We're lucky that our bodies require sleep, otherwise our cultures would have us working 16-20 hour days.
We're lucky that our bodies require sleep, otherwise our cultures would have us working 16-20 hour days.
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Doesn't stop certain big tech companies from building giant campuses with cafeterias and housing so that employees can literally live, eat, and sleep at work.
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Imagine if they let us work from home instead. I already live, eat, and sleep at work, and it doesn't cost my company a dime! In fact I pay for all of it!
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If not for labor unions we would still be working 12+ hour days. The 8 hour workday and the weekend is all thanks to the courageous efforts of labor advocates.
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Yep, 16 hour workdays were not uncommon historically (there’s a reason non-US countries remember May Day).
If you search up 16 hour workdays now, you’ll depressingly find people framing it in a positive light. Capitalism is trying to make workaholism the norm and required to survive.
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When I lived in the UK I always found it interesting how people tought "working hard" was a good thing, especially as most of my professional experience until then had been in The Netherlands, were the objective is to work SMART.
Working hard as an objective is almost literally the opposite of being efficient: it's wanting to work more rather that work less and produce the same or work the same and produce more.
Then again it's not surprsing that a society were the Owner class is almost 100% composed of people who were born in wealth would glorify the most shortsighted, short-termist and incompetent way of looking like employees are producing more.
Unsurprisingly the productivity per capita figures of the UK are way worse than those for The Netherlands.
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Time not spent generating revenue for yourself and/or someone else is unacceptable.
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And now kids in Arkansas get to experience the grind.
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We have so much to be thankfull for to those that came before us. Standing on the shoulders of giants, how easily we forget.
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The goverment started recognizing some of these rights after they were won by unions. Then they regulated unions to death, since we've got these nice laws now. Then they started rolling back the legal protections.
And people still have the nerve to say the government is protecting workers rights.
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And this is why you support your labour unions.
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Dudes wearing Oakley's and Fox Racing hats would be saying they're better than you because you don't work 22 hour days.
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I don't understand that culture. You get looked down upon if you say something and when I said we need at least 100k yearly in America, they laugh as it too much for them. We need more confidence as workers to demand more and unions.
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Also the transition from drunk to sober would suck more.
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Oh hell no. Permanently drunk it is.
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I feel like people would drink themselves to death more, or at least pass out. Been a few times years ago that sleep was my reason to stop drinking
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our cultures
*Capitalism
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Capitalism can also work with government mandate which is not corrupt. If government rule for a 3 days work week and 5 hours a day then it should work
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Every time the working class gains wins under capitalism they are short term at best. The new deal in the US is a great example. As long as capital controls the levers of power, it will always find ways to claw back the gains of the working class for for the name of profit.
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Very rich man proceed to buy a lot of medias, make them share propaganda to vote for the politician that will make you work more.
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Haha, as if there was not a push for people to work more around the clock than ever.
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More job areas would have cafeterias, and I think we would see a lot of 24 hour employees
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Congratulations on having the world's most depressing shower thought.
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Omg I actually had this same thought the other day and wrote it down.
I just thought about how cool it would be to not need to sleep. You could have a whole 8-or-so hours to do whatever you want. But then I realized that if we didn't need to sleep we would likely be required to work longer hours or be otherwise productive during those 8-or-so hours. It's crazy how arbitrary productivity really is.
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https://www.powernapcomic.com/ deals with a fictional world where a drug makes this corporate dystopia possible but a small percentage of people cannot take the drug making them effectively disabled from a normal worker perspective.
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Wow this is great thanks for the link! Just spent the last hour reading and it flew by
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This is great, thanks for sharing it
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Follow-up Shower thought: Sentient Robots will not require rest or sleep, and thus, will automatically suffer through this.
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Breaking news: Rogue sentient robot breaks into HQ and kills CEO with bare metal hands, posts capitalism was a mistake on social media. Experts blame video games.
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Love it. Last sentence especially.
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Why would you specifically use the sentient robots for your grunt work and why would an artificial intelligence have problems with the same things humans do? Especially if an AI was made for the specific purpose of doing work. The reason humans don't like doing work is because evolution naturally selected for us to be good at things like
-hunting gazelles
-gathering berries
-making finger paintings on cave walls
-sitting around a campfire making ape noises
and not working at a corporation. For an AI, it'd presumably be the opposite, meaning that AIs would be about as content with their lives as humans are in their natural environment.
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Sentient robots, being way more intelligent that the Owner class, would take the current ownership system over and as our new overlords make humans to work only the nunber of hours that yields peak returns, which is, at least for intellectual occupations, somewhere around 7h per day.
I suggest people ponder on the possibility that we are actually living in a Dystopia. Not the worst Dystopia that we can conceive, but likely for most a worst state of affairs that a baseline of, say, being a nomadic hunter gatherers (even though we live more we get significant less enjoyment from our lives)
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They might even optimize humans and hobbyism to do reach a point where humans only do work those same humans barely feel like is work. Wouldn't be able to be done for every task, but they could iron out a lot of certain industries.
To which I say, robots, come take over us, hurry.
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Well just design the robots so that work feels like sex to them
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Investment bankers would like a word (but they probably don't have time).
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And they'd be mad that the damn dirt Labor union won't let them have 24 hour shifts.
And there will be beaten and abused workers agreeing with them because they've been convinced that working 24 hr shifts would be better for them.
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The willingness of people to lick the boots of their oppressors is scary as fuck.
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Ever heard of 9-9-6?
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Black companies 💀
Edit: people might have misunderstood this comment as a racist thing instead of a Japanese negative culture thing gg
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Haha. I thought the same thing when I lived in Japan. First time I heard it I was like what do you mean by black companies??
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I did 24hr shifts a minimum of two days per week. Most times I did three days per week with 24hrs of OT. I did that from 2000-2017.
Now I do simple 4 x 10hr days.
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How is that possible?
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Paramedic. Possible by trying to sleep between emergency calls.
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I could feel the smile drop off my face while I read this
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Dude I live in a place where we have a month of paid vacation a year, plus some hollidays. Since I was having a hard time woth some french coworkers I went to look why they were always out. French people have 9.5 weeks paid vacation + a shit ton of holidays a year! They only work 9 months! I'm so depressed not to be french.
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Your encredably lucky, most would commit murder just to be in your position. most buisness have a shrinkwrapping effect, causing needs that are soft and hard to define to be compressed down with everything else. Example: "Work more hours, you dont need to sleep" where 5 hours is a bare minimum to not quickly kill people from lack of sleep. only thing sustainable is making the more maluable values have firm limits or not have the shrinkwrap effect in the first place
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This doesn't really make sense. Try it the other way: "It's a shame we don't sleep 23 hours a day, then we'd only have to work for a few minutes."
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If we slept 23 hours a day I don't think we would have developed to the level of technology that we're now at.
We simply wouldn't have had enough time awake yet to achieve anything very much.
Eventually an asteroid would hit or Yellowstone would erupt and we would have probably only got to the medieval age, and then we go extinct.
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if aliens invaded and forced us to work for them they'd probably have better work culture than us
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South Korea is closely looking at your thread probably trying to figure out if there’s another way 🥲
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Healthcare workers and mental health workers already are doing 12 and 16 hour days.
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On the other hand, it would feel pretty normal to us.
Perhaps even our time perception would be probably a bit different. As someone coming from world where bodies require about 8-9 hours of sleep, the perception of time is naturally affected (if not dictated) by having series of waking periods of about the same length every day.
If there was no such thing as sleep (which might be a bit different than just "not requiring sleep" as you suggest) then we'd just be conscious in one continuous chunk from birth to death. Given what problems our brains solve by sleep (learning, sorting memories / feelings), if the brains were to do these things continuously, the consciousness itself would probably be at least quite a bit different experience.
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Doesn't stop the Japanese Corporate from trying.
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The US surpassed Japan in workaholism in the mid-1990s.
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Life became so expensive so you cannot afford of not working.
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I'm pretty sure they'd force us to work all 24 hours, because profits and "if you don't like it, leave. I can hire someone else"
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In a future dystopia, required implants will make 16-18 hour days happen
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Honestly, why is that lucky? I don't see a difference.
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We kinda do it already, I can't be the only one that has taken "power naps" in my office instead of going home to sleep when a crisis hits at work. Hell, after the first one I bought a sleeping bag for those times.
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lmao. AI robots soon will work for you 24/7. All because we are not perfect, we need to sleep and rest, we complain and require rights + money.
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They won't work for us, they'll work for the rich and the working class might as well starve because we're just expendable parts to them. I'm afraid we're not going to make enough reforms before AI will be cheaper than human labor in enough places to cause high unemployment. Idk man, it's freaky times we live in
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And too many people are in denial about it. They say "a robot could never do my job". Not only is that an absurd thing to think, but almost every job in existence will be possible to eliminate within the next couple decades at most.
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Corporations will be tormented between wanting robots and AI to do all the work, and needing to employ real humans so they can earn enough to keep buying all those consumer goods that the corporations produce.
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Yeah capitalism is eating itself. Curious to know what will come out of it. Communist dystopia 1984 style or some kind of Star Trek like future or something in between? The way I would like see this going is 1st UBI route then eventually money ends and society digures out some other motivator to keep us going. But until then lots of bs will happen. This Beast is wounded scared angry and won't go down without a fight.
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Tell my brain that.
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that happens already sometimes lol
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Literally was a post with a picture of Henry Ford with the caption “this man brought us the M-F 9-5” and someone replied “boooo this man”
But, even with sleep requirements, Henry Ford reduced it from the norm of 7 days a week, 12-15 hours.
So I’d imagine that without sleep you’d just never go home.
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I mean Ford did under threat of his wife leaving him. He literally had henchmen beating up union organizers.
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My FIL's father bolted machine guns on the roof of the Dearborn plant to deal with strikers. Henry Ford was not a good human.
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someone replied “boooo this man”
You sure that wasn’t about the Anti-Semitism? It’s almost like the Great Man idea of history is a false one…
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While it was a change for the better back then, it was a century ago. It's high time the work week gets reduced again while keeping the wages intact. It's totally doable.
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