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Paris votes on SUVs: voters back proposal to triple parking fees for SUV drivers

www.lemonde.fr Paris votes on SUVs: voters back proposal to triple parking fees for SUV drivers

The French capital's mayor hailed a 'clear choice of Parisians' in favor of a measure that is 'good for our health and good for the planet.'

The measure to make vehicles weighing 1.6 tons and over pay 3x the parking rates for the first two hours has passed in Paris.

Now, let's get that in place for London and many other other places to help slow, and even reverse, this trend towards massive personal vehicles.

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Paris votes on SUVs: voters back proposal to triple parking fees for SUV drivers

www.lemonde.fr /en/france/article/2024/02/04/paris-votes-on-suvs-voters-back-proposal-to-triple-parking-fees-for-suv-drivers_6493516_7.html

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So any car over 3,200lbs. my subcompact Honda Fit weighs 2300lbs. The 2024 Honda Accord weighs 3200lbs. I know eu has many more subcompact options than the US, cuz every car available here is basically an increasingly egg shaped amalgam of station wagon SUVs that weigh 4k lbs.
- I was wondering how they would define what an SUV would be. If they're using weight, won't they be charging a bunch of electric cars extra too?
  
  Electric Cars aren't a better alternative to "fewer cars."
  
  One electric car is better than one gasoline car, because electric cars don't fart toxic gases into the air where everyone's trying to breathe.
  I'd take 10 electric cars over 7 gasoline fart cans any day of the week.
  
  But we're talking a very large city where the goal isn't to make driving a car more expensive "just because" its to reduce the number of cars in town.
  
  One electric car is better than one gasoline car, because electric cars don't fart toxic gases into the air where everyone's trying to breathe.
  Nah, the fart particles are still there though and those get worse with weight
  
  the fart particles are still there though
  As a person who rides bikes a lot, I strongly prefer sitting at a stoplight behind an electric vehicle over a gasoline vehicle. Tailpipe emissions matter a great deal even though EVs don't completely solve the problem of cars creating air pollution.
  Of course, I still prefer no cars over electric cars.
  
  I mean, much the same, but I'm kind of split whether they're meaningfully better. Unless it's smog smog I have some ways to avoid car exhaust, like not standing directly beside it, where I live even the law allows for that. I don't put down enough watts to transport myself to a stable orbit.
  But, just to be clear, this is me arguing against all cars, not pro gasoline cars over electric cars
  
  I'm just mad that my city built a new protected bike lane along a busy road, but the air smells so bad because of car exhaust lol
  
  oh, quite understandable. I do appreciate EVs when I'M stuck behind one at a traffic light for not gassing me.
  
  As they should. This is foremost a measure to make cars smaller and allow for less dangerous and stressful daily commutes by foot/bicycle.
  
  From the article, its mostly about weight with Electric Cars having a higher weight threshold than Non-Electric Cars.
  Also from the article, its not a ban, its just higher parking prices. So if you've got the cash, you can drive an H3 into downtown Paris all you want.
  
  Yeah, sorry, corrected the bit about banning.
- Yup. EVs also run into the tonnage limit quickly too. A Tesla Model 3 single engine is 1.75 tons (no extra parking costs), but the dual motor is over 2 tons.
  The US has way too many vehicles that should be about 20-30% smaller and lighter for basic city driving. Even the "small" vehicles aren't small anymore.

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