To End 'Nightmare' in Gaza, Sanders Moves to Block Funding for Israeli Weapons

With all due respect to her, which is none, Nancy Pelosi needs to go away and never speak to the public about anything again.

This is just the latest example of why I lol so hard when some con whines about Nancy and claims she is some kind of radical leftist.

After I catch my breath, I ask them exactly which policies make her "radical" and be as specific as possible. Not sure I've ever had an answer that involved anything coherent - maybe one of them has complained about her insider trading, but don't seem to realize it's not confined to her or even just Democrats.

I find her exhausting for a lot of reasons, but they just have been told to hate her because she's a women of some prominence who does not have their lips wrapped around the base of tiny d's mushroom and the right wing haaaaaates that.

Though it makes me sad, you are probably right. Wayyyyy too many people levy this kind of thing at Sanders (and Chomsky, lol) as a supposedly serious charge.

I'll be honest, almost downvoted them.

israel won't stop until they've ethnically cleansed all of Gaza and the West Bank. Whether they do it through genocide or forced emigration or a combination of the two, that is the real objective. Hamas is israel's #1 asset in this mission since it gives them the excuse and idiots actually believe this excuse.

Israel can stop the famine right now, just by letting aid in or civilians out. It's not even about the 2,000 pound bombs anymore. That was abhorrent. This is systemic murder.

Israel isn't going to stop

Could have just finished your sentence there. They only care about the hostages for political optics and they know as well as anyone that you don't stop terrorism just by killing the leaders. Their goal is to kill or displace as many Gazans as possible and then take over the area and the fossil gas on the coast. Everything else is just pretense.

Civilian casualties are a by product of war.

Israel are killing TWICE as many civilians as Hamas, though, by their own admission. They refuse to prove it though, so it's probably much worse in reality. That's not a by-product. That's genocide.

This war won't end until the objectives have been accomplished.

Unless the West stops them, you're right about that, even as you're completely wrong about what the actual objectives are.

Of course it would all be over if Hamas surrendered,

First of all it wouldn't. Second of all, their radical ideology makes surrender impossible.

the internet meme version of "genocide" Israel is accused of

These are the actual criteria as per the genocide convention, for it to qualify as a genocide:

any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:

• Killing members of the group; ✅️
• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; ✅️
• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; ✅️
• Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; ✅️
• Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. ❓️

So as you see, it's not a meme. By the official and only pertinent definition of genocide, the Israeli government IS committing genocide.

Hamas is fucking terrible. What they did was terrible. What Israel is currently doing in retaliation is terrible.

I would love it if Hamas surrendered if that immediately stopped all the killing. They won't though.

1700+ dead. 250 hostages, in a country of 9+ million people.

27000+ dead, in a small strip of land that had 2+ million people.

It's beyond fucking retribution at this point.

I would like to know what you think Israel would do if they accomplish their objectives?

They have killed more civilians than Hamas has members.

Yes. Neoliberals are conservatives.

10, but your point very much stands. Especially since that was just about commissioning an audit of sorts!

True.

And if you don't live in a swing state then your vote doesn't really matter.

I understand where you are coming from, and if you decide to do the 'lesser of two evils approach', I'm not mad at you. It's a much better response than voting for the Dems because you believe they aren't evil.

I'm torn, because I quite obviously do not want any fascist-leaning-anyone to win, but I'm also horrified at the long term impact of a two-evil-party system. I've been paying closer and closer attention every four year cycle and the Manchin-Sinema block was the start of the end for me. The final nail was somewhere between finding out about Pelosi and her finances and the "we have power now, but vote for us next time and we will really do something about women's bodily autonomy".

If I find an independent I agree with I'll vote for them. If not I'll write in Bernie. You may end up on the correct side of history as I stand weeping into a burning creator that was once a hopeful country.

Added context: I'm blue County red state.

I agree. If you are in a decidedly red state that will already vote for a Republican. A socialist runner up would be hilarious.

So, we should just keep supplying more?

I agree that we should take it further. Support, and demand, a cease fire now. There is a lot of inertia and this is a step in the right direction where a lot of other people are running in the wrong direction.

The iron dome requires missiles to fire with, dumbass. Wouldn’t stop working right away sure, but one saturation attack and they’d be out.