Trump is degenerating rapidly before our eyes — why MAGA voters don't notice
The GOP is so consumed by incoherent QAnon babble that Trump's deterioration doesn't register
This is why it's essential for those debates to happen. Yes, both men are declining mentally, but Biden can at least make a coherent argument, even if he mixes up names sometimes.
There is no excuse for either candidate to avoid debates anymore. we need to hear them talk, without prepared speeches. I will take Biden's odds on that over Trump's any day.
If Biden wins this thing, I think history will find that the reason he beat Trump twice was that he was not at all intimidated by him. He takes Trump seriously, but also has the courage to call him out for the liar he is, convincingly, without dismissing his supporters as a bunch of losers. That takes a bit of confidence that only age can bring. Maybe Bernie could have done it, but I don't think any other candidate could. Clinton absolutely failed at that.
And to clarify here. Biden is declining because we all do at that age. No one is immune to that. Trump is declining because he has abused who knows how many different drugs and fuck knows what else over the decades, add that history to age and it's never going to be good. Biden has always had a stutter and while I know you didn't mention it, it's been used a bully stick by the maggats seemingly unaware of the fact that their guy has been deranged and unable to stay on topic for years.
Shit, I'm 34 and I mix up names sometimes. If I had to keep track of as many people as he does, I'd mix up names all the time.
This right here. I'm (soon to be) 43 and I've always been bad with names. I drive for a living (uber, etc and my own service) I see so many people and have so many regulars that it's only the most frequent regulars and those with unique names who I could pick out of a lineup.
It is important that, eventually, they are told they are removed losers though.... Even if Trump wins.
The person in the chair stopped being important quite a while ago. Now both parties just have lists of smart/rich people willing to implement their specific policies, and they try not to fire critically important gov employees.
I'm not both siding the issue. One side attracts all the Nazis and KKK.
Republican voters: "Does he still piss off the many, many, many groups of people we openly hate and wish harm upon more than any other candidate could?"
Well yes, but what does that have to do with effective governance?
Republican voters: "what the fuck is governance?"
This is almost word-for-word an interaction I had with a coworker yesterday. Said she voted Orange this primary because "he's the only one to fix this damn gender issue", so I asked her what she thought of his policies on foreign affairs and the domestic wage gap.
I got a double-chinned shrug and an "idunno". Lmfao our country is going to burn because a vast swath of people would rather see hundreds of thousands prosecuted for socially-engineered offenses instead of nurturing the human condition.
On a solemn note, our country's governance has become a joke. A circus of clowns too busy honking horns and throwing pies at each other to notice the tent around them is ablaze. To everyone, please, do not take our country's governance as a joke. Serious, irreversible consequences oft come from impotent or non-existent legislative power.
We stand at a precipice, so please vote. Vote. VOTE. VOTE.
It's so strange but also so obvious that Americans who love Trump have the exact same worries about the world that Putin's voters, the Russian country bumpkins, had when they still were able to vote in non-sham elections: Gender and gender roles, homosexuality, the end of toxic masculinity, etc. It's all they care about, and I think it speaks volumes about their innermost fears about their own lives.
If only they just realized as long as trans people and democrats have rights, so will they. They want so badly to be oppressed
They want both victimhood and domination, at the same time, and being able to hold that wild dissonance in their heads without alarm bells going off is what makes them Republicans. Republican media has trained them into believing that being both victim and oppressor is a perfectly valid position to hold, and because it feels good to believe that, that they deserve to be powerful enough hurt others and also bear no responsibility for that power as they are the victims of the people they want to hurt, many do.
They aren't special or anything, critical thinking and reasoning must be taught. Without that, most people rely on their feelings. The Nazis convinced massive swaths of Germans that because Jews and other groups they hated were "victimizing the German people," scapegoating them of course, the German people should allow the Nazis to murder them in their name, guilt free because clearly the german people were the victims of these scapegoats.
Herd mentality is a hell of a drug. So is Schadenfreude. American Republicans are addicted to both. Not entirely their fault either, Fox "News" and other right wing propaganda made them into what they've become over decades. Free speech weaponized into a a cancerous means of indoctrination through appealing to fear and hatred.
Nance was a shitty governor anyways.
It's not a question of whether or not they notice, it's a question of whether or not they care. They don't vote for him because of his policies, they vote for him because he wants to hurt the people they don't like. They vote for him because "The Left" doesn't want him. He literally says his first day in office would be his Dictator Day and they ate it up.
I think they care, just not in a way normal people would - for Trump voters, it's 100% about trolling, annoying, hating, and secretly wishing dead anyone they deem to be the "outside group". And the worse Trump gets, the louder will that outside group's opposition to him be. Which in turn gives his followers great satisfaction. So they care in a negative way, along the lines of "the people we hate and want dead will be so outraged by his gaffes, the news will be soo delectable to watch tomorrow! I'll come so hard watching them rage!!"
Trump speeches may sound like listening to a four-year-old explain "The Lord of the Rings,"
LMAO
Don't talk back to Darth Vader, he'll getcha!
LOL that was great
they know that he'll let them hurt who they want to hurt and they don't care about anything else. I think to a lot of them a mentally incompetent trump is a bonus because he'll be easier to steer.
I doubt that. He seems like the angry type of dementia, not the clueless wander away from the white house and start walking toward New York type.
They are fine with a Weekend at Bernie's presidency so long as it brings them closer to the theocratic hellscape they want us to live in.
He's more useful as an incoherent, babbling dementia patient. Even more if dead. They can just turn him into a literal puppet.
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Is the question "why" really still a source of puzzlement to people? It's a cult. Jesus is long dead, or probably never existed, so he's even more "degenerated" than Trump, but that doesn't seem to be a problem for his followers.
Just going to take the opportunity to point out that broad (not universal) historical consensus is that Jesus of Nazareth existed, was baptised by John the Baptist, and was then crucified. It goes without saying that Jesus being the Son of God, Messiah etc. is not the broad consensus.
Jesus likely existed
What I find funny is scholars who analyzed The Bible have a TON of reason to believe Jesus was one of those, "THE END IS NIGH! IT IS COMING IN OUR LIFETIMES! THE END IS NIGH!" people which is
Fucking hilarious to imagine
have a TON of reason to believe Jesus was one of those,
What evidence is that? The fact that power doesn't have any reason to execute people for simply predicting the end of the world?
Becoming ever more cringier won't bring the heyday of edgelord atheism back.
What is edgelord atheism and when did it have a heyday?
Even Jimmy Fallon, who tends to be cautious about mocking Trump, joked on Monday night, "It sounds like his brain got a flat," and suggested Trump's new campaign slogan should be "Trump 2024 WI-RI-BI-GYU ... AHHH."
Trump 2024
I'd vote for this dog. Bad comparison. One is a mindless idiot bumbling from treat to treat, the other a majestic dog living the best life.
Sticks for everyone! And water fountains on every street!
Because they have already degenerated?
They might notice, but they certainly don't care.
They just project all their failings on to 'the other', Everytime I hear magats going off how Biden is old and unfit I know Trump must have done something really done they feel the need to deflect and project. They are brainwashed into thinking admitting there is a problem is a sign of weakness, and any sign of weakness is an immediate disqualification, rather than a chance to improve.
Wish he'd degenerate quickly into a 6' hole.
He doesn't deserve the peace of a 6' hole. Make it 6", an open grave, and a public hole-in-the-ground bathroom.
Okie dokie
I had time to think for a bit. Please be advised that I'm not an American citizen and the following is purely conjecture.
Basically, I believe the US is FUBAR. There are 4 possible scenarios for the 5th of November:
The article mentions, as many have before, that the "conservative" way of "thinking" has become purely emotional. So what do you think will happen if either of the three first will come true? Someone will seize the day and shout some bullshit conspiracy or another and now 20-30% of your emotionally driven population will get set to "angry" and "revenge".
If he simply wins: Mission accomplished!
Now that I've thought a bit more, even (maybe especially?) if Biden wins in a landslide, the conspiracy spin could even be made stronger. Yikes. It might be the time of troubles on a very large scale and I reaaaaaaaaaly hope I'm totally wrong with all this!
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I think all of what you said, except maybe add a side of martyrdom on top of it. I've been saying since the last election, it's not Trump himself they need, he's only the figurehead to stir shit up. Get rid of him when he's outlived his usefulness and do it in a way that sets up someone who's liberal, brown, trans, gay, illegally in the country, or your choice of combination, and his followers will happily start a war and fight to the death to "avenge" him. Allow chaos to reign for awhile, then come in heavy handed to re-establish order and there go the rest of our freedoms "for the good and safety of everyone until things settle down".
There's a very good chance Trump's trial doesn't conclude until after voting day. At which point we may face the situation of having a President-Elect that is convicted of Insurrection.
We really should have just let the states ban the guy.
I don't forsee the second happening. Short of literal murder the rich dont end up in jail, and if they do its brief. Murica...
Edit "rich" but you know what I mean.
How can someone degenerate when they've always been a degenerate?
It would be best for everyone if he just keeled over before the election, tbh
Hamburger From Heaven 2024
hamberders
I feel like there would be parades in the streets if dude just had a massive heart attack while speaking on the road.
But then you get the conspiracy theorists saying the Deep State assassinated him. That'll make for some fireworks I'm sure.
There’s going to be stupid conspiracy theories no matter what. At least then we wouldn’t have to listen to him any more.
I think most Maga voters might prefer an ineffective president.
Yeah, pretty much everything one needs to know about what he'll do as President is laid out by Project 2025. His ability to actually govern is secondary to the apparent desire for our own little christofascist Cultural Revolution. Wheeeeee
To his supporters this is a feature, not a bug.
Trump supporters are like modern day graea, but sharing only one brain cell between each other.
Yeah but the graea knew stuff
Here's hoping he degenerates decomposes completely before the election.
"i don't like him but i have to vote for him" is what i get from the republican voters that i know. many democrats have a position regarding biden that is the same.
Because I'm not paying attention and don't really give a fuck? MAGA! WOOOO!
Is it because they are also degenerating as well?
Not fast enough.
Same reason diehard Biden voters don't want to admit Israel is conducting a genocide. The cult of personality.
An average middle aged American would make both candidates look too old and not suited for the presidency....
But when it's Biden and trump, criticizing ones mental ability just makes people claim it's not a big deal because the other is bad too.
Neoliberals claim Biden is better, republicans claim trump is better.
Everyone else says both aren't good enough and why the fuck are these the only two options...
This is going to be a low turnout election, and those are the ones Republicans tend to win.
Ignoring it while there's still time to fix it only helps trump. Because Republicans are better at ignoring reality than anyone else.
Mate, I am a conservative independent who doesn’t like Biden. But please vote for Biden. There is a different between a bad but competent president (Biden) and someone who frequently undermines American institutions (Trump).
Accountability should be a conservative view, but things are so skewed right now that it’s seen as liberal or far left.
If there was ANYONE else viable, we could talk about getting someone viable. But right now it’s clear that there isn’t.
It’s very important to vote for the better candidate while simultaneously making moves to better the system overall.
The DNC has had the chance to primary Biden with someone more viable, they decided to stick with the guy that swore he would be a 1 term president that no one wants in office. Voters have had 3 years to demand change in the party, instead they punched at anyone trying to hold the party and Biden accountable. This combined with the gaslighting coming from the party that the economy is good and that we are not struggling while we know we are tells us they are not listening to our needs.
Everyone else says both aren’t good
False equivalence. Old <> Narcissistic Dementia.
Everybody hates politicians. Super easy to criticize any particular politician, and not likely to generate much angry feedback.
Trump is a fucking goldmine of material. The sheer diversity of his bullshit means that no one topic stays relevant for very long.
Biden, though? You've got age and Israel, and Israel has way too much other stuff associated to bring up in mixed company. The reason people harp so much on Biden's age is because there's nothing else they can talk about.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
That word still doesn’t mean what you think it means.
Nope, gotta scroll down to "current usage"
Historian Elizabeth Shermer argued that the term gained popularity largely among left-leaning academics in the 1970s to "describe and decry a late twentieth-century effort by policymakers, think-tank experts, and industrialists to condemn social-democratic reforms and unapologetically implement free-market policies";[51] economic historian Phillip W. Magness notes its reemergence in academic literature in the mid-1980s, after French philosopher Michel Foucault brought attention to it.[52]
At a base level we can say that when we make reference to 'neoliberalism', we are generally referring to the new political, economic and social arrangements within society that emphasize market relations, re-tasking the role of the state, and individual responsibility. Most scholars tend to agree that neoliberalism is broadly defined as the extension of competitive markets into all areas of life, including the economy, politics and society.
The Handbook of Neoliberalism[22]
Neoliberalism is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing, especially through privatization and austerity, state influence in the economy.[8] It is also commonly associated with the economic policies introduced by Margaret Thatcher in the United Kingdom and Ronald Reagan in the United States.[28] Some scholars note it has a number of distinct usages in different spheres:[53]
They love changing the name for it, but their principles remain steadfast.
Hell, Biden even tried to co-opt "Reaganomics" into "Bidenomics" and trumps been using the "MAGA" campaign slogan that Regan used...
With these two it seems like they're really trying to add a new president to the list of those that died in office. Last one that wasn't assassinated was FDR in 1945. Going to be really important who these crypt keepers run as their VP because there is a very good chance they'll be the president before the end of their term.
How are Kamala Harris polling numbers these days? If they're better than Biden's (and that's a really low bar so I'd kind of be surprised if they aren't) it would be smart of the Democrats to encourage people to vote to support her in the incredibly likely chance that Biden dies in office making her the president.
Time? What time do you think we have? The hour is later than you think. Trump’s forces are already moving. The Nine have left Mar-a-Lago. They crossed the River Delaware on Midsummer’s Eve, disguised as lobbyists in black.
Primary ain't over, we haven't even met Tom Bombadil yet...
Gandalf didn't grab the first person under 5foot he saw, he picked a young fool of a Took who had the heart, courage, and willingness to keep marching against impossible odds.
Even he recognized Bilbo was too old and corrupted by power to make the journey.
MAGA voters don't notice Trump's decline and BlueMAGA don't notice Biden's. That failure to acknowledge the elephant in the room is gonna fuck us all, again.
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No.