Do you have a separate 4k library?
A new TV offers the possibility to watch 4k movies to me. I am thinking about upgrading my library but I'm not sure if I want to replace my 1080 collection. I've read that some use a separate 4k library.
Do you? How do you deal with it? I mostly add movies with trakt and radarr automatically. Do you use separate accounts?
I honestly can’t tell the difference between 4K and 1080 unless I’m right up to the screen, so I only have a few choice favorites (that are heavy on the special effects) in 4K. It’s such a massive amount more space just for a slightly better picture.
This right here. We can obviously tell a difference but the leap in quality from 1080p (Blu-ray) to 4k is not the leap that dvd to Blu-ray was. I have most in 1080p and my very few favorites or very iconic movies that benefit from the higher res, in 4k.
I think the only difference is the encoding quality of 1080p can beore noticeable, but if it's a high quality file then it's fine. Other than that, dark movies. Dark movies seem to greatly benefit from 4k even on 1080p displays.
Could be the encode again, but I've tried a few different versions of files
I remember an article explaining 4k in theater was interesting only if your screen was over 10meter wide, it was maybe 7 or 8 years ago.
Back then the debate for theaters was should be the "next gen" be 48fps, or 4k.
I'm pretty close to this, I still don't keep 4k, I re-encode to 2k and save buckets of space for the things I want a really nice copy of. Even on my big screen I'm hard pressed to tell the difference.
For me only certain movies are worth the space on my server that a high quality 4k rip would take up. I do most everything in 1080 and specific films in 4k. Besides that most people aren't going to see a real difference unless you have a good home theater set up
Same here. I don't bother with 4k for things like comedies where the visual quality doesn't matter. I've set up profiles for everything up to 4k, and select per film as I add it.
Typically I only seek out 4K content if it's an "event" type of movie like a big budget blockbuster or something like that. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I typically don't have a problem watching my movie collection in HD when I grew up watching beta and VHS cassettes.
I agree. Most movies of mine are 1080p, which look great with high enough bitrate. 4K is for the big flashy movies which clearly benefit.
Nah. My older 1080p stuff remains, but I just do 4k only now. Media server is powerful enough to transcode to 1080 on the fly for any device that can't handle 4k, or for slower network conditions.
IMO the main reason to go for 4K is the HDR color accuracy.
Most movies are mastered in 1080p regardless, not to mention CGI effects are still mostly rendered at 2K.
But DCI-P3? If your screen can cover the color gamut or mostly cover it (90%+) then I'd go for it.
Personally I just have Radarr setup for 4K HDR and Sonarr setup for 1080p. Jellyfin transcodes 4K to 1080p and HDR to SDR just fine for my purposes (note that I have an Intel N100 box with QSV hardware transcoding and tonemapping setup)
No, I can't even tell the difference between 1080p and 4K from across the room on a normal sized TV, so I don't bother wasting the space for 4K. If I had a nice projector with a huge screen, I would probably go for the 4K videos though.
Thats what I thought until I found out how much 4k projectors cost. Now I think 1080p is enough even for huge screens 😂 Honestly, Ive seen a movie on 80+ screen at 1080p and it looks amazing to me
Set profiles for the quality of movies you're looking to download.
I've replaced all my media with 4K remuxes, when available, 1080p remuxes otherwise, unless it's a movie I'm only getting by request, then I might get an encode. Felt good to wash away all the 1080p and especially 720p stuff. 4K with HDR makes a HUGE difference. A lot of the time the picture has been remastered (maybe the for the first time, maybe more) and is exclusive to the UHD. Also, you often get upgraded with Dolby Atmos or DTS:X tracks, which rule.
I have two libraries for movies because my home theater can let 4k + HDR shine while my Internet connection doesn't have the upload to send that to family. They get stuck with 1080 and have never complained. My server has the power to transcode on the fly but for now I have the free space to keep both.
TV is almost entirely 1080 unless there is a super good reason to upgrade past that. I'm not actually sure if I've ever done that.
Nop, I don't have a 4k library. To be honest, my TV doesn't even know what HD ready is. It can handle 1080i, but full HD, nop. (And I already have a hard time seeing the difference between 720p and 1080p)
LOL meanwhile even if I have a 4k monitor I still choose 720p to save space and have quantity over quality
Yes - I have two separate instances of Radarr, each storing their movies in dedicated top-level folders ("Movies" and "Movies-4k").
Overseerr is used to manage requests, with all 1080p requests being automatically approved, and 4K requests requiring my approval (so I can be frugal with NAS space).
Plex merges both folders into a single Movies library, where I can play either resolution of a given movie (assuming both resolutions exist).
I would try the „retina formula“ to see, if the upgrade would benefit me.
Basically apples retina displays are engineered, that either the selected pixel density, pixel size and typical viewing distance, single pixels cannot be seen by the human eye. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_display?wprov=sfti1#Rationale
If you have a small tv and it is several meters away from you, my guess would be that the difference is not that big.
If you're only watching on 1 TV, I don't think there's any reason to keep them a separate 4k library. And if your server can handle transcoding easily, there's still not much reason.
If you have an often-used second (or third, etc) TV with lower resolution and your server doesn't handle transcoding well, then it's probably worth keeping them separate.
I've also started to disagree with the guide about file size. I don't think I can tell the difference, and I'm not trying to preserve media for the future. So long as the video has the features I want, I think just about any file size is fine.
If you’re only watching on 1 TV, I don’t think there’s any reason to keep them a separate 4k library
The only problem is that Radarr doesn't support multiple copies/editions. You need to run two Radarr instances.
I keep multiple versions in the same library. I use Emby, and, as long as my naming is good, I get one listing for each movie, and the ability to select which version to watch.
I download 4K if I can get it. I delete after I've watched it.
You have been banned from r/DataHoarder.
I keep both but in the same library.
I do as well. Of course most of my older stuff is in 1080p. I always download 4K now whenever it's available. I use Plex, and Plex allows me to choose which stream quality I want if I have multiple files to choose from. There is an enormous visual difference.
Me too. I use Emby to watch, and if there are multiple versions, I can select which I want to watch.
Yes, I run two instances of Radarr and Sonarr. One caps out at 1080p, the other one only allows 2160p.
Jellyfin just has two separate libraries for them.
I'm mostly doing this to prevent unecessary transcoding away from home where streaming 4k HDR is unlikely. At some point I will merge them but bandwidth for 4k streaming is not there yet and proper HDR tone mapping is still rare.
Can I ask why your Jellyfin has two libraries for them? Why not set the naming scheme in your 4K library to do "movie title (year) - 4K.mkv" ? Then Jellyfin recognizes the two quality versions and gives you a version selector for each film that has more than one version
Yes, I don't want external users to accidentally play the 4k version so I only give access to people who I know can handle it.
Yep. My Plex server can’t handle multiple 4K streams and neither can my ISPs bandwidth. So it’s 4K download simply for stuff we watch at home and the rest of Plex content is 1080p
Personally i get the highest quality i can. Often 4K REMUX . If a device is not capable of showing 4K i just transcode the stream at the server.
when 4K is done well I can't tell the difference from 1080p. but it's usually not compressed well, at least in my experience, the pixel density just makes the image dimmer
1 library and movies are all 4K if newer than 2010. Otherwise it's 1080p just like TV series.
I think people who have separate libraries don't have access to hardware transcoding, or prefer not to use it. That's the only reason I can see for it. My library is fully mixed, if a connection or device cannot support the resolution or codec, my server will transcode it in real time. Is transcoding the best quality? No, but if it's transcoding because a device can't handle higher quality I'm unlikely to notice the difference between a 1080p file and a live transcode of a 2160p file. We don't have a ton of TVs in the house and the main event TV is high enough quality that I'm now downloading most things in UHD.
This is the perspective of someone with a dedicated 24/7 media server with plenty of storage that is easily expanded.
I tried but it was way too much of a pain, especially when Plex does transcode just fine (w/ Intel 11th gen QSV). Except for DV of course, so I have to make sure I get the HDR version.