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10mo ago

Thank you American software

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A true patriot supports local spyware!
- Please log my IP address. This is a house that loves Managed Democracy^tm
  
  Please log my IP address.
  127.0.0.1
  Checkmate. We're watching you.
  
  democracy officers would be proud
- Hahahahahah
- I guess your world is only black and white ay?
  
  They are being sarcastic.

I don't discriminate. I say the data protection of all of these services is terrible and you shouldn't use them.
- I think users should embrace data harvesting and passively run chatGPT powered bots to generate more mindless data
  
  Is there some way to trick the chatgpt training bots by intentionally mislabeling data? Like can I upload some ~~furry pornography~~ tasteful erotica and label it "AP US history assignment - Civil War"?

This forced sale of TikTok for national security is a farce because they were already forced to move their service to the US on an American-owned hosting provider, and they have already put people with a history of aligning with “American interests” into executive positions, like CEO Shou Zi Chew and vice president Michael Beckerman. I think the US “intelligence community” already has everything it needs to monitor and control TikTok.
- I have a geoIP alias on my firewall and can still see TikTok sending telemetry to a Chinese CDN.
  
  If so, then maybe the US “intelligence community” doesn’t actually see that as a problem, despite the cold war propaganda.
- It doesn't matter where the servers are located physically but who can access the data that's on them
  
  They were physically relocated to the US so that the US can access the data, as people like Edward Snowden and Mark Klein have shown us. I’m sure the US knows precisely what data is and isn’t being sent to China.

23andMe is much, much worse than the others due to the nature of the data it sells.
- Also, you don't actually need to share your own data to be vulnerable. Some stupid relative sharing their genetic information is enough to have some ideas about you. I'm fortunate that it's hasn't caught on in my home country.
  
  I feel like caring about heritage in this way is a pretty North-American (or maybe immigrant country in general) thing in the first place
- How do you mean?
  
  I consider your personal genetic data to be a much more dangerous thing to sell, at least in the long term, compared to browser history.

How come every thread I see about this topic, there is nobody who is concerned about letting the federal government dictate which apps you can and cannot use to communicate with other people? This is some 1984 shit.
- Because it isn't new nor special.
  Apps are a Service and services have been and are regulated for decades now and the system have been always arbitrary as fuck.
  In the case of TikTok, the west, as a military alliance, should be concerned due to the nature of current valid Chinese laws and the implications of it.
  And e.g. facebook has proven that they don't like to stick to rules about how to handle data. In case of TikTok, this could easily have bigger implications for e.g. the American military.
  
  If it's really about the military as you suggest then the extremely easy solution is to order service members not to use Tik Tok.
  Passing a specific law to compell the sale of one specific company is arguably some sort of Bill of Attainder, which I'm sure ByteDance's lawyers will be argueing as soon as Biden's pen touches paper.
  
  Well, you can expect China doing the same. This kind of behaviour triggers retalliation.

I would say make laws about data collection, usage, etc. instead of banning TikTok.
Heck, fix more important problems like income disparity, hunger, homelessness, healthcare, our wasteful spending, so many things more important and yet we're wasting time on TikTok.
I don't think people think this is a good use of time.
Seriously, it's government overreach and ignoring freedom of speech, etc.
- We can agree that there is at least a slight difference in having your own (or a friendly nation’s) Government tracking you, versus allowing a competing nation to have direct access to over half of the adult US population (as per their recent push-notification stunt), as well as a robust collection of their interests and preferences.
  There is a reason China has banned most US-based software in the mainland (Meta, Google, etc.); in favour of self-developed alternatives. This is just treatment in kind; it’s not an outright ban, rather a forced sale to prevent more of that user data falling into dubious hands.
  
  I'm not really ok with that type of anti other country behavior in (edit to add the word: almost) any case. Heck, I want cheap Chinese EV options in the US too.
  Make government (and other) tracking opt-out-able by law. That is the law we need. Not this bs version.
  This current bill literally sounds like it's written by American companies to squash a foreign competition. You know Facebook, YouTube, etc. are biting at the teeth for more users (and ad revenue) of short form content; especially if TikTok users scattered to other platforms.
  Once again: give users the freedom to chose what they want. This is a government overreach.
  
  Yes, there is a difference. Having your own government spy on you is way worse because it has the monopoly on violence over you. No one protects you from that. But your government will (try to) protect you from foreign influences.
  There is a reason for the outrage when PRISM came out of the closet.
  
  There is a reason China has banned most US-based software in the mainland
  I'm not at all saying what the USA is doing is right, but I find it hilarious Beijing is upset about it.
  "It's only OK when we do it!!!"

"we will harvest your DNA and put a literal implant into your brain"

Spying on user data is a constitutional right of US companies, what are the poor going to live on when they can't traffic with your data, or when a disgusting red communist company steals their bread? A little more proper patriotism, guys. Bad enough that the EU is cutting the wings of this companies, therefore also don't use EU apps to make America great again.

Isn't spotify European?
- No, owned by Meta aka Facebook
  
  Well actually IS mostly owned by europe entitities and individual shareholders. Only the founders and some europe capital mamooths had +50% of it

Spottily is a Swedish company
- Sweden is not an adversary of the United States.
- Is it illegal for Swedish companies to store user data? Is it illegal for them to sell user data? Do they have very strict rules about showing users every time and how data they generate is saved?
- Came here to say this

Just install an alternative app Store like Aurora or install it directly from TikTok sites.
For open source projects, you can also use Obtainium or F-Droid
- Oh really? This ban won't effect people who use (for example) F-Droid to get the app?? That's great to hear tbh. Hopefully this stupid ass decision will have the effect of turning more people on to FOSS stuff more than it will actually prevent people from using TikTok.
  
  I don't think they will put it on fdroid, because it has to really be open source to be there, but there's certainly other app stores which will have it.
  How can a ban be enforced? It's always thru Google app Store or IP, and you can always bypass both.
  In Aurora Store there's TikTok. You can install aurora store here:
  https://aurorastore.org/
  In Worst case you can try finding the official tiktok .APK install somewhere
- Aurora displays currently no app, be it anonymous or with login. Anyone knows why? I need it to reinstall my banking access app, dammit.
  
  Aurora sometimes malfunctions. Try reinstalling it

What about them ISPs?
- A VPN and OpenWrt?
  
  Then the VPN has your data, and also your ISP depending on how secure your setup is

Wtf is Spotify doing?
- Gathering and selling your data.
  
  So much data to infer from your music tastes. Listening to music about breakup? You had a breakup yourself. Listening to classical music? You're a top earner. Listening to Eminem? You like mom's spaghetti.
  
  Selling to who?
- the service serves ads, anything that will serve ads will also typically create a profile on users preference to then have targetted ads.
  
  Still it's not American but swedish

I don't think 23andme and TikTok are even comparable to the rest of the list.

Makes me remember when UK and France invaded China and forced then to commercialize opium and destroy their country:
"The First Opium War was fought from 1839 to 1842 between China and Britain. It was triggered by the Chinese government's campaign to enforce its prohibition of opium, which included destroying opium stocks owned by British merchants and the British East India Company. The British government responded by sending a naval expedition to force the Chinese government to pay reparations and allow the opium trade.[1] The Second Opium War was waged by Britain and France against China from 1856 to 1860, and consequently resulted in China being forced to legalise opium."
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars
- Social media addiction is not quite the same thing as opium addiction
  
  Of course not, but can also make people unproductive and by guiding the content you can make the whole population acquire stupid behaviours
- Excuse me, but I have a hard time seeing how is these two events are related?
  
  Hi, UK forced China to get their country destroyed, and no an UK-derived country is complaining that China is destroy them.
  
  Unless they're implying that Chinese software will fail and bow down to "western software", I'm not seeing a link either.

Yes but TikTok only let the evil Chinese spy on you, while the others only allow good old Uncle Sam to spy on you.
Ah who am I kidding, they'll all hand your data over to any old cunt.

~~Buy~~ Spy local.

At least google gives me an invaluable map program

Lol, so true

US companies != US federal government
- US federal gov already got their hand in companies ass.
  
  reverse order
- At first I thought you were being serious, but I think this is a joke? That Americans don't care how many companies spy on them as long as it's not the government?
  Which, is laughable because of course the government has contacts at everyone one of these companies and they'd gladly hand over your data then go to court to protect it
- Chinese companies != Chin...wait.
- Ever heard about CLOUD act?
- All of the US corporate social media platforms are part of the US military-industrial-intellegence complex. Look at their boards of directors and executives. Look at the Twitter Files. Look Hamilton 68.
  Look at Reddit:
  Facebook Partners With Hawkish Atlantic Council, a NATO Lobby Group, to “Protect Democracy”
  Jessica Ashooh: The taming of Reddit and the National Security State Plant tabbed to do it
  A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
  r/neoliberal was created by a neoliberal think tank » BPR Interviews: The Neoliberal Project
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  They have their eye on the fediverse now as well: Atlantic Council » Collective Security in a Federated World
  
  You're also misunderstanding. I won't deny that US companies seek profit wherever they can, even from unethical sources. I also don't doubt their involvement with law enforcement and intelligence agencies. But a company seeking profit through a partnership with the United States federal government is not the same as the totalitarian Chinese government requiring oversight of Chinese companies.
  It might not seem like a big difference to you, but it's an important one to me.

discord is also largely chinese btw
- Regardless of what country "controls" it, Discord is bad for many other reasons as well.

Keep spamming, maybe you'll astroturf successfully at some point.
- ???
  
  Look at their post history

This meme is a bit dishonest because its about Chinese government harvesting this data not about companies harvesting it. Both are bad but ones substantially worse.
- Yeah, if China wants the data of Americans they should buy it from American companies, not harvest it themselves.
  They're not mad about leaking data, they're mad that China is drinking their milkshake.
- American companies have way more power over my life than the Chinese government
- How the Chinese government having my (Westerner's in a NATO country) data is any worse than Western (and thus subpoenable by the Western governments) corporations having it?
  
  Cause somebody is selling the Chinese king false dreams of invading America. And maybe having documents on every American citizen would be helpful post invasion.
  Source: anonymous internet poster
- The bill actually addresses any foreign adversary.

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