1y ago

/r/AccidentalRenaissance moderators have all resigned. The subreddit has permanently shut down and moved to Lemmy.

AccidentalRenaissance has no active moderators due to Reddit's unprecedented API changes, and has thus been privated to prevent vandalism.
Resignation letters:
Openminded_Skeptic - https://imgur.com/a/WwzQcac
VoltasPistol - https://imgur.com/a/lnHSM4n
We welcome you to join us in our new homes:
https://kbin.social/m/AccidentalRenaissance
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/accidentalrenaissance
Thank you for all your support!

Original post from r/ModCoord

381 comments

Argh, why make 2 communities? >_< Pick one damnit :D
I'm going to the blahaj one
Anyway well done for recognizing the ship is rapidly disintegrating.
- I was thinking the same thing, it's counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol
  
  It's kind of a massive part of Lemmys design, so I would disagree.
  We're going to end up with duplicate instances all over the place. That's just the reality of things. Some of them will become the more popular versions and others will be abandoned, but there's little point to complaining about it.
  
  it's counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol
  Actually no, it is not. Having multiple smaller communities works to the benefit of users in the Fediverse. One server might be down, and people in those communities can find another community on a different instance to continue discussion until the community of their instance choice comes back up.
  
  It's "broken by design."
  [deleted rant]
- I got a response from them on Reddit:
  We didn't know which platform would take off, and we were nervous that because Kbin and Lemmy are so similar one platform might shut down in some sort of consolidation down the road. Also when we made them, each had very serious drawbacks for our media (Lemmy needs a lot of clicking to access the media, while kbin turned any media that wasn't in a 3:4 aspect ratio into a funhouse mirror.) So each of us took a community and somewhere down the line we'll re-evaluate.
  
  That makes a lot of sense.
  I was tempted to go with kbin when I switched, because it just looks cleaner and better designed. I'm not sure why kbin isn't more popular, but I'm sticking with the pack right now on lemmy.
- Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it's a separate platform entirely, I think it's just some good old fashioned misunderstanding. Looks like they've set up separate user accounts on Lemmy and Kbin too.
  
  Now setting up separate user accounts isn’t a terrible idea…
  
  Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it's a separate platform entirely
  They might as well be, honestly.
- Yeah, kind of a strange choice to split like that. Are they intending to start crossposting to both communities?
  
  Maybe they didn't realize lemmy and kbin can all visit the same community?
  I subscribed yesterday. Will have to check which one it is!
- I'm sure eventually there'll be a means to merge them at the client end.
  
  The problem is that if you have two communities with exactly the same purpose, then that will encourage people to duplicate posts to both. This splits up discussions into two separate comment threads. Also, merging these communities at the client end will cause you to see any duplicated posts twice 😅
- Why not both? I like twice the content.
  
  It's not going to be twice the content though. It's either going to be split between the two, or, most likely, just seeing double-posts as one is crossposted to the other
- I just checked out KBin for the first time. Yes there's a lot of duplicated communities on there but the site itself has quite a nice UI. Like a more updated version of Lemmy keeping the simpl9icity but not going balls-to-the-wall modern like Reddit.
  I've signed up and think I'll be using both. I don't see a problem with this. Sometimes I get a bit bored of Lemmy's stories not updating so I'll switch to KBin and see what's going on.
  It's no different than when I used to get bored of Reddit and would check out BBC News or YouTube for stuff.
  I like choice.
  
  Nobody said anything about choice. But you can use your kbin account to read lemmy communities through kbin, and you can use lemmy account to read kbin communities through lemmy. There's just no reason to have 2 communities.
- We weren't sure which to go with; also... there was a whole thing with the creator of the OG sub; we were a bit concerned that they would create those and just sit on them, so we wanted to go ahead and have at least one or two places for AR.
  So we did one on lemmy and one on kbin (I think I put one on like... squabbles too?) (I should check that...) and will kinda go with whichever takes off.

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
- I love this bot
- Good bot!
  
  Google human!
- It also works in the /c/ and /m/ formats for the web version of Lemmy (not sure if kbin has the same)
  /c/accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  /m/AccidentalRenaissance@kbin.social
  
  FWIW, in Memmy, the latter is recognized as a URL and clickable, but takes me to a “page not found” page on my home server. The former is not clickable.
  
  Neither of those links work for me.
- Good bot. Have a Scoobysnack!
- Great bot!
- very good bot
- Those links don't work on connect app :(

For everyone who told us that they’d never taken a single art class and they could mod this place better with their eyes closed… Well, consider this a golden opportunity! It’s going to be tricky doing it with your eyes closed ever since Reddit’s painfully botched rollout of “disability friendly” mod tools in their disasterpiece of a mobile app has caused nothing but crashes and bugs, but you seemed so confident in the many (many, many, many) times you’ve expressed this opinion that we can only assume you know something about modding that we don’t!
Is such a fun line.
- test comment.
  \ edit of test comment
  \ edit from culprit browser
  \ edit with only one add-on deactivated
  
  You ok there bud?
- I don't think there's a lot of blind people going to r/AccidentalRenaissance anyway.
  
  Actually, we did have a small contingent of visually impaired people who enjoyed the subreddit, even if they had to zoom way in to see the details. Most people who are legally blind still have some vision and they still love pleasing arrangements of pixels.
  That's why we're trying to make the Lemmy and kbin instances more accessible by adding image transcriptions where possible, a paragraph description explaining the details in the photo so mostly-blind people can enjoy them more.
  Also, like, half the mod team is some flavor of disabled, and us cripples gotta stick together.
- This is a masterpiece! Now I miss r/murdered_by_words!
  
  Oh please please please. And the companion suicide and kamikaze subs too. All absolute gems.

Oh damn, that's us!!
We'd wondered where the nearly 1.9k subscribers came from completely out of nowhere!
So, yeah, a lot of people are hating on us for creating one of Kbin and one on Lemmy, but we had our reasons: Basically, neither handled images very well and we saw that these two services did basically the same thing and that typically leads to the weaker project getting cancelled down the line, so we decided our safest bet was just to make one of each, just in case. Better safe than sorry.
We might consolidate them later, but for now just pick whichever you like best. :)
- Just want to say, "it's been swell, but the swelling's gone down" is a fantastic turn of phrase that I will be stealing
  
  I stole it from Tank Girl first, but I don't think she'd mind.
- We'd wondered where the nearly 1.9k subscribers came from completely out of nowhere!
  LoL, that's really great! 🤣🤣🤣
  Basically, neither handled images very well
  You can always use these to upload image
  https://imgur.io/
  https://postimages.org/
  https://imgbox.com/
  https://imgbb.com/
  https://www.imagebam.com/
  On lemmy you can use this code to display image
  ![](https://some.site/image.jpg)
  
  It wasn't the way images uploaded, it was more that kbin's image previews absolutely skullfucked the aspect ratio of anything that wasn't roughly in a 3:4 aspect ratio, making a bunch of deeply touching photos look like goofy funhouse mirrors.
  We were like, "Shit.... Is.... Is this on purpose? Are the people behind kbin some kind of weirdos who believe in 3:4 aspect ratio supremacy??" so we thought, "Eh..... Maybe we'd better make a Lemmy too, in case kbin doesn't figure their shit out".
  Because, honestly? Our faith in humanity was at an all-time low and we were running out of time before people began leaving reddit for new platforms. Throw everything against the wall and see what sticks, right?
- Are you going to merge/consolidate the topics/posts from each of the two servers with each other, or just keep two sets of posts/topics, one on each server?
  
  We feel it's still too soon to make that choice but it's a possibility in the future.
- The good thing is that on lemmy it looks like you can delete communities.
  
  We probably wouldn't delete it, just leave a link at the top explaining we've migrated and lock it so it isn't accepting new posts.
  I wouldn't want someone who submitted a treasured photo and got a bunch of positive feedback to lose it forever in the name of ruthless efficiency.
- To add to that, there was a bit of a time limit in which we had reason to believe we needed to secure the name so that it wouldn't be taken by certain persons and then just sat upon with no activity.

This is the sort of action I love to see. Reddit thinks they own the moderators who are working for free. They want slaves. Fuck them.
- From the very start, ever subreddit should have challenged Reddit and called their bluff. Go ahead, replace the mods for thousands of subreddits. If a few dozen are changed, that's no problem. Whatever. But thousands? Good luck.
  The whole protest seemed so half-hearted from the start. You don't go on strike with a set end-date in mind. You go on strike indefinitely until demands are met or a satisfactory compromise is made.
  
  I will say that the short blackout was enough to get me onto the Fediverse. I didn't even use the apps that would be affected by the API shutdown, so I never would have noticed the controversy without the blackout.
  But once the blackout was announced, I recognized how far reddit was willing to go in service of harvesting its users' data. And after that point, I just didn't feel good on the site anymore. (Granted, I first created an account on Mastodon because the people calling for blackouts never mentioned Lemmy. But still!)
  Between Facebook's notification system repeatedly failing to direct me to comment replies, Twitter DDoSing itself, and reddit turning into the Eye of Sauron (which, again, I would not have even noticed happening were it not for the short protest), it seemed like the perfect time to exit the sinking ship of corporate social media.
  Meaning they did something. Maybe they didn't avert the reddit apocalypse, but they still did something.
  
  I was saying this from day one, we aren't teachers or nurses or someone who may feel they owe society some information about their strike.
  People literally could not promise to stay away from a website for a week. The strike should have been indefinite it was our chance to try and save it. Now it's lost to me.
  
  There was never a chance for compromise. This was about money; a premature, over blown, knee jerk, pie-in-the-sky hope to cash in on free expert input based on decades of good will interactions performed for free by people who cared about their subject matter.
  I deleted every comment I'd ever made and left pretty much immediately. They can eat their own shit.
  
  Because they can’t bear to touch grass for more than 2 days and can’t live without their power trip
- Lemmy must use free moderators as well?
  
  Lemmy doesn't have a CEO who expects them to make him money.
  
  Many admins accept donations. I'm not sure about mods

That's pretty daring of them to do, they're risking their severance package by so publicly making their former employer look so bad. Oh wait...
- You trying to tell me mods did their jobs for free
  
  We'll never know since they signed a NDA in exchange for compensation
  Oh wait...

!accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone for us lemmy folks
...why did they make two comms though when kbin and lemmy work together?
- Maybe because, like me, they don't understand the difference
  
  For your reference: for all intents and purposes there isn’t one. Lemmy accounts can interact and follow kbin communities and vice versa. You don’t need accounts on both, though you can if you choose.
  
  Imagine I have a ship in space and you have a ship and we share comms between us.
  
  They should probably join Lemmy.world tbh
- Because when this all happened, both had serious drawbacks and we were a bit afraid that either kbin or Lemmy might spontaneously combust altogether and we'd have nothing.
  Our trust in social networks was not exactly great at that moment.
  We might consolidate to one or the other in the future.

I'm so happy to see this community join us here, especially not being a mega-community with the same icon. We know the one on here.
I feel the more niche communities migrations will have a bigger impact. That something like politics or whatnot wouldn't. Like even Fuckcars is here, because Fuck cars.

Feel kind of honored. One of the posts that the founding mod pulled over was a pic of my dog.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/564838
- Is that a magic helmet?
  Second question: Does your dog also have a sword?
  Third question: Does your dog want to kill the wabbit?
- I actually thought of you when I posted it bc I remember when you (or your spouse?) posted it to the OG sub and whatnot! I was like... should I try to get in touch first to see if it's ok to post it, and then I forgot to do that and posted it anyway lol.
  
  Haha. All good. Here’s the original resolution file if you want it.
  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SH6RVYVxKPphOCfWYQJjtUlxQv5_E8vy/view?usp=drivesdk
  DM us if you’re ever in the San Francisco area and want to grab a drink!
- That's a really good shot!
- Long Boi. What a photogenic dog.

I wish every single subreddit would follow suit.
- Maybe not every single one

Welcome to LemmyVille it’s nice here we have
dietary advice
antique meme
screenshot
bean
I love accidental renaissance one of my favourite subs x
- Also, infinite layers of meta commentary and criticism of the meta and criticism of that criticism... I'm home
- Thank you!

Their heart was at the right place... But they didn't really understand federation huh. Splitting their communities like that is asking for less engagement and more user confusion. Just create it on Lemmy, interact with it using your Kbin user, and then it will federate and you can still provide the Kbin link if you so desire.
- It was intentional. They didn't 100% like either site so they made a community on both. They are seeing which they prefer after some use and development.
  Everyone here is acting like they're idiots who don't understand the internet. They were high level mods.
  
  This right here.

Okay, those are some mods I can respect.

Is blahaj.zone getting hugged to death? Link don't work
- Security measures due to vulnerability.

For those of you browsing from lemmy.world here is how to access it and stay logged in:
https://lemmy.world/c/accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
- if you do !accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone it works with any instance
  
  That's the only one that works.
  
  After a long scroll, finally found a comment with a proper link
- If you drop the first half, the web version and most apps will open the community in your instance.
  /c/accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  
  MVP
  
  404 not found.
  This is going well!
- "You are not logged in"
- Thanks! Kind of annoying that this is required just now, either there's an easier way that I'm just too dumb to see - or I imagine this process will be made easier in future (hopefully near) :D
  
  I imagine some sort of autocomplete feature could be made which provides a dropdown menu of communities and instances based on what you type after "/c/".

This has been awesome. I’m finding out about communities I’ve never known about but starting with Lemmy to follow. Thanks Reddit for making all of the worst decisions all at once.
I REALLY like it here the most. After a couple weeks, I’m barely missing it over there (I really miss Apollo, not Reddit, thank you to Voyager for providing a similar experience).
- Reddit’s and Twitter’s recent move have been the best thing that happened to the Fediverse.
  Hope we’re getting close to the critical mass required for more people to start adopting it !
  
  I’m of the opinion I don’t want critical mass. The experience right now with the most technical savvy people in most communities has been my favorite part.
  Let’s leave the combative, competitive and bot-riddled users over there. lol

It’s clear that people prefer Lemmy over Kbin, for some reason. Over 2k users in the Lemmy community vs. only 900 on Kbin.
- for some reason
  I joined a bunch of instances (including kbin) with a bunch of different usernames, and have mostly stopped visiting kbin. The default browser interface isn't as good: no collapsing comments, unintuitive displays of what magazine/community you're on (thread links weirdly prioritize telling you which instance hosts the community rather than which of that instance's local communities it is), etc.
  This UI/UX stuff matters, I think. After all, a big part of the reddit migration was prompted by users being forced off of their preferred interface.
  
  There are some great userscripts to check out for enhancing Kbin with collapsible comments etc until the;kimplement them natively btw
- it is quite difficult to use kbin to aay the least, as the user interface is more friendly here
  
  The UI for both is just reddit. And Kbin has a PWA that functions like a native app. The only issue I've found (on my phone at least), is some formatting issues with certain buttons.
- I hate the way they handle images. I was browsing kbin on my phone, and they show images 3 or 4 times as wide as tall. They put a tiny little thumbnail of the original image that fits in there, on a background of a blurred version of a strip of the image. It looks awful, and you can't even click on it to see the image. You click once and it takes you to the thread, and you need to click a second time to see the image. Then back a couple times to get back to where you were.
  tl/dr, kbin had me first, and I left because I didn't like the UI.
- Kbin seems to have some trouble viewing content in lemmy, but lemmy seems to have no trouble viewing kbin content, something about federated server being incomplete. I don't know enough about federation to diagnose the problem or who is responsible, but lemmy account sees more stuff so that's where I went.
  
  Yeah that's the main issue w/kbin.
- Timing and word of mouth.
  For myself I didn't even know Kbin existed until after the Reddit drama happened and I moved over to Lemmy.
  
  Kbin is also a worse name...
- Kbin tries to be two things at once. Lemmy is Lemmy.
- I actually prefer kbin.(social). It hasn't had nearly as much downtime and errors and whatnot as I've experienced on lemmy. Which is remarkable since Lemmy has been around for a few years whereas kbin is fairly recent.
  Like, there are always growing pains, so I get it, and with all the influx of new users there can be issues, so not a big deal.
  I think Lemmy's more popular mostly because for whatever reason it's the catchall name for the fediverse right now. IDK if there's any like (very mild) astroturfing going on, or the name is just catchy, or what.
  
  It's the name that's catchy, and word of mouth when the Reddit drama happen, people weren't mentioning Kbin that much.
  Also Kbin sounded like a website for uploading pictures of programming code that you want to send to another programmer. It's a very utility sort of name, where Lemmy is a very cosmetic sort of name.
  
  If want an unprovoked opinion of a new join, I picked Lemmy because it was a simple word I could pronounce. I'm not saying kbin would be difficult to figure out, but having a simple name to pronounce is an easy "Welcome" sign to the newbies.
  I should probably check around kbin at some point and I might even like it better. I just found what worked for me and I'm hesitant to change anything right now.......okay you motivated me, I'll check it out this weekend.
  
  To me, Lemmy looks and works like reddit used to. Kbin looks like reddit's awful mobile client 🤮
- @meldrik Lemmy came first. It's got that going for it. Personally, I can't abide by the dev's politics, so I am team Kbin.
  
  What's with politics?
  
  What's with politics?
- I like #kbin, but I haven’t figured out how to post there from my mastodon account yet.

Test
😂 You all are funny

Great! I wonder if Reddit will forcibly reopen r/AccidentalRenaissance like they said in their press release during the blackout.

I'm so fucking happy. I went looking for an equivalent Lemmy community only a couple of days ago and there wasn't really anything. But now here are the OGs!

Good on them, I was subscribed to that subreddit for the longest time and I'm glad to see they've made the transition. I'd love to see r/AskHistorians make the transition too, as that's an amazing subreddit with great information.
- Hoping that one makes the transition myself. I would also love to see r/AcademicBiblical make the move. It was a great collection of resources and academic-level discussion of ancient judeo-christian religion. I mod three communities right now, and c/BiblicalStudies at !biblicalstudies@lemmy.world is the only one I made with the hopes of one day handing it off completely to someone with more expertise than me. Doesn't have to be the reddit mods (I disagree with that idea), just someone better suited for that rigorous of a community
  
  I loved Academic biblical too! Also I can't remember the sub name but religious/atheism debates I find intriguing. Oh ofc debate an atheist was one, debate a Christian iirc was another. Would love to see a giant instance that covers debates between all religions and atheism, the noachides, Jewish, Christian's, Muslims, Buddhists even Hinduism I love all religious debate!

Sweet. Loved that sub. Now I can join again.
- Same!
- https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/f9228ab4-1f5c-4aaa-b371-b8409f1c7b30.jpeg

This is the type of movement I've been looking forward to. I still visit Reddit but not for Reddit's sake. I go for the high quality subs with tight moderation and good content that are still on Reddit. Once they move out, there's no reason to stay on.
- I refuse to download their shit, and as such, I have no access to it. I don't visit reddit on my computer, never have, never will.
  Bacon went tits up at around 7PM pacific for me, and that was that. My last post was a farewell message to one of my subs, and I don't even know what my last comment was. The baconreader icon still sits on my top 4 buttons at the bottom of my phone screen, and I've opened it first thing in the morning once or twice since, but it's borked, and that's that. I'll put a Lemmy reader app there once I decide which one it's gonna be...
  C'est la fucking vie reddit.

Subbed! 🙏🏾🙏🏾 Thank you!

That is great news to hear!

Nice
- Nice

One of my favorite subreddits

That's the spirit! Get the fuck in!

Subscribed kbin, Lemmy is giving an error ATM. Welcome aboard!
- can someone explain to me the difference between kbin and Lemmy before we get too far into this and I'm too scared to ask
  
  I'm a little lost myself, so take this with a grain of salt, but....
  kbin has more complete microblogging integration. I don't understand what it looks like or feels like, but here on Lemmy, I believe you can only post URLs-to and screenshots-of Mastodon posts. Not the posts themselves.
  The ActivityPub protocol underneath Mastodon and Lemmy technically supports that kind of interoperability. That's why Mastodon users can comment on Lemmy posts and on Lemmy comments. But Lemmy has not yet adopted that feature. As far as I know.
  kbin has.
  As far as I can tell by reading the Redditor's guide to how Kbin works your what/how-to guide over on reddit, it appears that microblogging posts can be made from within kbin.
  Which makes kbin a combination twitter/reddit. And it makes Lemmy a "reddit, but twitter users can find our posts and comment on them using their Twitter account in such a way so that they're visible even to us Lemmy users, and boost our comments and posts to their followers."
  
  They both talk the same protocol but are different softwares mainly different UI's really I think
  
  They're different programs that do the same thing and communicate with the same protocol. Some servers run Lemmy, others run kbin. They have slightly different featuresets (afaik kbin integrates some microblogging functionality in addition to threaded comments and link aggregation) but it's really a matter of preference.

JOIN THE RESISTANCE
- /c/AccidentalResistance

Respect 🤌

Fantastic news
- Thats a nice name you got there Uguluk.
  Uglúk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob búb-hosh skai.
  
  Thank you. Been using this name for video games since I was a kid because of LOTR lol

I guess I should have created a resignation letter when I abandoned /r/skin.
- Thanks for contributing to the cause!!

One of the best subs hands down. Sad to see it go but happy that I can subscribe again

I wish I could see more subreddits do this and finally make the switch to lemmy. I want reddit to have just a bunch of teenagers and elderly who have no idea what's going on using it. it'll be a big fuck you to spez

Keep them coming

I'm excited to see Lemmy grow in the next year :)

More of this please!

Noice, but 2 communities

https://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/170872/how-can-i-subscribe-to-a-remote-community-on-lemmy this helped my learn something today!
- https://lemmy.world/c/accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  And there's the direct URL.
  
  Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone

Welcome

Oh this is great news, I've missed seeing AccidentalRenaissance posts

Hell yeah, I love their content.

r/AccidentalFuckspezans.

It's happening!

Do not worry, I already replaced them!

Bravo! Congratulations for you stance!

Yeeeesssss! One of my very favorite subreddits. So happy to see them here!
- I subscribed immediatly. Hope to see more subs migrating over here!

Ugh. I’m still new here on Lemmy, can’t seem to find a way to subscribe. I’m using Memmy. Any thoughts?
- In Memmy, click “search”, type in the community name, and click “search communities”
  The cool thing is you don’t even have to type the whole community name. I was able to just put “accident” as my search and it came up. So click the comm and then click the subscribe button
  
  Thank you. You are cool.
- Click on the search button on Memmy, type “accidentalrenaissance” in the bar then click to search communities. Both the kbin and the blahzone communities show for me there, pick which one you’d prefer and subscribe. Or both. You can do both.
  
  Thank you! You are cool!
  
  When I search in Memmy and in browser, only lemmy communities show up, I went through all the app setting but I don’t see anything that could change this. Any ideas?

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Oh nice, they're on kbin

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