Mass Grave in Gaza Points to “Execution-Style” Killings by Israeli Forces

Well that... that... that changes everything!

I think they're delusional enough that there's value in giving them the space to lay that delusion out for all to see. They're one of the best arguments against themselves.

It's all the work of Schrodinger's terrorist sniper. He's killed every Palestinian!

If you're going to play devil's advocate at least know the facts. There WERE Jewish militant groups that resisted the Nazis. The oppressed are justified to fight back.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising

Al Jazeera has more detailed eye witnesses statement's and video about the mass grave found. Independent investigations are being called for but this is breaking news so that could take some time

Also reported on Common Dreams and Middle East Eye.

Democracy Now have a left-wing bias, but are a factual source. . That said, I'm not here to defend them - nor do I have much interest in this particular article or event.

I was asking about the broader situation, action, policy and rhetoric. My views are based more on the history of the situation, the casualty counts, reporting from the likes of AP and Reuters, UN oversight, and significantly, the words of the Israeli leadership themselves. If nothing else, when a political leader tells you they want to exterminate a group they've been keeping in brutal conditions, then kills tens of thousands of them, I tend to believe them.

I'm not going to call you a genocide denier, but I will ask you - are you denying the genocide, and if so, on what grounds. If you have any thoughts on the differentiation from the Nazis of that era, I'd like to hear those too.

First nuanced take. Heavily downvoted. Pretty telling where a lot of pro Palestinian supporters are coming from.

There comes a time when you realize putting in the work to be logical and consistent means nothing to fanatics. They either have no idea what words mean, or they don't care, so keeping it short is just as good.

They don't care that making incredulous claims destroys their credibility. It's basically the Trump tactic of inundation the headlines with bullsht hoping something sticks.

Thank you for this. I noticed that there are no photos or other material that show any of the restraints, just the closed body bags with Hebrew tags. You would think that they would immediately photograph or film such restraints, but for some reason, they did not and they are only mentioned in the article text in both this article and the Al Jazeera source. The article on Al Jazeera's website, which includes a video overlayed with ominous music (not something a reputable outlet would do), includes the lie that the men stripped and restrained for processing a while ago were out in the cold, even though one could easily access weather data for Gaza that showed it wasn't cold at all at the time.

From a logical perspective, it would make no sense for Israel to leave the bodies behind with restraints, whereas burying bodies they come across is perfectly reasonable for the purposes of preventing disease. If the goal of this burial had been to hide executions or a massacre, then they wouldn't have tagged them, which would place the blame entirely on them.

The most reasonable explanation, in absence of more concrete evidence, is that these are either civilians found in the rubble or killed in the crossfire - or Hamas fighters who died in combat. They could also be people killed by Hamas (who just murdered a pro-peace activist after abducting and torturing him). I think what happened here is that IDF cleanup crews buried these people, likely without identifying them beyond checking if any hostages are among them, and now returning Palestinians are exhuming the bodies again in order to find missing relatives.

I also have a really hard time believing random unnamed eyewitness reports of mass executions. Given the enormous prevalence of smartphones and their extensive use to document this conflict, one would expect that an act this significant, this unquestionably monstrous would be filmed. It would be the single greatest rallying cry for the Palestinian cause imaginable. Watch any video of the aftermath of a bombing raid in Gaza and you see more people with cameras than people trying to help the wounded. If a random Belgian with a bulky camera can secretly film executions of civilians by German forces during WW1, then surely so can Gazans with much more readily available, much more concealable smartphones.

I checked and it seems like they reposed a 2 weeks old AJ video cutting out some of their footage.

https://youtu.be/E4PtbgpBu9E

So it's less recent than I thought, but still relevant. First witness statements of mass IDF executions were ~2 months ago iirc (don't quote me on that I might be 2 weeks off)

Mee is a respectable news source. One sided for sure but they're not making stuff up.

Israel doesn't get covered much on the Arab side, they're afraid to quote lies from the IDF and tarnish their reputation of factually being factual. Unlike mostly western propaganda outlets like NYT which will happily verbatim quote every lie the IDF tells them even when it's already debunked. 40 beheaded hospital tunnels. You know the drill.

Netanyahu wasin dire straights when this kicked off. War is good for those in power, shit is extremely reminiscent to Bush's position before 9/11. Of course it's being embraced.

Exactly, the issue isn't thousands of years old. The Zionists started this shit in the late 1800s, when they realized they wanted a place for the Jewish people and decided on Palestine. They have been systematically destroying the Palestinian history and culture ever since. The latest destruction of schools and mosques is just another attempt to erase the past to make Palestinians look like they don't belong there and should be absorbed into the neighboring Arab countries.

Jews lived along side Arabs in Palestine and the other Arab countries. It was the Zionists deciding that they wanted a majority Jewish ethnostate and Arabs had to go to make it possible.