Neo-Nazis march in Nashville, leave after being challenged

The compromise is to put them in jail.

They want to kill you, so instead of killing them, just jail them.

I know it was rhetorically, just wanted to give that answer.

Tolerance of intolerance breeds intolerance. It’s the ‘Nazi Bar’ scenario.

You run a bar. One day, a blatantly obvious Nazi comes in, be he keeps to himself and doesn’t bother anyone. A week later, he comes back but he has some Nazi friends with him. You notice some of your regular patrons get up and leave. Over time, the number of Nazis that show up to your bar increases while the number of regular customers dwindles to nothing. Without intending it, you now have a Nazi bar. If you’d have just kicked the first Nazi out, it wouldn’t have happened.

Maybe the golden mean fallacy

While I understand that you actually wanted to ask about a specific theory, it did not come out very well.

The neo-nazis are everywhere, getting more and more in the open, and it's getting very scary for many people.

So I don't question why they buried you with downvotes.

I wish there was an easy solution to this problem, and I worry a lot about what is to come.

For example someone against the death penalty because the courts keep putting innocent people on death row

I know it’s not the point of your comment but that’s not the only reason people are against the death penalty.

That's probably the worst example you can give.

You forgot about when they get together in the social club later.

"It's just a prank bro!"

I think the thing in this case is that it is the job of police to pull over a box truck full of human cargo. The implication here is so you think they'd have let a truck they knew was full of immigrants just drive away?

It's not cops job to pull over dozens of people not following traffic laws like wearing a seatbelt?

Sure seems like it's literally their job, but they just didn't want to do it when it Nazis. Wonder why that is?

If they weren’t causing any trouble, then the police are supposed to let them be, for better or for worse.

It's neat that this is a consideration now that it benefits nazis.

You're almost there. Yes their primary role is to protect capital interests through systemic oppression. They selectively enforce certain laws over others.

They will beat down peaceful leftist and progressive demonstrations through the enforcement of petty law breaking like jay walking. I've been witness to this. They could do this here but they choose not to because capitalism requires systemic racism.

Nazi ideology is explicit violent and encourages murder of non-white people and others, there is no constitutional protection for literally threatening someone's life even if only through words.

If you menancingly say to someone "I'm going to kill you" you can be charged with a crime for that in the US. Supporting Naziism is little different than saying "I encourage the murder of Jews and other non-Aryans."

Nazis marching are an explicit threat to all minorities and queer people. It should be treated as any other threat of violence is- as a violation of the law and disallowed.

You are right of course.

I don't think the Constitution should protect them. Hell, I don't even think laws against murder should protect them.

But they do. If they break the law, throw the book at them. Until then, it's our job to try and change the law or fight them on other fronts, such as in civil court, like they are doing in Massachusetts.

Childish take.

Tolerance will never extend to protect intolerance. Hate and violence will never be considered protected. It's not "for better or worse" douche, it's for WORSE because they are a violent hate group that wants to kill. Is this really so hard to comprehend?

It could just be way cheaper too

Nazis are historically stupid. Modern Nazis aren't any different

They are neo-Nazis, thinking skills are not one of their strong suits. If the Nazis actually came back they'd have them all executed (like they did last time) because these people are useless. They are all far too self-important to follow orders, and too thick for command.

So what you're saying is, "keep taking uhauls Nazis"?

I mean, if you could think of any group that would put a pile of people in an insafe unventilated box Nazi is pretty high up there.

I say they should do it again.

https://youtu.be/nHR5GlPPqQ0

Who would be available to cite them? All the cops are in the back of the U-Haul.

Someone would have had to call it in that saw them getting out (or piling in), otherwise nobody knows what's inside.

Wouldn't be suprised if Tennessee didn't have seatbelt laws.

Some of those that work forces

Hey the only thing that can stop bad guys with U-Hauls are good guys with U-Hauls

Time to give them a pocket of sunflower seeds.

I always assumed it would be like Lord of the Rings. When evil creatures die, they get burned, and nothing ever grows there again, the landscape permanently defiled.

Lemmy is actually leftist unlike Reddit.

Telling Nazis they should follow Hitler’s lead and kill themselves is just a Tuesday here.

Yeah, I know.

Don't be too gung ho either though, if you're going that route you have to be able to defend the idea that you argued based on the evidence of the case, because otherwise they'll try to charge you with perjury for lying during jury questioning, they'll do this because they designed the questions specifically to adversarially try to weed out anyone who'll blatantly ignore the law and evidence in favor of how they think the case should be decided.

Don't be too mad at them though, if everyone started doing that, they'd basically have no job.

the American government and many more literally went to war with the nazis once, it's okay. It's okay to say "the Nazis must not have a voice", and giving the nazis a voice, and a platform, is not how it should be.

if you don't stop it now, it will get worse.

How else you supposed to know who needs a punching?

Everyone deserves a voice unless their message is one of hatred and in support of violent oppression. That is the line, and nazis are on the wrong side of the line.

Many people have said the same, and many people have died. Please take the words of this comment section into your mind and give it a second thought. Nazis can't share the same privilege to "speak freely" when they only conduct hate speech to rally others to harm people. That's regulated in a million ways; basically obscenity laws only exist because we don't want Nazis to.

On the other hand, if you see someone punch a nazi, no you didn't. That nazi fell.

If you value freedom of expression, that doesn't mean you need to extend that to people who fundamentally oppose it. To maximize freedom of expression, you can't tolerate the people who would outright destroy it.

It's also a slippery slope argument. We can just crack down on Nazis. And as for the government cracking down on other groups... they already do that. We see crackdowns on plenty of other demonstrations, with more repression and violence. Tolerating Nazis isn't helping the good guys, because people in power don't care about applying the rules evenly. Besides, even if we took the slippery slope seriously, then we have to consider what happens when we just let literal Nazis go about their business.

We can just, as a society, say fuck nazis, and not tolerate them.

No.

Fuck nazis

This isn't a 'matter of opinion'.

There is NO middle ground between genocide and peace. And their ideals ALWAYS lead to that.

The only good nazi is a dead nazi, the fact our country gives them freedom to speak proves how far we have slipped down the fascist ramp.

Nazis are a blight on society, any time you give them a finger they take the whole arm, tattoo it full of swastikas and feed it to their ravenous dogs.

You don't need to be tolerant to the intolerant. They are the ones who broke the social contract by ascribing themselves to an ideology that is literally about genociding any group that doesn't conform to their view.

The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. No exceptions.

Actually yes.

Because absolute Freedom of Speech is absolutely stupid.

No country should allow you cry fire at a crowded event without consequences because of free speech.

No country should allow you to lie in court without consequences because of free speech.

No country should allow you to make death threats without consequences because of free speech.

No country should allow you to tell lies in verbal or written contract because of free speech

Because there are certain rules our society is build upon.

Freedom of Speech is a right granted to you by the democratic society and framework of laws. Those intentionally leaving the implicit agreements of democratic society or established law behind (and literal nazis qualify) should lose protection of the same.

I'm against nazis

Not for folks who openly advocate against it themselves.

The rights of a democracy ought not be permitted to protect acts fully intended at undermining the democratic rights of the people.

Encouraging an explicitly genocidal political movement is not protected free speech, similar to how a person can be charged with a crime for threatening someones life.

Nazis are literally trying to take the free speech away from others

nazis don't deserve any freedoms at all.

There is no middle ground between genocide and peace.

I'm pretty alright with killing self-identified nazis.

Oh, so no burning then, compost it is. Good thinking, more sustainable!

What's wrong with being a janitor?

Apart from the other issue of you insulting janitors, you're also insulting libraries.

Here's your downvote

I hate the illinois nazi meme being trotted out in every fuckdamn thread.

Yes, we get it, you watched Blues Brothers, now find a meme that isn't older than the internet.

Full disclosure so you don't misunderstand: to hell with nazis, the only good fascist is a corpse.

Some of those who work forces....

Not every Republican is a Nazi. But, every Nazi is Republican.