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Biden invites Trump to work together to lobby Congress on an immigration bill as both candidates visit border

www.nbcnews.com Biden invites Trump to work together to lobby Congress on an immigration bill as both candidates visit border

The president also criticized congressional Republicans, saying they needed to “show a little spine” and take up a bipartisan border agreement in the Senate.

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Biden invites Trump to work together to lobby Congress on an immigration bill as both candidates visit border

www.nbcnews.com /politics/2024-election/trump-biden-collide-split-screen-trips-border-immigration-spotlight-rcna140899

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Pretty clear neither of these imperialists give a fuck about the people, and only care about its effects on the election. Reps make a big deal out of nothing to use against dems, and dems concede to them.
Just the usual ratchet effect
- Go back and look at the '90s. Conservative Democrats are practically progressives by comparison.
  
  90s Democrats gave us the Telecommunications Act of 1996, and they had previously agreed that yes, conservatives need a bigger voice in media and government. They literally laid the groundwork for fascism, like handing Hitler his PA system
- Wait isn’t the stop in this diagram set up so that the ratchet will loosen?
  It seems that the nut will only move to the left. All the spinning on the right will just be a bunch of loud clatter but it’s barely gonna nudge the nut. All it’s gonna do is give the hand more room to turn the nut to the left.
  I don’t think this diagram conveys what you want it to.
- How are democrats blocking movement back left? Unless it’s refusing to play dirty, like freezing out a Supreme Court nominee for almost a year, or passing knowingly constitutionally dubious laws to let the courts essentially legislate from the bench, I just don’t see it that way at all.
  
  They keep actually leftist politicians out of the race by not having real primaries, instead selecting milquetoast right-of-center candidates that manage to lose against current republicans.
  
  Biden wants to massively increase ICE's budget. Most folks on the left would rather ICE not exist at all.
  
  It's not even refusing to play dirty. Liberals haven't had all 3, POTUS, Senate, and House, at the same time in my lifetime.
  They were within a couple seats in Biden's first 2 years. Manchin and Sinema gave Democrats a majority, but they still didn't have a liberal majority. And with the extremely politicized SCOTUS, there are major limits to what liberals can accomplish.
  Not only that, but conservative propaganda works really well. It's not even always policy. Identity politics are actively working against Democrats. So when something that is policy like immigration gets national attention, Democrats cannot afford to ignore it. If they do, THEY WILL LOSE to the people who are radicals.
  
  Democrats have made it a point to block or stifle any leftist candidates and progressive ideals. They constantly capitulate to the right while telling the left (i.e. Eisenhower Republicans) to fuck off. Adam Schiff's bid to block Katie Porter from a Senate seat is the most recent example of this. They were stunned when Hillary lost to Obama, and furious when Biden was challenged by Sanders. They have ALWAYS backed conservative candidates over even centrist ones, and only propose popular bills when they know they can't pass them. There will never be a challenge to Citizens United because they benefit directly from it, and the SCOTUS gives them an excuse to never challenge. They refused to codify Roe when they KNEW it would be overturned because they still think it's a cash cow. They will give every excuse imaginable for inaction but never a plan for action.

Didn't Biden call the dude and enemy of the state on a few occasions?
Impeachment... Colluding with enemies of the state...
I'm being facetious of course, I'd rather they break the tradition of trying to impeach every president on their way out the door, but still, how you gonna have a meeting with someone you yourself called an enemy of the state?
- Because he knows Trump is going to Trump and refuse to work with him. Biden's perspective= win win and shows the orange broke dumb shit is all smoke and mirrors.
  
  Trump's supporters don't care, so all it shows that Biden is a fascist collaborator.
  
  I think that's a little too advanced for Biden, but it wouldn't surprise me that hear a staffer suggested exactly that... Don't think much of Biden, but the current white house is doing damned well IMHO.
  I do sincerely hope trump opts out. None of his fan base is going to be affected in the slightest either way, because cult, but trump will think he's god gift for participating, and his head is already way too fucking big.
- He probably doesn't remember.
- The GOP as a whole is actively antagonistic with America. But you have to work with them if you want to get anything done.
  
  NO
  YOU
  DON'T

Yes, we have one party here. But so does America. Except, with typical extravagance, they have two of them!
-Julius Nyerere

- There was bound to be a huge overlap between 100% Hitler and 99% Hitler.
  
  Epic.

Don't talk with insurrectionists

Hindenburg reaches across the aisle for bipartisan legislation 2024 edition

They're totally different though guys I swear
- Are you suggesting BOTH SIDES might have terminal flaws contributing directly to the downfall of the American society?
  howdareyou.wav
  
  Are you suggesting BOTH SIDES might have terminal flaws contributing directly to the downfall of the American society?
  If this were true I'd vote twice for both of them.
- It’s good you noticed that one is a fascist, racist, misogynist piece of shit and the other is just old and bordering on senile. I, for one, will take old and senile over selfish and willful destruction of my country, thanks.
  If a third, viable option that doesn’t split votes and guarantee a Trump win, happens to come about, then I’d be happy to vote for him or her. Until then, I’ll be voting for the most viable opponent to Trump — and right now that’s Grandfather Octogenarian.
- He’s clearly just jerking the guy’s chain after he told his fellow magats to block the last border bill.
- Just because you dislike both, doesn't mean they're the same.
  If Trump gets elected, he's going to be reinstalling those deadly traps Texas put up. He's going to shut down all the crossings he can. Closed border. He's going to steal migrant children again. He's going to come after DACA kids.
  They are not the same.
  
  Texas can reinstall the "Traps" on their own, and probably already have. They have also reinstalled the razor wire etc they had too. Is Turmp actually already president or something? Why are you conflating the actions of a state with the president?
  
  As opposed to Biden who is much superior because he's only going to do 99% of that. You know the concentration camps are still running right? The same ones the dems performatively denounced when Trump was in power?
  
  You are the correct one here. The US lost thousands of children from that kids and cages Trump bullshit. Literally lost them. One father hung himself to death after losing his child to the Trump family torture bs.

Trump: There's no "me" in "work together."
Biden might as well try to convince a rock that it can jump if it tries really hard.

I love it. Make Trump and the GOP look like the obstructionists that they are.
Both red and blue governors want some sort of way to handle the record number of people crossing right now. That bipartisan bill would’ve easily passed if it was brought to the floor. But if the border started to chill out, Trump wouldn’t be able to complain about the border at the podium.
- "gonna own the people I keep calling a threat to democracy by doing exactly what they want and then telling them they're stupid for not voting for it"
  
  Biden HAS TO listen to the American people. And the American people are demanding that he do something. If he doesn't, they will put in someone who does.
  Sure the GOP has forced the issue into people's heads. But Biden HAS TO face that reality.
- "record number"
  Propaganda works, I see. Every election year.
  There is no border crisis and never has been.
  
  Search for the public records around “US southern border encounters.” All of this stuff has been logged and quantified for decades. We’re up around 2.4m annual encounters. Previous large peaks hit 1.6m annually. During the Obama years it was floating around 0.4m annually.
  Pew has a good breakdown, but it hasn’t been updated for 2023. It ends at 2021, and things have only gone up since then.
  
  https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/
  Many towns / states that support sanctuary are hitting budget ceilings for helping refugees and asylum-seekers. Racists and xenophobes have been crying wolf for decades, and unfortunately, that has made many people dismiss any “border crisis” claims they hear, even when the data supports the claim.
- Instituting far right border policy to... own the Republicans? Good plan.

Anyone got the "tankies and the burden of being right all the time" meme on hand?
- Socialism with Cassandra characteristics
  "For of all sad words of tongue or pen, The saddest are these: 'Tankies right again!' "

Our politicians may not always get along, but at least they agree about hating brown people.

Inspiring

None of the quotes from Biden mention Trump?

This is the best summary I could come up with:
In his remarks, Trump said the death of Riley, 22, a graduate nursing student who was killed this month while on a jog near the University of Georgia, was “barbaric” and referred to her as “a beautiful young woman.”
The Democratic National Committee said Thursday that it would display a mobile billboard in Eagle Pass during Trump’s visit criticizing him over his efforts to kill the bipartisan border bill and his immigration agenda.
“If given the chance, Trump would double down on his cruel, chaotic, and inhumane immigration agenda of ripping away children from their parents, rounding up people into detention camps, and using the military to carry out mass deportations,” DNC spokesperson Alex Floyd said in a statement.
“When voters head to the ballot box this November, they’ll remember how Trump put himself and his political ambitions ahead of securing the border and delivering for the American people.”
The Biden administration argued the migration was due to other factors, including seasonal fluctuations, recent hurricanes in Central America and misinformation promoted by human smugglers.
Border cities in Texas, such as El Paso and Eagle Pass, have been overwhelmed at times with an unprecedented influx that has stretched local resources thin and prompted frantic calls for federal help.
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Their puppet master told them to do so.

These comments remind me that the fediverse is just a small version of reddits echo camber.

Biden made a direct appeal to Trump, asking him to join him in telling Congress to pass the bill, which was tanked after Trump rallied his allies in Congress against it.
“You know and I know it’s the toughest, most efficient, most effective border security bill this country’s ever seen,” Biden said. “So instead of playing politics with the issue, why don’t we just get together and get it done?”
What a fucking rag. Read the above and tell me where Biden invited Trump to work together.
Fuck NBC.
- "Why don't we just get together and get it done?"
  Seems like an invitation to work together to me.

Okay, so there's a master example of how to finesse your opponent. The guy may be 81 years old, but his brain is working just fine.
- Dude is the definition of speak softly and carry a big stick. He's fucking smart. He's done this type of stuff all term. It's how he kept us from going into default.

I am glad to see some effort to find middle ground. The United States is so divided right now, I worry what the future holds.
Though this isn’t really the issue I’m enthusiastic to see that alignment on.
- I am glad to see some effort to find middle ground.
  I for one am not glad to see even more alignment with the fascist party, as if funding the genocide isn't fascist enough for them.
  The United States is so divided right now, I worry what the future holds.
  The mask-off genocide it's currently openly supporting probably has something to do with it.
- Trump told republicans to vote against a bipartisan border bill so democrats wouldn’t get a victory.
  He’s poking the dude.
  I could be wrong all the way around. That’s what I’d do though. I’d poke the bastard.
  Ultimately, it sucks that it seems like we have to hold democracy together long enough to find someone who has the balls to make serious changes. One of these guys sent his people to the capitol to raise hell in an attempt to keep power and potentially eliminate any chance for positive change in the future. The other did not. They are not the same.

Hahahaha now biden is interested on "talks' about the border? F that guy.... 4 years of open border and now he wants to talk about it because the election is coming. Screw him...
- Open border? I think you must be confused.
  
  More like deranged and/or a victim of disinformation. The US-Mexican border is one of the most aggressively controlled borders between countries that aren't at war in the entire world.
  It's easier and less expensive (before interest and other predatory student loan fees, at least) to get into an Ivy League university as an American than it is to legally enter the US as a Mexican.
  As for undocumented immigrants, most of those are people from Europe and Canada who entered legally and then overstayed their visas.
  The amount of people crossing the Mexican border illegally is absolutely miniscule in comparison, but Mexicans and other people from Central and South America tend to have more melanin than Europeans and Canadians, which means racist Republicans fear and loathe them.
  
  open borders is when you keep all of Trump's policies, deport more people than him, build his wall, and allow fascist Republican governors to build razor wire on the border and kidnap people
  these people are such rubes
  
  Hahaha nope, go down south boy 🐸👌🐸
- You don't understand biden's border policy at all.
  He's increased border security for his entire term and agreed to further than the most severe border closures conservatives asked for, only to have the conservatives turn tail, proving them to be bad faith negotiators.
  
  What border policy?
  
  Are you actually blaming the conservatives for the current amount of illegal immigration right now?

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