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Chinese police will patrol in Hungary alongside Hungarian officers after an agreement with Budapest, raising fears of Beijing oppression being meted out in Europe

www.telegraph.co.uk Chinese police set to patrol alongside Hungarian officers

Agreement with Budapest raises fears of Beijing’s growing influence in Europe

Hungary’s interior ministry claimed the deal would improve safety in tourist hotspots or during events that attract large numbers of spectators.

But the plan has drawn criticism from those concerned the agreement will be abused by communist China, which has a lengthy record of human rights abuses.

The patrols could be the first step to establishing secret police stations or used to intimidate the overseas Chinese community, they warned.

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Chinese police set to patrol alongside Hungarian officers

www.telegraph.co.uk /world-news/2024/03/09/chinese-police-patrol-alongside-hungarian-officers/

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WTF?!
I thought China denied that there are any Chinese "police" stations in Europe?
I hope the EU permanently cuts Hungary's funding and takes away their voting rights now. This fascist shit in the middle of Europe has to stop.
- I wish kicking out Orbán would become a topic in the election this year
- I thought China denied that there are any Chinese "police" stations in Europe?
  They deny all sorts of things:
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/05/italy-home-11-unofficial-chinese-police-stations-world
- 230,000 Chinese "persuaded to return" from abroad, China to establish Extraterritoriality --- (Sep 2022)
  A new law adopted 2 September, going into effect 1 December, establishes full extraterritoriality over Chinese and foreigners globally for certain crimes (fraud, telecom fraud, online scams, etc.)
  A follow-up to this investigation with additional information, 'Patrol and Persuade', has been released in Dec 2022, and again in Nov 2023, 'China's Consular Volunteers.'
  There are lot of other reports across the web, e.g., for Netherlands, the U.S., and many others.

Why does China need to extend its police to patrol globally exactly?
- Lets them spy on Chinese nationals who are studying and working in the west
  That's also the big thing security experts are actually worried about when they talk about the threat posed by TikTok,
  It's not that it spies just on you, it's that your instance is also spying on everyone around you. It'll identify Chinese nationals in your proximity and start collecting data on what they're up to, and if Beijing doesn't like what they're seeing, those police will pay them a visit, not to arrest them of course, just to let them know how disappointed their families will be in them...from inside the reeducation camp.
  
  Does Hungary have a lot of Chinese expats?
- They do it covertly, too.
  China wants to maintain full control of anyone who it views as it’s citizens (importantly distinct from actual citizens), regardless of whether or not they’re in China, and regardless of whether or not they have PRC citizenship or not.
  Most nations would object to this, especially if it involves the PRC exerting jurisdiction within the host country’s borders, potentially on the host country’s citizens, and almost certainly on the host country’s legal residents. Orban, evidently, does not.
- Not to defend either, but why does the United States. It's wrong for either. But at least if a country's leadership invites them in. That's on the leadership. And while I'm still for basic gun control. Hungary, if you're listening, don't let them take all your guns. As much as the cult members in the US babble about nothing. If it ever actually happened, the outcome has never been good.
  I dearly love all these down votes. LOL. By being unhypocritical and consistent, it's somehow enough to piss all of y'all off. Even though I agree that China doing this is bad. Simply because I said it's bad when the US has done it in the past as well. You all lose your shit.
  Actually looking back on this now. I can kind of see how this may have stirred up so many of you. I said China was wrong for doing this. That stirred up the Marxist leninists and tankies. But also pointed out that it's wrong for America or any other country to do that. Which brought out a screeching horde of neoliberal apologists and imperials. Then I said I supported gun control. Which stirred up the hornet's nest of conservatives. But said that they should protect their access to guns to defend themselves against what's to come. Which just pissed off neoliberals again. I guess there's something mildly heartwarming about it. When you can see groups that so often hypocritically fight against each other so much. Actually be able to come together and attack the same thing/person. Because their shared hypocrisy was exposed.
  
  Do US police patrol the streets of cities overseas? First I’ve heard of it.
  
  Simply because I said it's bad when the US has done it in the past as well.
  This a great example of "whataboutism".
  
  I think people are pissed off because you state your point in such bad grammar that it borders on unintelligible and vaguely sounds supportive of the Chinese action... And then turn around and write 3 paragraphs against the haters instead of formating your original text.

I had to do a double take on that headline. What the hell, it's actually real.

I guess I was wrong about Orbán. He seemed to want his boots licked, turns out he wants to be a bootlicker. Go figure.
- It's like the human centipede, but it's a circle, Putler, Orban, Xi.

Baffling. I read the article but wondering if some kind of rationalization is outlined somewhere else.
Police represent the authority of the state and have a monopoly on violence. They only "earn" that monopoly because ostensibly they have been authorized democratically by the people. (Much more could be said about that) Chinese police in Hungary do not represent Hungarian people and so they should not be in any kind of position of authority.
- "They only "earn" that monopoly because ostensibly they have been authorized democratically by the people."
  Well, that might be the social framework fir a democracy. But we are talking about Hungary here.
  
  Lol hence "much more could be said about that"

How many foreign police offices does China allow within its borders?
- Minus eleven

You see police brutality from wish.com is 70% cheaper than local police brutality so this is a win for every Hungarian

Oh my god im so fucking lucky i moved away from that shithole. Sadly my sister goes to school there and my grandmother still lives there.
- F

What in the fucking hell
edit: like, what in the fucking fuck?

You mean the guy who was just in Mar-A-Lago?
- THIS!

Are they like fining Chinese tourist there or what are they supposed to do? Ignoring the fact that foreign police has no say on Hungarian soil.

Looks like the EU parliament needs to say "no fucking way"...so maybe in 5-10 years Hungary will get a sternly written letter.
But hey, I phones have to have USB-Cs so....
....yeah
- USB-C on phones is a good thing. The reason why the USB-C requirement passed while pressure on the Hungarian government fails is not because more people worked on the USB-C directive than work on strategies to pressure the Hungarian government. Rather there were considerably fewer people working against the USB-C directive.
  
  I was being ficticios...silly...ironic...

Isn’t Hungary and Orban the guy that always talks about how dangerous western countries have become due to liberal/progressive laws while their conservative approach is keeping crime low? So do they have low crime and no need, high crime and a need for support, or low crime but with no sustainable way to keep policing at that level?

China should be completely isolated.

Sketchy af, but my opinion will depend alot on what exactly will be done.
In certain places in Germany (e.g. Nürnberg train station) the US military police is patrolling (or used to patrol) together with regular German police, because there have been incidents in the past of US army personnel not listening to german police.
- Are there incidents of overseas Chinese not listening to the Hungarian police? If not, what's the justification here?
  
  I don't know, I'm just saying there could be actual reasons for it and it's not a bad thing per se.
  Edit: the article says the justification is
  helping to improve communication between the citizens and the authorities of the two countries
  There are a ton of Chinese speakers. I can imagine small tourist spots getting overwhelmed during Chinese school holidays. Having translators with some authority can greatly increase crowd control.
- What a weird solution to a foreign power soldiers not obeying local law enforcement. Just lock them up, or let the German soldiers handle it.
  
  Seems pretty elegant to me. Don’t U.S. troops have a whole bunch of additional military laws? This way local police don’t need to learn all of that nonsense and the U.S. military get to hold their people to that higher standard while also helping each other out. Probably cheaper and better results for both?
  
  The German military is not allowed to act inside the country. Only exception is natural disaster relief. We have special police forces for high stakes situations like terrorist attacks.
  But when there is a fight between 20 well trained soldiers who just don't give a fuck, what is the police supposed to do? Besides, the army police has more leverage and can influence the soldiers career and stuff as well.
  It's not an ideal solution. Having a foreign entity project power - yikes! (even if it is just for their own subjects) but it's a solution.

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