable to, it's not that wild of a guess.

In most EU nations, piracy is usually not even a blip on the radar for security forces and internet providers. Things seem to work completely differently in Germany, where breaking copyright law can carry a sentence of up to three years in jail, alongside a large fine and trial costs. - Source

What's the point of Lemmy if Reddit is more free?

That's such a broad question that I'm not even going to bother. Instead, I'll answer with the same question as when "states' rights" are brought up:

"States' rights Free to do what, exactly?"

You're also free to run your own instance and accept all the legal liabilities that come with that.

You seem to be confusing Lemmy.world with Lemmy as a whole. Lemmy is free to be used for anything by anyone.

Lemmy.world is the largest and most mainstream Lemmy server, so they need to be especially careful about legal issues. If lemmy.world gets taken down due to mirroring content hosted on lemmy.dbzer0.com, the whole network would partially collapse because of how many users and communities are hosted on lemmy.world.

It's not even close to worth the risk. This is how federation is supposed to work.

the dbzer0 piracy community has been around much longer than most of the users here. they spun up when they saw the writing on the wall, and they permit things that would not be permitted on reddit. and, it seems, they permit things that are not permitted on .world.

but the instance is still there. the community is still there.

and you can leave .world, join an instance that hasn't banned !piracy, and keep right on going.

Reddit's piracy community doesn't discuss the practical stuff like dbzero's does

You know the meme where Bender goes, "I'll do my own thing, with Blackjack and hookers!"

Lemme provides that. Servers are managed by different groups and you can absolutely make your own, with blackjacks and hookers.

Reddit has corporate lawyers. Lemmy does not.

I mean, yes, Dbzer0 still exists, and yes, you can access it from other instances, but Lemmy.world is the biggest one and users here being cut off from it from here will strangle the amount of activity it gets. Visibility is important for the health of other instances and their communities. There’s a good reason why alternative subreddits never outgrow the main ones.

Yes and no. While it's true that piracy might not get "drive-by" traffic from l.w. users, those users who become aware of it, or who want to access it will be forced to create an account elsewhere than l.w. which will also help with redistributing users to smaller instances.

Lemmy now has export/import for settings, including blocklist.

Suscriptions and block liste are transferred in two clicks via the settings. For jour history just mention the other account in jour bio.

OP has the answer, come to the place that is being banned: Lemmy.dbzer0.com ! I came here last time .world got all banney.

I'm seeing some balance at lemmy.ca.

Then again, at times I can be pretty clueless. I'm just happy here.

Lemm.ee or sh.itjust.works

The trumpers ruined that c-word for me.

I feel like all we're doing is speedrunning Reddit.

The problem with this is that it isn't really decentralized equally. Lemmy.world has most of the users and getting defederated from them is essentially a death sentence in terms of content and engagement.

I think it's a good idea to make new accounts on other instances, I plan to but without a proper amount of people, lemmy.world is working the same way reddit did.

quicker upgrades

That's an important one, especially with how long it took LW to upgrade. I completely get why it's more challenging for them due to their number of users, but that could be an argument for enthusiastic users to move elsewhere.

Here being where exactly?

It is an inconvenience. Having to track which account can view which communities, with all the drama and defederation happening each week isn't easy.

It’s a major inconvenience and I’ll stick to one. If it can’t be accessed from Lemmy.world it’s not really my problem tbh and I’ll just act like it doesn’t exist.

.world users doing their thing. It's fine for a starter but not someplace to stay

This is a great site to find instances:

https://join-lemmy.org/

I can see it just fine. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

Making a new account isn't difficult; I chose my instance specifically because I wanted access to that particular community.

Try this link: lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/piracy

Another problem is .world part of US-centric instance

The communities they banned are only for the discussion of piracy(whick is legal). There are no copyrighted material hosted in any of them.

I'm referring specifically to lemmy.world, not to all of lemmy or even the fediverse.

So it just means that lemmy.world users can no longer see that specific community, right?

Ah i missread then. My bad.

Roskompozor?

Sigh... if "indirectly linking" is prohibited then literally the entire web breaks.

You could list your accounts in priority, and the highest account that has access to the post you're reading will be responsible for the vote.

Just choose default in the app

Just have it default to one of them. A simple priority order, preferring an account on the host instance I guess.

Same for commenting, and posting. You wouldn't have to select another account unless you really wanted to.

Considering how well voting has turned out in general, maybe the voting system is the issue.

This is basically the very instance most piracy communities are hosted on, so you get extra benefit of ALWAYS having access to it regardless of defederations.

Same, but if you're used to the more moderated nature of lemmy.world, just be aware that lemm.ee isn't as quick to defederate from other instances. Personally, for me that's a plus, and it's the reason I chose this instance. Bring on hexbear, lemmy grad, and exploding heads. I don't care. I want to hear what everyone has to say, and I can block people or instances if I have to (through Lemmy and the apps I use like Sync and Voyager). But if you don't want to, there are lots of other instances that defederate from those places but still federate to the piracy instance.

Yeah looks like I’ll have to.

.ml is terrible. They actively ban people who aren't tankies. Reasonable discussion is not allowed there. If there is one instance that should be defederated it is .ml

The thing is, this actually if anything proves the strength of the fediverse. Lemmy.world is not Lemmy and Lemmy is not the fediverse. Just find another instance that has not blocked the community yet and carry on with your day.

Lemmy.world have every right to curate the experience for their users as they see fit and/or feel comfortable carrying the risk for.

Hey it's a free world. You're welcome to migrate to a different instance. Heck why not run your own? That's the power of the fediverse. Or just head back to Reddit.

Feel free to join any other instance from that list: https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances?tab=readme-ov-file

You can export and import your settings (including subscriptions and block lists) in two clicks from your account settings.

Edit: https://lemmy.ml/instances includes Pawb.social and pawb.fun, they're also federated with instances that host furry communities.

Which furry instances are you talking about?

Examples?

I occasionally see this argument but not yet seen any evidence to back it up.

I just searched "china", and didn't notice any authoritarian propaganda in the first 3 pages, but I counted 6 anti-chinese stories.

The closest to pro-chinese stories that came up were that EU citizens can now travel to China visa-free, the CEO of evergrande getting fined and banned from business, and some news story about economic numbers.

Would you care to point it out to me?

do you have any proof of this?

That's all well and good, I agree with virtually all you said. It's certainly the admins' right to block or de-federate any community they want, based on risk or just because they feel like it, I have no issue with that. It's simply my personal belief that discussion of crime is not a crime. Direct links to illegal content should not be allowed, but discussion about piracy in general should carry no more risk that learning about murder in a criminology class, which does not need to be banned just because it's teaching people things they could in theory use to get away with murder.

I think we're close to saying the same thing, I'm in total agreement that linking to illegal content should be banned, it's the uneven enforcement of that principle across communities that I think is an issue. I know .world isn't hosted in the US, so you don't enjoy broad 1st Amendment protections for free speech, but does anyone really think that discussing crime is itself a crime? If I say "here's a scenario for how a group of people could rob a bank" what crime is that? If I say "hey I think there's people dealing drugs on this street corner" what crime is that? And I can of course appreciate a host not wanting to expose themselves to any sort of legal liability, that's their free choice, they own the server. I'm talking about, on principle, what's wrong with allowing a community to exist so long as that community does not post or link to illegal content? That principle seems to work just fine for virtually every other topic but when it comes to discussion of filesharing, torrents, and the like, then suddenly the "don't link to illegal content" principle isn't good enough and it becomes "we must ban this entire concept for our own safety." That's the admins' right and I have no issue if they want to do that, I just want to point out the glaring double standard between moderating communities so they don't break the rules and banning communities so they don't break the rules.