Israel ‘accepts six-week ceasefire deal’ as Hamas response awaited, US officials say
Israel ‘accepts six-week ceasefire deal’ as Hamas response awaited, US officials say
White House officials claim provisional agreement is on the table as scale of starvation crisis revealed
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Well now I'm confused, because there's a post from today about how Israel is not sending a delegation to Egypt for ceasefire/hostage talks according to CNN. Here's the direct link to the article, which states:
- "Israel is not sending a delegation to Cairo for talks on a deal for a ceasefire and release of hostages from Gaza, an Israeli official told CNN Sunday."
- "Another diplomatic source played down the prospects of an imminent deal, saying progress was slow and it was unlikely there would be a breakthrough within the next 48 hours."
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The article immediately clarified Israel hasn't agreed to anything.
Biden keeps saying a ceasefire is about to happen, despite no signs it will
So his administration keeps releasing these unsourced reasons that it total is happening, despite no signs it is.
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The official said the reason was that Hamas had not responded to two Israeli demands: a list of hostages specifying which are alive and which are dead; and confirmation of the ratio of Palestinian prisoners to be released from Israeli prisons in exchange for hostages.
This is in theory what we're waiting on. That sounds reasonable at first glance, but we do have to remember that we are only hearing from one side.
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He said Israel had “basically” accepted the deal, but did not specify whether it still had reservations or what those were.
So its still just lip service?
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Well sort of. I think what means is that they got all the nods, but no signature on the paper.
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Biden and Hamas leaders said the aid convoy deaths could complicate negotiations for a ceasefire and hostage release deal. But Egyptian security sources said the incident had pushed both sides to intensify their efforts, in order to preserve progress made so far, Reuters reported.
Seems like the IDF firing into the crowds of starving refugees, causing crowd crush and killing over a 100 people and wounding 800+ was a really bad look, so Israel is onboard instead of threatening a Rafah ground assault.
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Hamas has repeatedly rejected any kind of temporary ceasefire. I can't see why this would be any different.
Was Hamas even involved in the drafting of this deal or did the US and Israel just throw this together to paint Hamas as unreasonable when they reject it again? None of the articles I've read have made any effort to clarify who drew this up beyond vaguely gesturing at Israel, US, and Egypt.
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I don't know why you're being downvoted. I don't know what the terms of this one are, but past cease fires have basically required Hamas to surrender. Giving up their only leverage, hostages, and allowing IDF to strictly control everyone and everything going in and out of Gaza, free to shut off power and water as they feel, and block aid.
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Not to mention Israel doesn't exactly have a stellar record when it comes to respecting ceasefires.
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As you say, they have very little leverage. What they can offer is returning the hostages and a guarantee of safety for Israel and in exchange, they can get peace and relative freedom. At this point they should probably negotiate for whatever they can get, because the alternative is complete destruction. Belligerence hasn't worked out well for them, perhaps they should try something else.
I wouldn't expect any trust and goodwill considering their stated goal is to genocide Jews and destroy Israel.
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As best as I can find this is basically a deal that gives Israel it's biggest ask in exchange for maybe not bombing during Ramadan. So yeah something they cooked up to make Hamas look unreasonable.
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Israel has repeatedly rejected any kind of permanent ceasefire
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Yeah, which is why this shit is still going on. Hamas would be extremely naive to think a temporary ceasefire is anything more than a promise to start bombing again later after they've refreshed their troops and stockpiled more weapons.
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Thank you for your list! I saw this recently and forgot to save it. Glad you're on it.
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Hamas has repeatedly rejected any kind of temporary ceasefire.
Palestinian officials have advocated for a permanent ceasefire, with the expectation that any concessions they extract from the Israelis will be forfeit as soon as a temporary ceasefire closes.
Was Hamas even involved in the drafting of this deal
Right now, the primary advocates on behalf of the Palestinians are Qatari and Egyptian officials with sympathies toward their Arab neighbors. Any actual members of Hamas have been playing cat-and-mouse with Israeli assassins, which has in turn made the Israeli demands for a proper accounting of hostages very difficult.
After all, if you clearly state how many hostages survived the carpet-bombing of Northern Gaza, the Israelis can use that figure to coordinate their strikes in and around the southern end.
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Subtitle:
White House officials claim provisional agreement is on the table as scale of starvation crisis revealed
So it's a US official anonymously saying that an offer is on the table...
Like every other post OP has made on the subject, the headline isn't factual and immediately clarified in the article.
If Israel was going to agree to it, they'd sign it
But they won't, so they don't.
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For those repeatedly reporting this:
"Talks took place in Doha, the Qatari capital, on Saturday and were expected to move to Cairo on Sunday as the scale of looming starvation pushed the US to start air-dropping food into the enclave."
The Israeli agreement apparently happened in Doha, but won't be official until they sign the agreement in Cairo... where they may not actually show up.
It's passed Sunday into Monday, so we'll see where it goes, but I'm frankly not optimistic.
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Its curious to see how the media narrative has turned in the wake of some of these primary votes. Biden's gone from "Israel can do no wrong" to "We're doing everything we can (short of denying them more weapons and diplomatic cover at the UN) to stop these atrocities".
I have to wonder what happens as we close in on the general election and Trump goes all in on being pro-Palestinian genocide. Do the Democrats rediscover their love of human rights and rules based international order? Or do they all double back and try to out-compete the Republicans on the "We Love Israel" front?
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too late bro the blind mob is here
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Oh yay, a possible 6 weeks of just a little genocide instead of full on genocide!
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Generally stopping shooting is a great step towards peace. I guess you're sad the Palestinians will get fed?
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I'm talking about a ceasefire, which is not directly tied to food since they have already delivered some food without a ceasefire.
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that's all aaron bushnell right there. most noble american act of the 20th century
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You think the reason for this is the guy who immolated himself? Why? He's not even mentioned in this article.
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A ceasefire in exchange for what?
Giving up the only leverage they have over Israel?
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Holding civilians hostage is a war crime. So do you support war crimes?
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Enforcing an Apartheid State is a international crime against humanity too, do you support Apartheid?
B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer
Year before Oct 7 - Jewish Voice for Peace
Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel) and Summery by the International Court of Justice
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But do you condemn Hamas?®
Most people don't support war crimes.
But, at the moment, it's war crimes vs. bigger war crimes. The question is, is the perpetrator of war crimes willing to stop war crimes when it's the only conceivable leverage to stop bigger war crimes? Big war crimes likely doesn't give a fuuuuuck about the little war crimes though - they literally killed the hostages in several situations. They are just pitching a tent because it's an excuse for them to do even bigger war crimes.
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Let them eat leverage hey?
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Hamas better not do anything stupid over the next six week period.
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hamas proposed a full ceasefire with the release of all hostages and israel rejected it
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Israel didn't like the terms and they have most of the leverage, Anthony Blinken said there were a lot of "non-starters" in the offer. What exactly those were I don't think has been made public.
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Hamas will never accept any offer that lets the young female hostages tell of their horrors. They'll mull it over and find some excuse.
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Its all projection, folks.
Israeli military chief rabbi-designate under fire over remarks on rape
Rabbi Colonel Eyal Karim's remarks 14 years ago stirred controversy at the time and remain on an Israeli religious website today
He responded that in the interests of maintaining warriors' morale and fighting fitness during armed conflict, it was permitted to "satisfy the evil inclination by lying with attractive Gentile women against their will".
His nomination on Monday as the military's head rabbi by its chief of staff revived public debate over Karim. Yedioth Ahronoth, Israel's best-selling newspaper, weighed in with a front-page headline that read: "New chief military rabbi: rape is permissible in a war".
UN experts condemn ‘credible’ reports of executions, sexual assault by Israeli soldiers
The independent experts affiliated with the U.N. Human Rights Council said the allegations constitute “egregious human rights violations,” adding to criticisms of the Israeli war effort in Gaza as its military reportedly prepares a ground invasion of Rafah.
“We are particularly distressed by reports that Palestinian women and girls in detention have also been subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault, such as being stripped naked and searched by male Israeli army officers,” the experts said. “At least two female Palestinian detainees were reportedly raped while others were reportedly threatened with rape and sexual violence.”
The release adds that some photographs of women in degrading circumstances had been distributed online by Israeli soldiers.
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There has, to my knowledge, not been a single first-hand account of a woman saying "I was raped by Hamas". All of it is based on anonymous eye witnesses, dead bodies Israel assures us were raped, or doctors speaking on behalf of returned hostages they refuse to name and have yet to come forward.
For as much rape as supposedly went on it sure is strange that there aren't at least a few victims speaking of their experiences, if only just to confirm it happened. I'm happy to believe women when there are women to believe.
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That's a lot of trauma porn you just gave yourself.
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