Biden calls for 'immediate ceasefire' in Gaza

Bibi is now Hitler Lite in my opinion. The number of deaths aren't quite there or the level of cruelty, but the intent and mindset is exactly the same and he could easily get to that cruelty and deathcount if not stopped.

Don’t call him Bibi. He deserves no cute nicknames which downplay these atrocities.

Pretty sure the government has been trying to talk Israel down since things got way out of scope in November.

Wrong, government backed israel and provided them military aid and weapons.

What world do you live in lol. They had Bidens support since 1970. Pelosi too. They were completely on board until like yesterday, due to pressure from the voter base.

Talking him down while sending more weapons in violation of US law?

Honestly if he stops this mess now he should get enough lesser evil votes. Gotta also revert his position on the border and other things, but he still has time to save his campaign.

I think the Michigan vote and subsequent media coverage was meaningful, but I agree there's no denying the shooting had a big impact. Thank you for adding that perspective. My guess is having both happen so close to each other increased the total effect. Regardless, it's going to be an important 10 days coming up.

Nah israel did shootings like that every week. Biden doesn't care about brown people dying. I'd argue that the hospital massacre israel committed was far worse optically

Michigan did this. All the people that refused to bend the knee and vote for Biden in December if he continues the Genocide.

And Aaron Bushnell. His sacrifice was a huge turning point.

Oh it's absolutely from the mass shooting and terror incident at the humanitarian aid delivery.

The optics on that are awful and being repressed pretty hard since there really ain't going to be a good look for that.

"The IDF soldiers were scared" oh grow up.

But Biden was insistent that he was heading towards a cease fire that probably got massively pushed back because of that incident crushing even more of the little remaining trust in Israel by citizens of Palestine.

Air dropping food in away from soldiers makes it so it's an obvious sign that it's not a trap from IDF shows they understand there is starvation and tries to claw back the trust at least in the US of being helpful. Probably expect a lot more aid and some heavy pushing from the US to look trustworthy to start talks through.

I know you're making a joke, but it really is a crazy year to be an American voter. I laughed at Bill Burr's take in December when he said (among other funny things) "I want someone in their 40's. Someone who is going to have to live with their decisions". I'm biased though because I've enjoyed Bill's brutal comedy for years.

Trump would be a disaster in all respects, so I guess that decides things. Biden's domestic policies don't feature destroying checks and balances on power and revenge/witch hunts as key features. Democracy is supposed to be rule of the people via elected officials who genuinely represent them, so I'm happy to see the beginnings of a change in tone at least (and I dearly hope policy) from Biden. I'm definitely not cheering for another 2016.

To be fair, it is medically hard to determine whether elderly people die with covid or from it.

Theyve returned the hostages right? Did we forget about the hostages?

Like a million just in Iraq I think.

Biden gave material support to Israel’s genocidal campaign which has killed over 30,000 people. You’re delusional if you think paying lip service to a ceasefire while still actively supporting the genocide is going to satisfy anyone.

Be right back, getting popcorn.

Uno Reverse: the actual genocidal and apartheid party operating in Israel was always Hamas! ✅

Thanks, I couldn't find that part anywhere.

I'm personally not sure that saying "We're trying to work out ... an immediate ceasefire" has nearly the same urgency as as calling for one, but hey at least it's something.

"For at least 6 weeks"

That's a start at least.

Oh we let old people drive too, there's not really any tangible system for ensuring they're still capable. There's a way your doctor can have it pulled but healthcare is privatized so they'll just shop around for the guy who'll say it's totally fine if they have to.

My ex's mom randomly passed out completely multiple times a day sometimes, it never got pulled - until some innocent pedestrian paid the ultimate price for eagle fuckin American "freedom."

We're trying but we're up against hateful shitty old fucks who have a deathgrip on positions of power, absolutely stupid masses who enjoy a steady diet of warped theocratic leadership mixed in with batshit conspiracy, an alarming growing group of outright fascist af young people, and then a rather large contingent of apathetic cunts who can't be bothered with doing the bare minimum in civic duties. It's a fucking mess here. Not looking great.

A 2 state solution is effectively impossible at this point. Israel won't let their settlements go and the Palestinians will not accept anything less than the 1967 borders. There's also the split country problem. Bangladesh used to be East Pakistan. Split countries have a bad habit of one part getting exploited pretty hard.

Ding ding ding!

They started seeing everyone posting on social media that they're not voting to support us paying for a genocide.

What is more plausible according to you:

• Hamas managed to sway UNRWA and pretty much all of the known humanitarian organisations operating in Gaza?
• Or that the situation on the ground is really dire and it was like this long before the 7th of October no matter what Israel is claiming.

And please feel free to send me any article of any non affiliated NGO or humanitarian organisation with Israel praising their efforts to achieve long lasting peace before the 7th of October.

Because I can easily do the opposite.

Our own intelligence agencies rated that as "low confidence". Which is the Intel version of pressing F to doubt. It means they found nothing to support the allegations. Typically it's followed by the briefer saying something like, "we do not recommend action on this item at this time."

When those same former voters watch Israel murder every Palestinian while Trump actively cheers them on and rounds up all Palestinian Americans to deport them for further ethnic cleansing.

Sucks because Trump is going to stay behind Isreal too. The people that refuse to vote for Biden because of this likely just won't vote. Which = Trump.

You're right, but there are a lot of people (that I've seen, at least) who are willing to abstain from voting over Biden's handling of this.

Exactly, I demand better of him and I will probably vote for him. I really wonder though how someone that's a Muslim or Palestinian can stomach voting for him. His policies around Israel are pretty much identical to what Trump would do which is a big deal for a lot of people. He's basically saying "Forget that I let Israel murder and starve to death your loved ones, I've been pretty good when it comes to monopolies right?!?".

I'll vote for him because he's the better of two options, however, he has blood on his hands and that may just lose him a second term.

yes i do

Tell that to the terminally online edgelord jimmy Dore "left" crowd

There's a time and place to be critical of dumbass politicians taking half-measures on important issues, but doing it now is potentially undermining the election in favor of fascist criminals.

Ok, read what actually was said then come back.

The headline is misleading. Biden simply said "I hope a ceasefire happens one day". Which is a FAR cry from "demanding a ceasefire now". He isn't doing enough because he hasn't been saying things like "We are planning on withdrawing aid from Israel if they keep up this offensive". Instead it's "Well golly gee I hope Hamas returns all the hostages for a 2 week ceasefire and no troop withdrawals by Israel."

But hey, at least he's decided that he can say the word "ceasefire" Up until maybe a couple of weeks ago that was a forbidden word by the administration.

My argument is: Biden may not be perfect, but he's a whole hell of a lot better than the guy that tried to start an insurrection and appointed a Supreme Court justice that got rid of Roe v. Wade. Holding his feet to the fire is a waste of time because the house always wins; the People will be the ones to bear the burden of any sort of loss for the Democrats. All I can do is hope that people will finally be pushed too far and revolt against the government, but that will be a whole hell of a lot harder if the 1st and 2nd Amendments are infringed on any more than they already are.

You're allowed to swear on the Internet

Well it didn't require one buttttt a GBU-12 would be pretty spectacular

A world that respects the rights and sovereignty of the Palestinian people, and opposes Israel’s genocide and occupation of Palestine.

Well they are only using human shields because Israel insists it's still fine to fire up on them if maybe they take out a Hamas member with them.

Like, we shouldn't actually be still killing the civilians right? That would be gross and fucked up right?

It must be so exhausting to carry water for a settler-colonial ethnostate whose very foundations are genocidal violence.

Israel has two weeks to sign a letter that says "we won't commit war crimes"? This is after the date israel said they are going to invade Rafah.

Furthermore israel has violated like 8 "red lines" Biden gave them and no consequences ever happened.

Israel didn't even show up to the talks in Cairo today. Netanyahu isn't feeling an ounce of pressure from Biden.

Biden has been trying his very best this year to give israel 15 Billion in weapons as fast as possible.

Trump can't do much worse than this Nazi style Genocide. If there's still Palestinians left to Genocide after November that is.

I am well aware of that thank you. But I am not able to show any satisfaction for Biden's less than bare minimum action. It's genocide we are talking about and his "call" for a ceasefire is a discussion with Italian PM that started with "we are trying to work out a deal that...". Is that the best he can do?? Bibi's gonna say fuck you again. I really don't see where the enthusiasm for that "news" comes from

Obviously they don't. Lemmy is a hive of bloodthirsty fascists pretending to be progressive.

Aiding a genocide is a crime is it not?

Yes. Yesterday.

There was a sale that Biden bypassed Congress on Dec 29th or 30th. It still takes time to deliver so probably they still received stuff in February but definitely January so within the last month or so for sure.

That was noted as it was above the billions in military aide given annually that are already budgeted. We can still give them that close to 4 billion in aide without announcing as it is already in the budget so yes, we are probably still in February and March giving them aide as it is in our budget (I don’t like it, but say our as I am a US citizens).

I saw the EO that would set the stage for that action but I didn't think it was put into effect yet.

Did the recent combined Ukraine/Israel aid bill flounder?

That just means to me that they dont really care about what people wants until they need people. Thats very hypocritical honestly.

Ah. Thank you.

Bit of a strawman, the initial complaint wasn't that he didn't say some words, the initial complaint was the billions in military aid and actual physical support the administration gave Israel.

The only reason words matter is if they have any impact on reality. Israel knows the U.S is giving them a lot of leeway to commit this genocide because that's what the administration's actions say, hence they're two-faced.

If they decide to stop materially supporting genocide, good. They were still wrong to do it at all, and they can't undo that, so they're still shit-libs, but better late than never I guess, and all those dead children will just have to stay dead.

A good analogy is the apple repair for everyone bill. Its very easy to say ceasefire after just passing the bill for billions in weaponry to israel. This is just a facet. Sorry but i dont believe its genuine. Its not even happening he is just “calling” for it. In the end this is just talk. The action is what we see in front of us.