elite gaming rule

Pc gamers when their 350$ handheld laptop has a bigger library, more backwards compatibility, and cross platform access without any monthly subscriptions.

Don't forget the mods, console fanboys only get their approved mods while PC gets the wild west experience
- Don't forget console commands to work around a bug in a quest. Or summon items. Or respawn accidentally killed NPCs.
- If I can't play stalker gamma on it it's basically worthless
I can pirate very easily too - probably saved me about $3k in game costs alone while still having a way larger legit library than 99% of Consol owners
- I've had three gaming PCs and spent maybe $10K in computer parts in the last fifteen years. I know I've definitely saved more than that versus having a console.
- denuvo has changed this somewhat

PC Gamers: buys $550 Steam Deck

Console Gamers: . . . shit

$460 (64gb version + 1tb SD card)
Let's be honest, the Steam Deck is a console.
- It's a handheld computer. It's more of a glorified gaming tablet than a console. It's no more of a console than a gaming laptop with the same APU.
- Yes, but also no.

My PC is better than my console, that's for sure. I have the Xbox 360.
- I have a ps2
- Mine actually isn't. It's better than a PS4 but not as good as a PS5 (which I have).

I'm just happy I can watch my porn on 4k on the second screen with music, while still playing on ultra in my games. Makes me feel like I am at a bar.

What if my $300 PC is better than your $400 console?

What if it had more utilities than just gaming and streaming?

What if my $1500 PC built 5 years ago has been more capable than multiple generations of consoles that have been released since? My brother has bought like 3 XBoxes in the same amount of time and my PC still outpaces it by a pretty wide margin.
- 5 years ago
  
  multiple generations of consoles
  
  There has only been one generation of consoles released since.
  
  The Switch successor might count as another generation if that comes out this year, though, and it would also be a sad state of affairs if your PC wasn't more powerful than mobile hardware so that's basically a given, I'll give you that.

Lowest price I can find for a PS5 is $500

That's less than I've put into my PC since the PS4

Edit: Just realized that the CPU I recently upgraded from predates the PS4.

Plus, no monthly fees for online play on PC.
- That depends on the game you’re playing, not the platform, right?
  
  Right?
- That's why I only get sp games that are exclusive to Playstation with mine. I mean technically Bloodborne and Demon's Souls have multiplayer but I'm totally fine not seeing bloodstains and messages that say "try jumping" everywhere or having some rando invade me.
  
  At the same time, most of those exclusives are PS4 games so unless you really want the 5 or 6 games that are only on PS5, you could save money and get a PS4.

PC is cheaper in the long run.

You don't need new controllers or any proprietary accessories when switching console and you can buy games on steam sales (which can be insanely cheaper).

You can also update your pc if you want it to last a bit longer.

I think consoles made more sense back then. If you like your console that's fine, but I'm pretty sure pc is much cheaper and last longer when you consider all those factors.

I know it's a meme, but you don't need $3K for decent gaming PC unless you want overkill performance. If you get components on sale, you can build something pretty good for $600 to $700 (excluding monitor, mouse and keyboard). You just be patient and fool around on pcpartpicker.

You aren't getting a "pretty good" gaming PC for $600-$700, be serious now. That doesn't invalidate most of your other points, but your exaggerations weaken your message.
- Here you go, bud. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N3cVgB
  
  This matches my $2,000+ build from 6 years ago. I still use it today, and I have no plans to upgrade still. It runs modern games at at least 50-80 fps at 4k.
  
  This build is $652.99. It doesn't include windows, but I paid $19 for windows pro, and Linux is free.
- I'm serious. You won't have ray tracing shenanigans or whatnot, but you'll run everything 1080p at max settings smoothly. You just need to wait for components to be on sale (especially the gpu and the cpu). Like I said, it doesn't include peripherals. That's what I did, it totally can be done.
- You can if you buy used, but yeah, I think $1000 is about the minimum for a complete build, new.
- While I definitely agree for desktop situation. The landscape for PC gaming has changed dramatically, there are some sub ~$1000 laptops that are not bad entry points. Same with the Steam Deck and ROG Ally, both are decent entry points for someone interested in PC gaming with not a massive budget.
- Any "game" that takes a PC over $600 (or even that) to run isn't a good game, it's a garbage barely interactive movie with vaguely game-like elements that unlock new parts of the story.
  
  The more power required to run something, the more garbage it is. Sell only lowish-end PCs and make good games. Then kill off consoles like they should have years and years ago.
  
  Also, anything over 1080/60hz (also, VR) is a scam made to suck more money out of your pocket for fucking nothing.
- I mean, that was what mine cost back in like 2014, and I would've kept it that way for a while if not for my growing interest in VR, which admittedly had me shelling out another $200 for a GPU in around 2016. It trchnically wasn't a gaming PC, sure, but it's kept up pretty well in recent time. I still don't see myself having to replace any parts for a while now - I'm consistently still able to play current games on medium-high settings, occasionally having to turn things down a bit for games like Darktide.
  
  I mean, technically it referred to itself as an office PC and not a gaming PC, but that's just pedantics when it works all the same.
also steam sales are often way better than sales on console which is only part of the year and only games atleast a year or two old but still if you're patient you can get really good deals for games on pc
- You get to run older games that use to run like shit on previous console generations without waiting for a "remaster" and paying $70 for it. Current generation games will run better on future versions of your PC sometimes to a really silly degree.
  
  I heard half life 2 was really hard to run back in the day and now you can run it at 200 fps on a modern toaster.
The real cost is in trying to match parts that look good together (especially white), spending money on RGB/screens, going liquid instead of air so you can see more of your motherboard, and spending way too much on a really nice looking case.

PC is way cheaper long term because you can pirate games

you can pirate on consoles too, although its much trickier
- And requires a PC to do so....
- Nintendo 3ds balling
- I have a Xbox 360 that has currently more than 800 games installed locally.

Aint heard of no ps5 running linux

ps3 though...
Not Linux, but I believe it runs on FreeBSD.

PS3 used to have the option to boot into Linux, though. Used to.
- Whats the point of freebsd if youre not free to do anything you want with it

See Also: Apple Vision users after playing Fruit Ninja for the first time.

It used to be that you could legit build a PC for fairly cheap, but those days are long gone. Yet another hobby that got gentrified.

Definitely not the case. You can easily get all-in-one mini PCs for $400-500 that can play most any new game at 1080p without much issue. Thanks to all the new stuff like DLSS/FSR, you can get away with a lot more for a lot less.
- Maybe they came back down, but when I looked at parts a year or so ago, the prices were extremely high. Unless you're one of the lucky few who lives anywhere near a Micro Center. There's not even one in my state, so I rely on sites like NewEgg, Amazon, and Best Buy.
  
  I built my first PC for ~$1k in 2017, and it was moderately good. Unless something has changed and I've not noticed, I don't think I could even build that again for that price with the exact same parts.
  
  Or maybe I'm clueless, and you can show me an alternative site that I'm unaware of.
depend if your gpu seller is amd or nvidia
Bought a fine used pc for relatively cheap and upgraded it over time. The CPU from 2016/17 is still mighty fine.
Also NVMe SSDs are dirt cheap nowadays, although they are more expensive than last year they now cost about as much as I paid for a crappy HDD back in 2017.
I have no idea why you think this... In 2020 you may have had a point, but GPU prices have returned to normal after the cryptodouches destabilized the market.

I bought a gpu last week that's was just $120 (Arc A360), and it's pretty dang solid. A high end (but still affordable) GPU would be about $250 (GTX 3060).

If we're talking about matching the latest consoles, then you're looking at $340 (Radeon 6700) GPU with a $120 CPU (Ryzen 5600). I don't recommend that, but that's where the comparison starts. Throw another $60 into that and you start getting specs way above the latest generations.
- Can you show me which site is giving you these prices? I'd love to be wrong!

Consoles are kinda dying anyways tho. Less and less sales even tho there are more and more gamers.

They are more and more just mini pc's with ads and paid online service.
Well the last 2 generations of ps/Xbox consoles with mainly PC parts brought that upon themselves. They need to be consoles damn it, not weak PCs.

The switch still stands out with unique features (and pricing).

Ah, this again. Maybe we can start accepting other people's use cases? (This goes both ways btw)

This but unironically

So we‘re already coming to Reddit niveau?

Yeah, my PC is my identity!

PC monster race

Now I'm picturing a Kelly cartoon with this being the caption

Yeees, let's shit on people who spend money in their hobby and use their computer for more than just running overhyped games at medium settings.

I am so tired of these attempts at justification for "Console Elitism."

Yes, you bought a cheap shit product because you don't have the money or knowledge to build, or operate, a proper computer. Congratulations, you're part of Sony/MS's primary demographic.

It's the same with a 400€ computer though.

If you spec it out right with used parts you can get really great performance for relatively cheap.

Here's a list I put together for fun about half a year ago, prices have probably changed a bit though (Ebay) 13900k: $475, (Ebay) 3090: $630, mobo: $100, (Ebay) 64gb RAM: $100, case: $40, 850w PSU: $130, AG620 cooler: $50, 2tb SSD: $67, fans: $20, (Ebay) 4k monitor: $200, total: $1812

Or you can look at that chromebook I got on ebay for $40 that I played Celeste, Half Life, and Half Life 2 from start to finish for the first time on after swapping its operating system out with linux (which is actually pretty easy). You can also find old mini pcs with a lot higher performance for similar prices used if you don't need a laptop.

Obviously neither of those are very directly comparable but they do show you can get great price to performance in a PC, if you know what to look for.

Play Super Tux 2 on anything for free.

Really, I'm just thrilled when I can run a game on my PC, at all. Specifically: Getting a game to accept a left-handed configuration and run on a 3840x1600 window on a 4096x2160 screen can often be a challenge. A lot of games don't like running in a window, and they like custom configured window sizes even less.

That said, since I play single-player and co-op games, want my crew operating with the best speed and comfort they can manage. It's not a competition.

I just added water-cooling and a larger PSU, $200 later lol.

When I think about it I realize I could spend my money on other things but hey, having dual 32 inch screens is better than outside.