zodiac sign

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That's like saying Huckleberry Finn doesn't exist. Just because it's made-up doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It exists as a concept which billions of people understand.
- I think it is pretty clear in the context of the joke that they weren't saying the concept doesn't exist they were saying the attributes of the concept doesn't exist.
- Counterpoint: how can Huckleberry Finn exist if our eyes aren't real?
  
  Nothing is real! I'm the only sentient entity in the universe. Now stop arguing with me, me.
  
  Where we're going we won't need eyes to see.
- The Sun's position on the ecliptic at the vernal equinox is not a "concept", it's a physical reality, recognised by the International Astronomical Union.
  
  And the astrology signs exist as a concept as recognized by thousands of years of human history dating back to Babylonia 2 BCE. Yes we understand that they're likely completely bogus, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
  
  Disagree on the semantics. Physical realities are concepts as well. "Energy", despite being an extremely useful physical measurement, is an abstract concept. "Physical realities" and "concepts" are not mutually exclusive nor antonymous words.
  In this case, the Aries/vernal point is a concept used to define coordinate systems using physical measures from Earth.
- You are technically correct (the best kind of correct), but the meme is funny anyway.

This is dumb. Dinosaurs looks are so diverse. He should have chosen a specific one.
- At least narrow it down to clade, like just Theropods or something.
- Dinosaur fish!

Oh. I wanna steal this.
- You don't have to steel it. It's a virtual picture. You can download it and share it with everyone, as often as you like, whenever you want. There's no cost attached in sharing data other than hardware and energy
  
  Yep, OP stole this meme.
  
  But....you mean...my nfts?
  
  Enjoy this FREE* meme
  *Messaging and data rates may apply
  
  Thank you for this explanation.
  
  Shit. Then who I have been mailing my money to?
- cue the meme acquisition notice here
- Np, OP also stole it

I would argue that the zodiac is the proto-science of psychology.
This is people trying to find behavioral patterns
- Faulty pattern recognition isn't something we should be holding on to.
  
  It is the alchemy to the chemistry is what they are saying
  
  The problem is that we still don't have a proper pattern recognition. We could discard all the soft sciences such as Economics, Sociology or Psychology.
- Fuck those people who wanna categorize me so they can ignore who I actually am and just put a handle on me.
  
  They want to understand you
- I just did a quick search and the difference between seeing astrology talk about fate vs personality is at least 1200 years apart.
  
  Economic Science is also about fate

I usually say "Ophiuchus"
Which is the official 13th zodiac sign that was removed because 13 is a "bad" number
- Actually it was not removed. It just wasn't on the ecliptic plane before standardisation in 1930.
  Constellations on sky change from time to time thanks to axial precession.
  
  Username checks out.
- That's the secret sign that gives you the power of chakra energy transmutation. Richie Blackmore of Deep Purple used this power to become a space trucker.

Turns out you can make up any arbitrary distinctions and they just start existing. The question is if they severe any useful purpose.
I can make zodiac 2.0 exist by adding shoe size to distinguish between regular aquarius and aquarius without platypus (above EU 42 is with). So now the Zodiac 2.0 exists with the same predictive power as 1.0.
- Don't worry we already have Zodiac 2.0
  
  And Zodiac 3.0
- zodiac 2.0
  Already kind of a thing, since the constellations the zodiacs were based on have moved since they were "decided", and no longer match what people continue to use:
  https://www.npr.org/2023/12/31/1222132825/checking-your-2024-horoscope-astronomy-explains-why-your-sign-might-have-changed
- What do you predict for regular Aries this week?
  
  Exercise diligence when putting your shoes on, pay special attention to the laces or you will suffer great sorrow.

Dinosaurs don't exist?!
- As a zodiac sign, no they do not.
  
  But dragons do?
  
  Isn't it about time we do something about that? I'm going to write to my congressman.
- No, only ambiguous bones that could be anything and are interpreted to be dinosaurs by old earth creationists making you believe the earth is older than a millennium. Most bones are actually from giants, unicorns and centaurs depending on the color.
  
  Wait only a millennium?
  Does this mean Jesus didn’t really exist and his existence is a trick by God to test our faith?

Considering how the universe is full of stuff circling around stuff circling around stuff circling around... the zodiac signs have moved over the last couple of millenias.
- Yup, position of zodiac constellations has changed, thanks to axial precession
- Not that I believe in astrology, but just because the constellations moved doesn't mean that humans weren't able to track them. They still form a ring around Earth and the precession of the Zodiacs still occurs.
  
  I believe the point is not that the zodiacs don't occur at all, it's that the time you are born is no longer the same time the original zodiac occured.
  
  The fact humans are able to track them is how we know the zodiacs are no longer accurate. According to astrology if you were born on Dec. 1 for example, you're considered a Sagittarius... except you're ACTUALLY a Scorpio, due to the constellations shifting.

Actually they do. The zodiac ~~sign~~ constellation of a day correspond to the constellation over which the sun while be at noon. So you do have a zodiac ~~sign~~ constellation associated to your day of bird. But depending on how your culture group stars in constellations you might be from a different zodiac. If you want to follow a classical westerner map of the sky, they will be 13 of them.
Also, note that the zodiac signs won't cut the year in equal parts. Some constellations are just bigger than other and the sun path across the sky changes more or less quickly from a day to another depending on the time of the year.
Edit : typo
- He made up the sign and constellation Dinosaur.
- Yeah, I also didn't like the wording of the meme. It's like saying "Santa Claus doesn't exist". He does exist, he's just not a real person, but he exists as a concept and influences millions of people.
  
  He did exist but the time distorted his image and lost any resamblance to an actual person
  
  I would go even further : Santa Claus is presented as a actual person that we all know does not exist even though the concept exists. But noone ever pretended that Zodiac are a physical thing, it's a concept and concepts can't get more real that being conceptualized.
- The constellations are made up too so no they don't
  
  That is not because something is made up that it does not exist. I made up this message hence it exists.
  Cultures group stars together in what is called constellations, hence constellations exist.
- Whoa — 13 signs that are not each 1/13 years long??
  
  Check out wikipedia. There is two pages each time one for the zodiac sign and one for the constellation.
  And if you go to the french version, the dates at which the sun cross the constellation are each time in the introduction. It's the date of the first paragraph. The ones the second paragraph is the dates is in astrology, for disambiguation. The comparaison are harder with the english articles.

You're missing out on some wild pussy.
- Ancient star magic that picks up babes is real and look how boys treat it

While most zodiac signs are inspired by real animals, wtf is an "aquarius"?
- In Dutch we don't use the Latin names for zodiac signs (and we call them "sterrenbeelden", which means "star images" or maybe "star statues"). Aquarius is "waterman", which I guess would translate to (surprise) "water man".
  Why? Not sure, but it might be because of Simon Stevin who insisted we use Dutch words for mathematical concepts, and thought up some words like "evenwijdig" ("same distancey") for "parallel" and "wiskunde" ("certainty knowledge") for mathematics.
  
  Literally, "water man" is correct. But I would translate it a bit more loosely as "water bearer".
  Most, if not all, names of zodiac signs in Dutchare are literal translations from Latin. But while most people understand that Leo means Lion, how many know Cancer is Latin for crab?
  
  Dutch is a strange language.
  
  Aquarius in English is normally called "the water bearer" so a person carrying water (probably back from the well)
- Gemini, Virgo, Libra and Sagittarius also are not animals. Almost half of them isn't. But you're technically correct that 'most' is. Which is the best kind of correct.
- An age. I heard a song about it.
- Only half of the Zodiacs are inspired from real animals. Gemini is two humans, Virgo is a virgin woman, Libra is a Weighing Scale, Sagittarius is a Centaur with a bow, Capricorn is a Sea Goat, and Aquarius is... a cup of water, I guess?

Whatevs more freaky rock ladies for me
- Don't in crazy. Listen to your elders junior.

The actual signs exist (get yourself a planisphere or a stargazing app, find some dark skies, and discover them for yourself!), it's just all the magic personality nonsense associated with them is bullshit.
- The signs don't exist. It's just a random collection of stars.
  
  Stars don't exist, it's just a random collection of hydrogen.
  
  Smiley faces don't exist, they're just a random collection of polygons (that are interpreted by the human brain as being analogous to a specific thing and thus have meaning through comparison...)
  
  That's like saying people don't exist and they're just random collections of particles.

That made me spit out my coffee🤣

Pfffft if none of them exist then how did the Rat play a flute while standing on the head of the Ox to impress the Jade Emperor and become the first zodiac sign?
Checkmate, atheist.

Ophiuchus
- Bless you

That's Capricorn is it? https://piped.video/watch?v=WIjBO26qjYM (Life of Brian - 3 wise men)

Primal Zodiac (Which combines Western Zodiac with Eastern Animal Years) doesnt have the Dinosaur... but it DOES have the Unicorn

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