11mo ago

Sudo is coming to windows

Source: https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2024/02/08/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-26052-canary-and-dev-channels/

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sudo stop telemetry
- Can't wait for SystemD for Windows
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  sudo systemctl disable telemetry
  
  I honestly want that. I much prefer managing services with systemd.
- no
  
  And this incident has been reported. As have all your activities, searches, sites, and keystrokes
- ERROR: Fuck you! What do you think, we're Linux? How will we earn them monies without your data?

Win12 confirmed as a Linux mint cinnamon derivative distro.
- No, that would be too soon. It took them over 20 years to make a package manager, 15 years to add tabs to Windows Explorer. Maybe in 10-20 years they will do it.
  
  package manager
  They've got winget recently so they get closer than you think.
  https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli
  
  Win12 confirmed 2044 release date.
- "linux mint, but it sells your data"
  i know microsft isn't really selling it, but they're making money like they do.
  
  And slower and never fuckin updates...
- I think mint is too Linuxy for win...they might go with Ubuntu and embrace snaps
  
  ironically, cinnamon was made to be familiar to windows users (im pretty sure)
- I thought Microsoft was copying KDE
- Sorry, I'm not a fan of mint cinnamon

Doesn't really make sense in the context of windows tbh
sudo = "superuser do"
They should have made it NT-ASdo for "NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM do"
Except it should actually be a powershell module so you have to type out the whole thing as NT-AuthoritySystem-Do
- But it needs to be a verb like get set do
  
  Do-As "NT Authority/System"
  Have to quote it in too... since there's a space.
- Wait, is sudo pronounced su du then?
  
  yeah but it sounds dumb so im never gonna say it correctly
  
  Always has been
- You have a /s but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a really long syntax
- ntassdo

Oh thank goodness, having to spawn a full admin terminal every time you need that is such a pita
- And there is absolutely no way, that I could find, to create or pin a shortcut to eg WinTerm, which would launch it as admin.
  
  Actually, that's an easy one to workaround: hold down Ctrl+shift when you click on it (or any pinned application) and it will launch it elevated. Makes that part feel so much simpler and straightforward when I found that out.
- gsudo
  
  Yeah, I'm sure my IT security would love me putting that on the servers I manage
  Though, apparently, this is not going to be added to Server anyway...boo

new
"sudo was initially released: circa 1980"
Random sidenote, today I learned that not only does sudo have a logo, it's in direct reference to a classic xkcd strip.
- They're also aknowledging that it already existed... It's new to windows. I don't like them either but you don't need to actively look for shit to be upset at them over.
  
  I was poking fun at MS for promoting a new feature which has existed on other platforms since the early 80s and should have had a Windows equivalent ages ago.
  I'm curious, what part of my comment makes you think I'm upset? I genuinely don't know how you came to that conclusion, and if I do come off as upset for making a joke I'd like to avoid that in the future.
- The sandwich with a face makes me feel uncomfortable for some reason
  
  This sandwich is definitely the type of sandwich to eat humans as revenge for its kind.
  
  it has that creepy uncle look going
- Kinda wish I didn't know it had a logo. Those eyes are staring into my soul
- today I learned that not only does sudo have a logo,** it’s in direct reference to a classic xkcd strip**.
  this is definitely not directed at you but hearing xkcd described as classic makes me feel old :)
  
  Oh I didn't mean to classify xkcd itself as "classic"! It's just that #149 is probably one of Randall Munroe's most iconic comics and one of the first ones that come to my mind when I think of xkcd.
  I must say though, it's been around for almost two decades, being successful and constantly relevant in nerdy online spaces. If there is such a thing as a classic webcomic, xkcd should probably qualify.

Soon, some linux newbies would search for how to do something with sudo and spent an hour scratching their head trying to figure out why the command not working, only to realize they copy pasted sudo command for windows instead.
- Or the other way around
  
  Most likely the other way around. They'll see the guide mention Windows and bail out because it's proprietary

I am pretty sure it won't work 100% like sudo on Unix-likes, so why didn't they come up with different name, like elevate? This command being sudo will only confuse users.
- I think they want to compete with GNU/Linux and attract its users. They made WSL for probably the same reason. They even have a terminal now that almost doesn't suck.
  
  Except it does..... (Its really slow and clunky)
  
  wsl is good for when ure forced to use windows
- When searching commands now Windows garbage comes up
  
  So it's more to poison search results to stifle Linux adoption
  
  would you like to seach Edge™ with our Microsoft AI™?
- Whenever a windows user Google's how to do something with it the Linux thing will show up. Microsoft might need to rethink this
  
  Just block all search results related to linux in bing. There fixed.
- cd c:\folder
  ls Command not found
  Every Fn Time , now they add sudo?
  
  Ditch CMD and use PowerShell like a civilised person. ls is a valid built-in alias to Get-ChildItem. cd itself is an alias to Set-Location.

We already had this function, they just made sudo into an alias of:
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runas /user:Administrator
- No, that required the local admin account to have a password, which is usually unset (and the account is also locked). This uses the UAC system instead.
  
  runas will run as whatever account you specify, so you can absolutely use it to run something as a domain admin account
  
  I think they meant you could use any account that is an admin with runas to elevate.
  
  then, use gsudo. it uses uac and even has convinience features from linux sudo like maintaing an open session for passwordless elevation for a couple of minutes after the password is entered.

Some quotes from Steve Jobs about Microsoft:
The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products. --Triumph of the Nerds (1996)
I am saddened, not by Microsoft's success — I have no problem with their success. They've earned their success, for the most part. I have a problem with the fact that they just make really third-rate products. --Triumph of the Nerds (1996)
I wish developing great products was as easy as writing a check. If that was the case, Microsoft would have great products.
- You made me angry with myself for agreeing with Steve Jobs.
  
  maybe he got those quotes from Wozniak, too /j
  
  Don't worry, all the quotes work for Apple too. You can always hate both.

Sadly it doesn't seem to handle the one use case I really wanted it to handle, which is running elevated commands through a terminal in a VSCode tunneling session without also having an RDP session open for me to click the confirmation dialog.
- You should theoretically be able to login as a admin. I've never used VScode so I have no idea what your setup looks like.

This is the most non-credible real shit i've seen in a while. Sudo for windows? What is next? The whole gnutils native on windows? If they do that I'm going to be happy because i could play games that aren't suported on linux but at the same time scraping all the big pile of shit that windows is packaged with.
Like neutered Windows, like droping a huge nuke into Sytstem32 directory and killing every shit.
No more you don have permisions to do this when i'm the only user, plus administrator. Current state it feels like microsoft is lending my computer to me or something.
Well tbh Mac OS is having the same aproach. I've used old macos and nowadays all the things someone wants on an os are hidden in maze like preferences windows and whatever bullshit.

Windows is just the expensive knock off at this point XD

At this point just release a new Linux distro and call it "Windows for Developers" or something.

Is it a wrapper around runas?
- Maybe, but knowing the ease of sudo, I really hate using runas. Most of the time, I just want plain old admin privileges. Mostly I don't care whether I can impersonate another user with this.
  
  Given what MS did to powershell to make *nix commands like ls work (i.e. make them plain aliases to the equivalent powershell commands without any attempt to convert flags) I wouldn't get my hopes up. (Nothing could have prepared me for the disappointment of typing ls -l and getting an error.)
  I hate to be a pessimist but $20 says they're just making it so they can technically claim that Windows supports commands Linux users are used to and therefore that Linux users should have no trouble in a Windows environment.
  
  runas is trash, to be honest. I've been waiting 30 years for an OS-native tool that allows me to delegate specific commands for specific users to run with specific parameters as admin. Something I can do with sudo (well, sudoers) in 5 minutes is outright impossible on Windows. I'd like to believe that Microsoft will implement this part of sudo, but I'm not gonna hold my breath
- runas.exe cannot start elevated process. Exceptions seem to be MMC snap-ins so you can launch something like lusrmgr.msc or devmgmt.msc with admin account and you will have admin rights.
- From the page linked in that article

scoop install sudo
:)
- Is scoop better than chocolatey?
  
  i have both but i do prefer scoop over chocolatey since it's a bit simpler to use. it's also more like homebrew.
  winget-ui will pull from chocolatey and scoop and winget, though.
  
  Way more stable and reliable. It just doesn't install programs normally (installed programs won't show up under add and remove)

sudo pacman -R sudo
- sudo pacman -R pacman
  
  Wait? Is it possible to remove pacman??

I've been using gsudo for that for a while, but it's nice to have native options.

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- Thanks for the work and heads up!