Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio

It’s a good thing that Engineer is a protected profession and not everyone can claim it, like Lawyer or Doctor.

In the US now it’s “oh you’re an engineer? Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?”

You can be web dev with an engineering degree

About half of the equivalent in the US, often less. It's exceedingly rare to make 100k here even in a senior position, although it does exist. Median is 40-50k (pounds, so times that by 1.2 for USD).

Varies heavily dependent on industry, but typically less than US devs. Also if you live outside London it's going to be a lot less.

You average non-junior dev will probably make about 50-60k £ in london but about 25-35k £ outside london.

Senior developer can vary heavily. in london I've seen 60-120k depending on language and industry.

You mean you wouldn't expect a software engineer to understand the coefficient of thermal expansion of tungsten carbide in a gas lubricated piston/cylinder pneumatic deadweight calibration system?

Yeah, me either. But I would expect one to know how to research the documentation to find out what it meant.

And software development isn't actually development. They don't build houses!

I think the idea is, most people could build a doghouse with no training, but you need planning and education to plan/build a skyscraper. If you want to write your own app at home, maybe no software planning is really required. Keep nailing in workarounds. But if you want to build a huge system, you need to do a bit more than workarounds. You need a good plan from the start to make it all efficient and in a manner others can contribute to the code base.

That said, I feel like just having workarounds is really common even in large industry settings. Maybe I'm wrong though. I'm more of a home doghouse builder type myself.

Why? Excited to hear another internet hot take

No, I believe it's called a joke

Are you?

rockstar

We fixed that one: https://codewithrockstar.com/

No. Counter strike

Darn skippy I did! Not much of a web designer, though.

"web development" casts a wide net.

The classic imagery of someone playing with frontpage back in the day, or screwing around with html in a text editor, sure. But those folks wouldn't call themselves web developers (there was a phase over 20 years ago where anyone that cobbled together a geocities would declare 'web developer' on their resume, but I haven't seen someone do that in ages).

However, you can get in pretty deep with code running in the browser as javascript and/or wasm. Backend gives them some nested dictionary in json or protobuf and they parse, manipulate, iterate over it, sometimes making some pretty complex visualizations. Basically a 'web developer' is nowadays on par with any Game or GUI application developer in terms of what they might be writing. There are a few things left out of direct reach by a browser runtime, but you have access to plenty and the backend abstractions to get something in reach of HTTP are often no easier than the thing being abstracted, it's just reframed as 'http'.

There really isn't. For example web browsers can execute assembly now and a good "web developer" (I'd call them a software engineer) will use assembly where appropriate.

Agreed.

We also deserve to be called, every so often, to see how we're doing.

For me, it was this

https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-real-escape-string.php

yeah, i've used it and it's absolutely trash...
but here's an article that sums up my feelings: https://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/

Only those who code in the same language as I am can be called developers. Everyone else is just an impostor and their technology doesn't matter! Real programmers use my language of choice

c# and .net? ewww....

gimme c, c++, go, rust, ruby, python...
and umm, no dude, native apps are a lot more powerful than web apps... they are not usurped at all

there's more of them, but there's more scooters than motorcycles...

sorry, my browser doesn't support unicode

In North America, the driver of a train engine is called an "engineer", yes.

Yes, driving trains is becoming more and more important as we find out how terrible cars are for the environment. We should protect the profession fiercely!

@TankovayaDiviziya
True haha. But also the the algorithm was better. When Tinder needed to cash in for the investors the quality dropped because then the focus became about making money more than it's about satisfying the users. We have to remember that if you get a match which gets into a relationship, Tinder loses two customers.

@programmer_humor

@ILikeBoobies
Interesting 😄

Try Grindr

@Tikiporch
I used it until around a week ago.

It was just a habit when I was single and then a week ago I finally evaluated that habit and realized that the quality had actually dropped in 2017 when I got back onto the app after a 3 years long relationship.

@programmer_humor

But architects aren't engineers either! We have engineers in building construction, they are called engineers.

They ensure all required calculations are done, all safety standards are adhered to, they complete detailed designs, and they sign off on a project legally so things like quotes and timelines have legal teeth.

I haven’t met an “engineer” who isn’t developing code. This is such a weird distinction. The people asking for a design are the customer, the high level design handled by the product manager, the nitty gritty is handled by the software engineers. Some businesses may make a distinction for payroll purposes but there is no prevailing standard.

In Canada the Cert and the Degree are separate.

You typically through getting your degree also become certified, but the key is while your degree lasts forever, the Cert has to be maintained and renewed.

Cert has a lifetime and expires and you have to keep it up to date.

In Alberta for example the regulatory authority is APEGA: https://alis.alberta.ca/occinfo/certifications-in-alberta/engineer/

I think even technically the license is also a separate piece of paperwork.

Degree: you completed school at some point

Cert: up to date on current practices, must be maintained, requires the degree

License: you are legally allowed to practice in the province/country and have registered. Requires degree+cert

It's a license issued by the state. As in, "you could go to jail for practicing engineering without a license."

(Source: was on track to become a licensed civil engineer until I decided to do software "engineering" instead.)

I get the joke, what I don't get is how one can impersonate a doctor on Tinder. Are people wearing lab coats in their pictures or something?

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