Every language has its niche

Nope. This cartoon is horseshit.

Perhaps as the new hotness to web devs, but Python was a mainstay in science way before Django.

For about the first five years of its life, it was eclipsed by Perl. That's about it. I don't think anything will ever unseat Python as too many people's first and last language.

Python is the language of choice for most test automation

Maybe when 3.0 was new and created all sorts of incompatibilities with 2.x

I like Ruby most of the time, but honestly, I'm not surprised at "sometimes" behavior from the language created by someone who, when asked for the formal definition of something in the language, said he's "not really a formal kind of guy."

Haven't Spring Boot in Kotlin with jib and cloud integration caught upto this in terms of development speed?

I mean I've been using ActiveRecord for the last 20 ish years and I've never encountered or even heard of this bug. Sounds like you came across an especially obscure one.

I spent a few years with Ruby, and my experience is that Ruby and Rails couldn't be more different in terms of programming approach, philosophy, and nature. I don't trust Rails fully, but I do trust Ruby.

and therefore scales terribly ;;

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Mastodon is written in Ruby. Nowhere near as big as Facebook or the ML field yet

FTFY ;)

Ruby was recommended to me by my comparative programming languages professor. I haven't picked it up, but there were memes that this professor was so good at programming he was secretly built by the university in C++ to teach students how to write better code.

Aha asks for Ruby on rails experience in their job listings, so they must be using it as well

Basecamp

GitLab also uses Ruby on Rails

And it's a pile of shit.

git is great. GitHub blows chunks. The only reason it's still big is that it sucks less than any other single platform.

And Wordpress is a horrible example of PHP code

Laravel is a completely better PHP project

https://xkcd.com/1586/

I never did Rails but I used Ruby for many personal projects in the 2000s.

When showing stuff to my coworkers or friends, I often joked how I tried to make my code look like it was already gzipped.

This wasn't "creativity over code" so much as it was the tail end of y2k and all the greybeards were canned so none could teach the shiny whiz kid how to code like an adult.

Without the linus-like code review sessions, they never learned why and how to improve.

Now their kludge-bro mentality has raised a whole new generation.

And that's why people don't know not to flatpak or npm themselves into a solarwinds sploit.

I've written a non-trivial amount of Elixir. It's nice, but I wouldn't say it's like Ruby. It's more heavily functional, and it wants you to work with data in an immutable way. If you're coming from a language that doesn't force immutability, then you'll be miserable until you get your head around how to work that way.

I really like it, though. Especially now that it's getting optional typing.

Elixir is an awesome language. It takes some getting used to as it's meant to be more functional like Haskell, but it plays really nicely with big parallel workloads and is super clean to write

Crystal lang is also pretty cool looking. It seems to be going for what Nim is doing, making Ruby as fast as C.

Don’t learn Elixir to replace Ruby. Learn it to enjoy OTP and BEAM.

I would love to join a cool company that’s willing to accept a dev that can transition fast. However, most of Elixir job listings I find are gambling or crypto. And I ain’t gonna touch those.

There is a lot of magic in Java. Try Spring Boot for example, and things magically connect together with annotations, or somehow methods get injected onto interface on the fly, or an http interface maps onto a function with parameters because the runtime is doing it. This is most evident when you set a break point in some class and there might be 4 or 5 mystery functions it passed through between it and where you thought it was calling from. Sl4j, Lombok, Hibernate are doing the same kind of thing.

Maybe in enterprises settings what you say makes sense, but for the small to medium startups I usually work for, RoR is great. It's super easy to prototype and switch lanes. If I had to do what I do in Java I'd go insane. As for Delphi....

The RoR "magic" being obtuse is extremely exaggerated most of the time and more meme than reality. If you think PHP is better, by which I guess you mean Laravel, how on earth is that less "magical"? React? Next? I'll take Ruby any day.

Physics changes with retirements. FORTRAN should received it's gold watch and shown the door about 20 years ago now.

How long ago? ROOT (and other frameworks like GEANT) using C++ has been the standard for over 15 years, but probably longer. I think my advisor was of the last generation that had to write in Fortran.

A lot of COBOL programs are still running to this day.

Yeah...

Facebook hasn't used PHP for a long time. They use Hack which started as a language similar to PHP, but it's very different now - it's strongly-typed and has a bunch of advanced features, like the ability to annotate functions as pure (no side effects), which gets enforced by the type checker.

Medicine too.

An instrument in my lab is running jdk 1_8_131....and this is a recent/newish piece of equipment.

I think the two newest, MV and MZ, have switched to Javascript. Also, Ren'py is the only visual novel engine I can think of, which is based on Python.

It's easier to code in python one handed then it is codeing in C

PHP is horrible, I hate it, and I will not elaborate. Good day, sir.

Either way, it’s an awesome language, happily been using it for decades now

Mind taking a moment to share why you like it? I am not very familiar with it.

Depends on how you're judging relevance.

93% of webpages could be PHP because of Wordpress, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's a lot of PHP developers.

Perhaps it was before Facebook came along

Even in 2024, I say that Ruby is one of the best common languages available. While there are some weird syntax choices, and a lot of rope to hang yourself with when it comes to subjects like metaprogramming, it is a better Python than Python, in that it has a clean way to approach problems, and a simple structure to make coding clean and easy. The best part of Ruby is that its tooling is great at pushing best practices, like concise methods, good naming conventions, tests with single/aligned assertions, etc. I've taken many lessons from Ruby into other languages I use.

Rails, on the other hand, is totally different. Today, Zed Shaw's essay on Rails is as accurate as ever, in that many Rails shops have just ignored years of best practices on the web, and opt to do things their way because it's "better".

That explains a lot

So is square IIRC

Yeah but Shopify also runs on GraphQL and Remix which are way more modern. This is like saying Twitter is RoR

edit: no it's not

I use Ruby when I need to feel pain.

Bash

Remind me how to take arguments to the scripts 😑

It's the part of ruby that replaced perl. For whatever eldritch horror perl was it was very, very good at doing text manipulation, and IME the only language to really match that experience was ruby.

I really wish I knew what all these words meant. Then again that might ruin the childlike delight I get from my ignorance.

Ruby runs on faxes?

… is a package manager…