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" ... and no identifiable tattoos."
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That's exactly what I was thinking lol. Tattoos are way easier to identify than a face so the mask does nothing.
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Someone should mass print the most common tattoo shapes in temporary tattoos and hand them out at protests or sell them for cheap.
Seems like a great way of just poisoning a lot of data sets
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You can wash them off, don't worry
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Yeah pretty sure that this comic was making fun of this mentality, not in support lol.
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Also don't wear any clothing you bought from a unique Etsy store (or any store you physically visited and paid with a card).
The clothes you wear to the protest should also be bought from a thrift store that you visited without your cellphone and paid for the clothing in cash.
Otherwise, yes, your clothing purchases are tracked, and the young lady who torched a cop car during the George Floyd protests was literally found by the FBI searching Etsy purchase records for people who had bought that shirt.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/lore-blumenthal-philly-protests-george-floyd-sentencing-20220728.html
Other options are facial recognition defeating clothing like this:
https://www.dezeen.com/2023/02/07/cap_able-facial-recognition-blocking-clothing/
Or this:
EDIT:
But neither of those help when we're dealing with stuff like Gait Analysis.
For help with that, we must turn to the Ministry...
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Cory Doctorow has a solution: put some pebbles in your shoes, that will change the way you walk right away.
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Seems like solid advice, thanks!
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I've had this vague recollection of that book for over a decade and could never find it despite multiple search attempts and even requests on tip-of-my-tongue esque forums. I just could not remember any useful specific information about it for the life of me.
To make this discovery from a random thread so organically is incredible.
Many thanks to you and @Stache_@lemmy.ml both.
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Yeah, the gait analysis is where I am truly fucked because I'm visibly disabled (and have gone to protests where i have been threatened with arrest, but evaded so far). I have been thinking about using my wheelchair at more protests though, so that might be able to fuck it up in the future.
Or everyone just needs to stick a rock in their shoe, or wear one shoes that has a bit of a platform.
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thrift store clothing
Not to mention if you get hit with OC spray, you’re not going to want to keep them anyhow. That shit is meant to get into and onto anything you touch. Getting it out again, is a pain in the ass.
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I highly suspect the "adverserial attack" clothes are gonna work, it seems more like they are just taking advantage of a buzz word and it goes against not wearing easily identifiable clothes (you will be one of a handful of people wearing your stylish riot sweater). Carry a concealed ski mask with you and wear it when you need to and keep it hidden when not (so you don't get easily identified as a rioter and become a target when alone).
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I think they work, but will quickly be defeated. Facial recognition is nothing more than advanced pattern recognition. This clothing works by confusing the pattern the AI is trained to recognize. That may work with current models, but all it takes is to train the AI on what this adversarial clothing looks like so it can differentiate it from actual faces.
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you said
I highly suspect the "adverserial attack" clothes are gonna work
but did you mean
I highly suspect the "adverserial attack" clothes AREN'T gonna work
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Please don't use those sweaters thinking you're not identifiable by face recognition. Making an AI think you're an animal is good for walking around the city. The second a human is reviewing the footage they're going to correct the AI and go straight to your face.
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No phone
No ID
Don’t take private transport or public transport. Use a bicycle if you can and take an unusual route to and from.
Wear very plain clothes of a solid colour (preferable black), no logos.
Do not wear easily identifiable shoes.
Be prepared to throw out your clothes after.
Cover all parts of your body with clothes (use gloves for your hands, wear long sleeves and pants, wear a mask, use sunglasses to obscure eyes)
Do not talk to anyone who approaches you. There will be plain clothes officers and they will attempt to engage you in conversation, just walk away.
Do not talk to people who approach you and ask questions
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Freeeeeeedoooooommmmmmmmmmm
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crazy how this is normalized
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Escalation escalates
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Just protest in silence? Why so criminal. Or do you mean like a riot?
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Gee, people in the US need to be this cautious when protesting? Where I live it's totally fine to just casually show up at protests, take selfies, talk to people and whatnot.
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No...we don't. This I'm assuming is showing someone who's idea of protesting is burning cars and businesses down.
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Sounds like someone doesn't know (or care) what can happen to protestors that are protesting the "wrong things"... Like oil and gas pipelines, for example, or training centers for heightened police militarization. Or foreign policy, even, that one has been happening for generations already.
Lol if only they would protest the right way, they wouldn't have to worry about anything, right?
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Well the police can declare an unlawful assembly at any time for any reason, which tends to stir up even peaceful crowds. Not to mention being face to face with militarized thugs in riot gear, drones, helicopters, armored vehicles, mounted police, tear gas and "non-lethal" rounds. If I had a gas cannister lobbed at me, why wouldn't I toss it right back. Fuck em. ACAB.
You might have no intention of causing trouble, but still get rounded up. Happened almost every day in my city for several months during BLM protests. Mass arrests of people in the wrong place at the wrong time. The countless live streamed videos don't lie, each protest was non-violent until police agitated the crowd.
I don't go looking for trouble but I have my limits just like anyone else.
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The police have absolutely ordered peaceful day time crowds to disperse while blocking every exit. They then decide force is necessary because nobody is leaving. Look up police kettling.
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I live in Canada and there is a university professor that had police visit his house because he took some pictures of an oil project that was being protested while he was on a walking trail near the university.
It was an interview on the cbc several years ago. He was a prof at SFU, I assume it was the trans mountain pipeline expansion.
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That's because people in the US don't protest for real, since it's totally toothless there's not much crackdown either
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...in the `states, police can shoot you for any or no reason: we call it at-will liberty...
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150 citizens were enfreedomed in todays public agreement demonstration.
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I think it depends on the protest, a little bit, but that's generally the case in Canada, too.
I counter-protested anti-SOGI assholes (didn't want 2SLGBTQ+ taught in schools) and it was completely fine. I brought my 5 y.o.
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It depends on the issue, time of day, and local cops. In San Diego a pro Palestinian march was allowed to go around and the cops mostly stayed away except for helping to block a few intersections.
In San Francisco they decided it was fine to pull anyone they thought was associated out of their cars and arrest them.
So as general advice, yeah. Especially if the police are the subject of the protest. They take that personally and you'll have to figure out how to deal with rubber bullets and tear gas
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It depends on the situation and the policing body.
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I dont think so, I only see normally dressed people in major protests. People like this are usually doing something bad. Makes me think of the alt right tbh.
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It probably also depends on whether you are just holding a sign or straight up rioting.
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Or holding...checks notes...
Wrench
Cordless drill
Water-hose nozzle
Flashlight
Shower rod
Cane
Broomstick
Hairbrush
Sunglasses
Bottle of cologne
Underwear
Tinfoil
Bottle of beer
Pill bottle
E-cigarette
Cell phone
Wallet
iPod
Wii remote
Toy truck
Sandwich
Bible
Hands
...can we add Acorn to the list? I think Acorn can go on there now, also.
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Gen-X here. Gen-Z answers a question I had as a teen. "What the hell children will the extreme sports, tech-centric, video gaming, gangsta rap, grunge, rage against the machine, angst filled 'slacker' generation raise?"
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Just saying that a lacrosse stick would work well for launching back teargas grenades and could be used for the protest sign.
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Bring rifles and they won't try it in the first place.
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It's a very dangerous strategy, but you're kinda right. My understanding is that armed protests tend to ironically be the most peaceful because cops tend to be too scared to challenge you. However, that only works if the cops think they're outnumbered, so you have to have a lot of people openly carrying and hope the cops don't decide to escalate past basic riot gear.
Edit: you also have to be prepared to pull the trigger. Like, seriously. If you're open-carrying during a protest, you'd better be prepared to kill a cop or two in the event they decide to challenge you. If you don't, then they'll know the guns are just for show and will be quicker to challenge you in the future.
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Cover up all destinguising marks.. Like tattoos
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sadly, masking yourself when protesting is forbidden here in my country :c
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It kinda makes sense, protests are supposed to be peaceful, why bring a mask if your intent is a peaceful protest?
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In the USA its because they use facial recognition and then decide to harass you for the next decade over every small infraction they can.
Because nobody in a position of power would ever abuse that power! /s
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Because a nasty disease spread mostly by sneezing and coughing is going around.
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Masks are no indicator of criminality. The idea that bad protesters wear masks is complete horseshit. It serves to divide movements and prevent momentum from being gained. It seeks to dissolve solidarity that couls have been gained at the protests.
Masks allow peaceful protests to remain peaceful if they prevent the violence of the justice system. Sometimes protesters and organizers are simply arrested and thrown in jail for a bit, sometimes even given nonsense charges, which is something that happens to organizers and some protesters in my area.
As well as that, masks can simply be good secops in some counter-protests such as protesting against fascist marches, gatherings, etc. If I’m showing up to show nazis or boogaloos or proud boys that they are unwelcome, the last thing I want is a violent right wing extremist group to try and doxx me. If I’m escorting people to a drag-queen story hour, I don’t want fascists to doxx me.
It’s also smart in some areas, such as Harvard’s campus where organizers are constantly doxxed and accused of antisemitism even though they are not.
Finally, what if the government makes your particular movement illegal? What if they start throwing the book people, accusing everyone involved(or at least the ones they can catch) of domestic terrorism? Wearing a mask will make it a lot easier for you to maintain your freedom when faced with the tyrrany of the state.
Also, masks look cool, and that’s a pretty good reason imo.
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Protest is not meant to be peaceful. You're thinking of a demonstration
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Protests only work because they carry an unstated show of force.
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I'm not american. Why not bring your phone? Around here as long as you have a legion of people pointing cameras at cops they'll not outright beat you senseless since it'll be impossible to lie about some bullshit justification about how you did something first.
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Because they can use the phone company records to say "We think you were here when this "violent riot" happened (actually just a protest that police started shooting at protestors because they know they'll get away with it), you're arrested". And cops don't care if you're recording, they'll either break your phone or shoot you anyway and then claim it was self defense.
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One, it'll get smashed anyway. Two, if you manage to get away, they'll work with your provider or location based apps to prove you were there and arrest you. Or, force you to unlock it so they can arrest your contacts. Filming them barely helps, there's so many videos of cops beating the shit out of people with no justification, who have been identified and never faced any repercussions
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Further, cops have learned to just play copyrighted music (say the Frozen soundtrack) when they see they are being recorded, that way if people upload it to the internet, they can rest easy that Disney will hit that video with a copyright strike and the video will be taken down before anyone can see it.
Thankfully for protestors, audio editing exists, and certain AI tools have become very good at stripping certain audio from videos while keeping relevant audio. Leave it to cops to choose a "brute force" solution every time when finesse is all you really need to bypass their brute force.
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You. Cannot. Be. Forced. To. Unlock. A. Phone. With. A. Password.
(In the United States)
If you are caught with your phone in a bad situation, fight to manage to get it to shut down. Android will be stuck in a locked out state where biometrics are disabled. Im sure iphones can do something like that but rethink bringing your stupid iphone to a protest. Ask for a lawyer. Do not talk, do not answer questions, do not say anything else.
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Phones are easily tracked, and police generally can get that info. As for the beatings, in the US police commonly aren't held responsible even when they've clearly broken the law. Often, they aren't even charged.
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Cell phones can be later used to establish who was there/identify people.
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They can use phones to track you. I guess if you're the one who is planning on throwing bricks then don't bring it but if you're just a warm body to fill the crowd a phone is fine since it'll also prove your innocene if you record your whole stay there.
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If you do that for video/photo evidence, make sure you are actively synching with your cloud. If you are streaming, make sure recording is also enabled.
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Lots of reasons, mostly this
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- Tracking via bluetooth, wifi, cell signals, nfc, etc. Does one trust airplane mode?
- Seizure of the device if one is arrested. There is legal debate about what methods law enforcement can use to get into the phone. One is exposing both whatever pictures and video was made at the protest but everything else going on in one's life too.
- If one has a unique case or model, one can be doxxed.
Action cameras are cheap, durable, and many come without any radios that can be used to track someone. They all look the same. Using a brand new sd card means that the only data on there is the pictures/video taken at the protest. The major downside is that if they are seized, they are an open book for law enforcement since they are unencrypted. If the sd card is taken or destroyed then one loses any evidence along with it.
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This is why I love the west coast of Canada, I can talk to the cops all I want, I can call them pigs, I can tell them they should learn to do their jobs, I can just straight up troll them and it's protected.
It doesn't mean they won't be absolutely shitty about it and try to start shit though.
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That's generally the problem. Nothing good comes of engaging with the cops at a protest. Best case scenario is they do nothing. What case is they decide it's become "violent" and order it to disperse.
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There's many many many other reasons it's not a good idea during a protest
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Why shouldn't you bring your phone?
Edit for y'all who thought I don't know what cell triangulation and gps tracking are: If you're involved in protesting to the extent that you might be actively tracked, you should have the proper precautions in place on your phone that make it untraceable even when you're carrying it with you.
Edit 2: "Proper precautions" includes using GrapheneOS with 2 SIMs. Only use one of those SIMs at protests and make sure to never use them at the same time. If the government is tracking you past that point, why do you even have a phone in the first place?
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That’s how the FBI has been able to positively identify where people were during the January 6th Insurrection. The FBI said shortly after the insurrection that if you had your phone with you, you would be caught.
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Your phones manufacturer or carrier can be subpoenaed for the location, cops can seize it and identify and/or extract data from it, and IMSI catchers are often used at protests. If you need, you can buy a burner phone and prepaid sim just for the protest.
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If you need, you can buy a burner phone and prepaid sim just for the protest.
But can you buy it without a credit card or debit card tied to your name? A lot of places around me have made it so you must have a traceable type of payment to be able to buy a pre-paid phone. They won't let you pay for it in cash.
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Tell me you have 0 OPSEC without directly telling me you have 0 OPSEC
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Yeah, like if you're going to the trouble of getting a faraday bag or a lead lined case or whatever you think makes it untraceable... Just leave it at home? It's a liability.
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there's only two ways you are preventing carrier/google/apple signals coming out of a phone and giving yourself away:
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its something like a pinephone that has no google/apple services running and you have a physical toggle to turn off bluetooth, wifi, data
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a faraday bag
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Govts and corpos will use bluetooth and wifi mac addresses to ID and track people. luckily more and more devices are shipped with wifi mac randomization.
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Triangulation
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your phone can't work if your carrier doesn't know where you are
on top of that, advertisers put bluetooth receivers everywhere, which will log your phone as having been nearby, even if you don't connect
on top of that, you can do the same bluetooth trick with wifi endpoints
plus your phone has a gps/glonass/whatever receiver in it
probably other reasons too but those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head
yes you can maybe mitigate all of these, but there are probably ones i haven't thought of that people much smarter than me have, so why take the risk?
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To respond to your edit: no, you just shouldn't bring your phone
You can't harden your phone against every hypothetical because you can't think of every hypothetical and it's dumb to think you can. Why would you think you alone can outsmart teams of very well-paid people who literally sit around all day thinking about ways to track you using your phone?
Your phone literally can't even have signal without your carrier knowing where you are, so why bother bringing it?
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grapheneos with 2 sims
are there dual sim pixels now?
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Normal sim and Esim. You can have both at the same time iirc
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Normal sim and Esim. You can have both at the same time iirc
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Normal sim and Esim. You can have both at the same time iirc
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Don't forget your P100.
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Also don't forget your Flipper Zero.
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What am I supposed to do with it? Somehow skim someone's badge without them noticing to unlock a proxcard door? Turn off a nearby TV? Use BadUSB functionality on one of the many computers with USB ports you commonly find on a street? I mean, I love my Flipper Zero to pieces, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what benefit bringing it with me to a protest (and risking having it confiscated if I get arrested) could possibly get me.
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Good work, friend.
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What's the zigzag arrow symbol?
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Squatters Symbol
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i am unsure. the flash and circle is a fascist symble, but that usually doesnt have the arrow head. i assume its an antifascist symble but couldnt find anything about that.
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Okupas ( Spanish for squatters )
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