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10 days after 3rd party reddit app shutdown, Lemmy's top 10 instances combine for a thriving userbase of 234,000

Current breakdown at the time of this post sorted by the number of monthly active users:

lemmy.world: 101,013 total users / 27,472 active users
lemmy.ml: 41,972 total users / 4,905 active users
beehaw.org: 12,270 total users / 4,178 active users
sh.itjust.works: 17,509 total users / 3,381 active users
feddit.de: 8,675 total users / 2,935 active users
lemm.ee: 10,348 total users / 2,751 active users
lemmynsfw.com: 22,967 total users / 2,310 active users
lemmy.fmhy.ml: 8,777 total users / 1,704 active users
lemmy.ca: 5,072 total users / 1,656 active users
programming.dev: 5,058 total users / 1,242 active users

Source: https://the-federation.info/platform/73

458 comments

That's pretty cool.
I'm truly not being a negative nancy but the last time I checked reddit had 400M user accounts. We should be comparing active user numbers, but either way, this is a drop in the bucket and reddit rightly does not consider Lemmy a threat to its supremacy at this point.
We're doing great though! Good trajectory.
- I don't need Lemmy to compete with or kill Reddit. All I wanted was any one platform to get enough of an influx of users to be self-sustaining even after the outrage started to die down, which appears to have been successful.
  
  Yeah as long as we have an active enough community here it doesn’t matter what goes on at reddit.
  
  Exactly. I don’t want or need to build another McDonalds or Starbucks; I just want to go to the Mom and Pop down the road without worrying if they’ll tank.
  
  I agree. Just give me some decent posts and discussion. For niche things I can go to a big platform with all the users. For my daily browsing, I appreciate a small but active community.
  
  I agree, reddit got too big to be fun. That said lemmy still needs to get bigger in order for communities to actually thrive.
  
  Exactly. Well said. We have all the time in the world to grow. What we needed was a good start, and we got it. Just keep creating content, volunteer to mod somewhere, and don’t look back.
  
  What it really needed was a good app.
  It’s still glitchy though… like on memmy, if you swipe too far to downvote, and go back, the color for upvote is still the downvote color
- Personally I don’t care if I’m talking to millions of people vs hundreds of thousands as long as there are enough people to make it feel alive and like a community.
  
  Exactly. I don't give a fuck about Reddit any more. I'd rather be in a niche community with (some) quality content than on some huge site with mainly reposts. We're not in competition with Reddit. Were trying to be a better alternative.
- It’s a hard habit to break, because we’ve been trained to think this way for years, but try to remember: we don’t need to attract millions of users to be valuable. This isn’t a commercial enterprise. We don’t sell advertising. We don’t measure success by the number of eyeballs we can promise paying customers.
  What matters now is the quality of conversation. In fact, that’s the ONLY measure of any consequence. It’s strange, because in the past, someone’s often tried to use services like this as a way to make money, or as a way to make something else they were selling more attractive. We expected it. It was always in the back of our heads. It even got to the point that if a company did something that wasn’t an effort to increase profitability, we criticized them. Generosity, real generosity, was alien to us.
  It’s hard to wrap your head around the idea that people volunteer their time and money to build and maintain the fediverse, simply because they want us to be able to communicate. That’s it. There’s no hidden agenda. There’s no quest for profit at our expense.
  I’m perfectly fine with the fediverse growing slowly. I don’t want it to be strained beyond what the mods can handle. Bigger isn’t necessarily better.
  
  Coming from the non-profit world, it is never that easy. Even when there is no one officially making any money, there are people who will see it as a way to make some bank. There is also a drawback in that not making money can and will affect the amount of time people can put in unless there is a fair way to get them compensation. Volunteering also brings a huge amount of interpersonal and inter-organizational drama. That is why grassroots organizations and movements have a habit of fracturing into smaller groups.
  At the same time, there is power in goodwill and being non-profit. You just really need to be careful in vetting your instance and keep an eye on issues in a way people not used to this type of world are not familiar with.
  But I wouldn't be here if I didn't have a belief that it could be successful enough as a community. I also wouldn't have been working in the NGO world for the past decade if I didn't believe in that. But let's not have too rosy glasses on. Growing slowly will also give this community a chance to work out the kinks and not die in a blaze of fire.
  
  Agreed on the need to adjust mindset. Initially I behaved similarly to how I did on that other site until I realized that Lemmy is different and that’s ok. It’s a lot smaller and federation has its advantages and drawbacks and we’ll see it in action soon enough. Many seek the comfort of the familiar and are not always finding it. Start by appreciating the hard work that has allowed many of us to transition here quite easily. Take a deep breath, look around and realize that we are now playing a different game.
  
  In the case of social network like this, bigger generally is better for the users. The thing that made Reddit great was that whatever your niece interest, there was a community of thousands of other interested people. There was so much information and advice on whatever obscure topic.
  There's a reason why there's only around 10 really popular social networks and it's certainly not that those platforms are any good. The network effect is important.
  
  I personally don't derive any value from high quality conversations about topics I don't care about. That's why I need these millions of users, so that there are people I can talk with. About topics I care about. I'm willing to go on a limb here an say that your interests and mine don't fully align.
- for me i'm over comparing to Reddit, I'm just looking for somewhere in a similar format but without a bunch of the issues that I can enjoy
- I’m truly not being a negative nancy but the last time I checked reddit had 400M user accounts. We should be comparing active user numbers, but either way, this is a drop in the bucket and reddit rightly does not consider Lemmy a threat to its supremacy at this point.
  Even when considering accounts across all lemmy instances, it still only combines for a total of 2 million. But overall I'm optimistic about lemmy's trajectory too.
- The other thing is, how many of those 400M accounts are bots?
  
  A fuckton. Also I created over 10 accounts over the years as I left reddit and came back. So I know that number is bloated af.
  
  Or dropshippers. Or karmaremoved
- How many did they have when they were the age Lemmy is now?
  
  I kinda don't agree that that would provide any valuable insight unless you factor in the ease of access to the internet and speeds and availability of smartphones and computers across the world back when reddit was in its infancy
- I went back onto Reddit today and like 20 posts in popular had 5k+ comments. I really miss the variety but, we'll get there.
  
  On a good day maybe 500 of those are quality comments and the rest are bots, emojis, trolling, or general meme/shit post comments.
  I get what you mean though.
- Some thoughts on that, Reddit has half a billion monthly active users. Lemmy has about 50k monthly active users. That's .01% or one ten thousandth. We won't be displacing Reddit anytime soon, but then we don't want to. That's the main problem with Reddit, it's too damn big and too damn corporate. The main thing is Lemmy sees enough growth to stay relevant and viable. It doesn't have to compete with anyone.
  
  I did rm -r * / the first time I ever jailbroke an iPhone by spazzing and hitting enter before I’d finished typing the full command. (I’m terrible at mobile typing.) I’ll never forget the full body sweat that put me in immediately.
- I mean, it's more of a threat than it was. In all likelihood, this won't be the last time reddit does something to really anger it's userbase. There is a much higher chance of people leaving in future incidents if there is an alternative platform with enough users to actually have the content people want.
  
  We’ll get another flood of people once they finally axe old.reddit
- No, what we should be comparing is Reddit year 1 numbers with these. They’ve had 20 years to grow organically. I bet Lemmy’s start would look a lot more promising than Reddit’s. And Reddit also had much larger competitors when it came out, if you recall.
- so, like, 500,000 after deducting OF thots?
- I had 3 Reddit accounts and I can’t be the only one with multiples.
  
  I think the stat is actually 430M monthly active users. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/reddit-statistics/
  It's nuts.
  
  Quite--that's why active is a better metric. And as others have stated, metrics maybe don't even matter; or they misrepresent.
  My point was only for those who want to know the fate it Lemmy as it compares to Reddit: Reddit doesn't care right now. They're not going to feel the pain of the bleed for quite a while yet
- Do we know how many of those accounts are bots? I'm curious because I definitely ended up interacting with many many bots recently on that site.
  
  Nobody's ever gonna have an accurate answer.
  
  Hello... beep boop
- Have to agree with others, we don't want the majority from reddit here. They helped to turn reddit into crap.
  I would rather see this be like the Linux community. Just a few percent of users, but all very motivated and interested in Linux.
- On a user-driven platform, not all users are created equal. Lurkers bring little to no value to the platform beyond clicks. There might be a huge engagement difference on a per user basis.
  Moreover... I just want my niche communities to be active. We will never have Reddit's archive of content, but we can get to a point where the Lemmy's corpus of knowledge grows to at the same rate as Reddit's. I don't know how many users it'll take to achieve that; 500k? 1m? 2m? 10m? No one knows that number, but to me that is the number to beat.
- I make new reddit accounts everyday.
  I'm working on a bot that makes them for me and manipulates votes.
  Fuck reddit.

Sorry dude, you'll have to subtract one unfortunately. I created a NSFW account to have two different home feeds.
Apologies for the inconvenience.
- Ummm. I have a friend that has a 2nd NSFW account too.
  
  You and I must have the same friend ;)
- You and me both brother.. Plus my dumbass might have made one user for pornlemmy and and other for lemmynsfw. I need to be learned
  
  "I need to be punished"
- Make that 233 999 and one duplicate account by @Jay@sh.itjust.works
  
  Plus100.000 from threads which is part of the fediverse (maybe)
- Only two?
  
  That's how it's meant to be.
- Is lemmynsfw down? I can't log in with my alt account
  
  Do you have 2FA enabled on it?
  
  Nope, works for me
- More than just, I have accounts on 3 of those 10.
  
  Why? There's porn and general stuff. And this dichotomy is beautiful. Like yin and yang.
- I think it's okay, since people on all platforms create multiple accounts and throwaways.
- Have a separate account on burggit.moe and lemmynsfw for this exact reason. Plus a lot of alt accounts on instances that are defederated (different usernames for each).

Not to be the fly in the ointment, but you can't really just add those up and expect that number to be accurate if we're trying to look at unique users within the fediverse. If I had to hazard a guess, a not-so-insignificant chunk of those probably overlap (i.e. users who have made multiple accounts across several instances). I have made an account across lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, kbin and fedia just as backups in case one instance fails. I might be an extreme case having 4, but pretty sure it's becoming increasingly common for people to have at least 2 accounts (1 on a different instance).
- With this same logic in mind, I'd assume almost the entire population of lemmynsfw should be disregarded from this count, which is almost certainly majority comprised of people's porn alts that they want to keep separate from their main accounts.
  
  Hey, I resemble that remark.....
  
  If anything, I'm betting the population of lemmynsfw is more representative of the number of unique accounts across all instances since there's really no point in creating more than one porn account.
  
  Pfft, I'm horny on main 24/7 baby
- Yeah, you're not wrong. Too bad we don't have unique user data to know for sure.
  That's why I sorted by active users (users who comment or post, not lurkers) instead to get a more accurate picture with the given data. For example, sh.itjust.works has more users than beehaw.org, but it's ranked below beehaw because of fewer active users.
  I think eventually instances with a lot of duplicate accounts will slowly fall out of the top rankings due to inactivity. That's why I chose to look at just the top 10.
- Yeah I have two accounts. But that's when lemme.world was kind of crashing because of that update, and I thought I was doing something wrong. So I went to a different instance.
  
  I made a bunch of accounts on a bunch of instances when I first started because I didn't understand how they were connected. Even now, I'd suggest having one or two on the instances you like and decide which ones work best
- To be fair, I am sure many people also have multiple accounts on the same instance. I am not sure what is the proportion between people opening accounts for backup like you and people just wanting alt accounts.
- I don’t know if this is counted but it’s also perfectly reasonable to have accounts on defederated instances. So if this is counted that might inflate the numbers a bit.
- yeah same, i made an account on 3 instances, since i see some instances being trigger happy with defederating, its just not clear yet which instances will be the most free.

I think I can confidently say now that this is a legit Reddit alternative
- Quickly approaching the same amount of new content created. Better memes too
  
  I think, because it's a new platform that most of us want to see succeed, everyone is far more active to ensure the communities get established. If there's a couple of days without a post in one of the 3d printing communities I subscribe to, someone will post a random print they find useful or ask a question about a new filament to keep it active. This low stress discussion is great.
  The 3d printing community on that other site ais great, but sometimes it feels like posts don't gain traction unless it's on a 1 cubic meter Voron that can print PEEK (translation: very expensive/unique). On the Lemmy communities, there's more discussions on Enders and Anycubics (translation: most common budget printers).
- I confidently deleted my 33k karma, 12 year old reddit account yesterday. I agree.
  
  Mr big shot over here. I don't think I ever looked at my karma over there
- I'm happy to see someone say that. Just made my account a minute ago
- Yeah I've genuinely not missed it, been just over two weeks and I've been having so much fun here I haven't once found myself at a loose end wondering whats happening on Reddit
  Which is surprising considering i still run quite a few subs I started and mod a few medium sized ones, when I get back home in a couple of weeks I'll convert my bots to message me via lemmy instead and I really don't think I'll be going back

How many if you include kbin?
- Kbin adds another 63k.
  
  Impressive
- But remember too some people have multiple accounts and are active across at least 2.
  I have 4 on lemmy and 1 on kbin and I have posted on all 5 in the past week.

Call me when it's 1,234,567.
- But I don't wanna make that many alts...
  
  Yeah, me either.

I wonder how many of these are unique? I'm sure that many, like myself, have created accounts on more than 1 instance.
- Everybody needs at least two. One for regular interaction, and another for porn. I mean for science.
  
  "culture"
  
  I feel called out.
  
  Research!
- To be counted as active, you have to have commented or at least liked a post/comment, IIRC. So if you're hopping around from one login to another within 24 hours and actively engaging on them then yes, you'd be counted more than once in these stats. If you're just lurking, no.
- I'm guessing most of the Beehaws at least have duplicates since they cut themselves off.
  
  Why did they do that?
- Yep, due to the uncertainty on the durability of instances, I have created my main user on a small instance to help the distribution but also backups on bigger ones.

I'm just curious what the nsfw patch does
- ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
  
  We should have a lemmy version of lenny face.
- There is some stuff like auto expanding content and not blurring NSFW content. Simple stuff. Hoping those features will make it back up into Lemmy soon.
- I'm guessing it's the patch they did to show NSFW content whether or not the NSFW checkbox is checked.

I think that Lemmy does need more of the right exposure.
If you search for any Lemmy content on Google or Duck-Duck-Go, you don’t get any good results. This is probably because most people use Apps or secure browsers that don’t allow tracking.
Maybe Duck-Duck-Go need to have a !bang search modifier for Lemmy. https://duckduckgo.com/bangs
- Maybe Duck-Duck-Go need to have a !bang search modifier for Lemmy. https://duckduckgo.com/bangs
  Most likely not feasible, because what the bangs do is passing site:domain.com to the search result. As you know, Lemmy does not have a singular domain name so this won't work for it. As a matter of fact, there is a bang for Mastodon, but it only searches the biggest instance, mastodon.social.

Doing course correction in fixing social media is a long game. It'll take a while, and there'll be turbulence, but this is a great start

great. slowly transitioning into Lemmy from now on becuz fuck reddit

Rather have 240k users here than 240m on reddit.
Sometimes it's the quality of the shit posts and not the post shits.
- Diarrhea doesn't always win.
- Yep, reddit got too big for its own good.
- Some of that prime, homegrown free range organic shit posting

Aww poor lemmy.dbzer0.com not top ten. 😭So close at #11 though!
- The riches of dbzer0 shall remain hidden for now.
- I'm liking the UI on their desktop site.. I'm tempted to jump.
  
  I love to new theme too 😊

and I mean, why not?
fuck reddit, and any corporation that takes advantages of its users like reddit.
We are the ones who give you value, not vica versa. Their IPO depends on how many users they have. Not on the capabilities of your app. And they treated it vica versa.
From then I just made my parade for pro-privacy and for pro-anticorp that takes advantage of its users, deleted my META account thus my Instagram, Messenger etc. My Discord. I dont care anymore. Even if I dont have now I will find someday other options. Better or not, they are options. And Lemmy seems a very good one, even better I would say, just not as user friendly - yet. (Not that reddit's app was good but we all knew that we had to use apollo/boost anyway)
- im waiting for discord to explode ngl
  
  It's literally owned at large (undisclosed as a private company it is) part by Tencent , by one of the most major famous companies/puppets of CCP/Communist Chinese Party.
  China is known for abolishing anybody who disobeys their rules and anybody who accuses them of not being more "Free" or for criticizing them. (Egh egh ... Jack Ma). Obviously anybody who opposes their demands ceases to exist. Anything they can't control, they're banning it. It's a known fact, not a tinfoil one. With dozens of examples:
  Google
  Winnie the pooh - coz a bunch of uni students said Xi looks like him and he got insulted. How shitty ego can you have
  Peppa Pig: This animated children's show was temporarily banned in China because it was seen as a subculture icon of the "shehuiren" (society person), a term used to describe people who run counter to the mainstream value and are usually poorly educated with no stable job.
  Brad Pitt: Following the release of the movie "Seven Years in Tibet" (1997), which portrays a negative view of China's activities in Tibet, Brad Pitt was banned from entering China.
  Bohemian Rhapsody movie: All references to Freddie Mercury's sexuality and AIDS diagnosis were removed
  South Park: well ... any fun who watches south park knows. And there's even an episode dedicated to that.
  Lady Gaga, Selina Gomez, Maroon 5, Chinese Celebrities like Fan Bingbing disappeared for several months in 2018 amidst a tax evasion scandal
  "Time-travel" TV dramas
  Anyway. We all know how China doesn't like Criticism. This is just a list for the bots that will come down to accuse me of being tinfoil hatted.
  And discord is literally a platform with NO-TEXT-ENCRYPTION. So, OBVIOUSLY, YEAH, they know everything you write there. Literally. And your profile name, and your history, your servers, chat logs, what games you like more if you connected your steam, what music you listen to if you connected your spotify etc.
  Discord should be banned from the whole universe. Not just explode.

How is lemmy.ca not in Canada?
- We're just behind cloudflare, the server itself and all us admins are Canadian.
- It is surprising. A month ago they were Canadian servers, @smorks@lemmy.ca moved it to lunanode (Canadian). ~~Perhaps CDN was moved or the whole machine was moved to a cheaper hosting platform since it got very big from then and is under new admin management as of a week ago-ish.~~
  Edit: found the answer from @Shadow@lemmy.ca, TL:DR is CloudFlare
  Correct! The server running this and all data is stored in Canada.
  Here's a blurb from a doc I'm working on:
  Lemmy.ca is hosted in Canada at OVH in Beauharnois, QC with all data on a dedicated server. Backups are PGP encrypted and pushed to the OVH backup service, however these will be moved off-site in the near future.
  We use Cloudflare as a security and performance layer in front of the server. They accept the traffic for Lemmy.ca through a worldwide network of ingestion points, scrub it of abusive traffic, cache the images, and pass it through an encrypted tunnel to our server. This means they can see in plain text the data sent between us including your credentials, posts, comments and images. You can read more about their policies at https://www.cloudflare.com/trust-hub/.
  
  That seems plausible.
- Hold on, is it not? Checking....
  EDIT: Weird that it is private... But I guess that's fine since they're using a CDN... https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/lemmy.ca
  Happy to see that my instance shows up! https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/lemmy.fancywhale.ca
- The great Canadian-Dutch war. 4 people were injured and Kevin's mom made pizza pops for everyone after.
- That is very odd! The content certainly seems to be Canadian, though.

In looking for a replacement for Reddit, I came across this. I'm hopefully optimistic. The last straw for me in a long list of issues that I have with Reddit came yesterday. Lemmy has a long way to go, but I'm moving away from Reddit and will become active here.
- What happened yesterday?
  
  Perma banned from r/Libertarian and a 3 day site suspension for saying "The cop would have had to shoot me too after that. Gun or no gun, I would have beat him within an inch of his life until I succumb to my wounds. My dogs are part of my family." In response to a posted video of an Ohio LEO shooting and killing a Golden Retriever in front of her owner, while smiling and wagging its tail. Absolutely horrific watch.
  ETA: I still can't get the images from this video out of my head. If you love animals, do not watch it, it will only anger you and upset you for days. I meant what I said and to be banned by a Libertarian sub for saying it was a kick in the balls.

I have high hopes for Lemmy, but I don't think that having a lot of users is going to be a super positive thing in the long term. It'd be great if it could feel like younger Reddit for longer than younger Reddit did, you know? Stay at least a little under the radar.
- I'm just looking forward to the meme subreddits becoming less outdated. Feels like 2017 in here
  
  I actually appreciate the nostalgia
- What's a number you're comfortable with?
  
  2
  
  7
  
  I was expecting someone to say either the numbers 42 or 69.
- It's inevitable with things on the internet. If Lemmy is successful, it will become like reddit too.
  
  Somewhat but reddit drew a lot of people in with celebrities. The people attracted to celebrities and image heavy content will be more drawn to Threads instead of Lemmy. At least imho
  
  Yes and no....I am on lemmy.nz and browsing by local / subscribed eliminates all of the memes and bullshit.
  I do browse by all every now and then...but it is not my preferred setting.
- I think because of federation, even if lemmy blows up, smaller instances and communities will be able to exist still. Over on Mastodon, the big instances have grown up quite a bit, but there is also many thriving smaller communities that either aren't federated with the big instances, or federated very selectively to curate the community they want.
- Reddit was and is impossibly easy to use. You visit the site and start scrolling. If and when you decide you want to participate you create and account and start doing so.
  The barrier to entry on Lemmy is much higher. This will keep out many of the types of low effort users that would eventually turn this into reddit.
  Maybe someday the fediverse will be as obvious to everyone as any other part of the internet but it's definitely not right now and it will be awhile before it is.
  
  It definitely took me a bit to wrap my head around the fediverse, but the presence of a "main" site (in this case, Lemmy.world, or in Mastodon's Mastodon.social) has made it pretty easy for me. I hate that crypto nerds took "web3.0" because I think, in most ways, the true inter-operability of social networks is the next "web2.0"-tier step that the internet can take.

Lemm.ee is omnipresent
- I’m old enough to remember a simpler time before lemm.ee was in the top 10 largest instances (it was 2 days ago when I signed up)
  
  The sudden death of VLemmy and temporary closing of lemmy.world pushed a bunch of people here I think.
  
  Time sure flies when you're having fun!
- And it was created only 9 days ago.
  
  A bit more than that😅
  
  That's wild
- I'm a lemm.ee veteran! Yup, been here a whole 10 days now.
  
  Same!
- I just created an account there to avoid some of the lag from all the traffic. I know nothing about this instance, lol.

A quarter million users and that's not even with all the different instances.
Very cool. Just remember folks, don't forget to diversify and decentralize! These other instances have some interesting posts and conversations, and by spreading out we make sure no single instance or community can break the fediverse.
- A lot of them also restrict content. There are disadvantages to joining smaller instances, depending on the philosophy of the person who runs the instance. There's even an instance that does not allow communities to be created on its own instance. It will accept applications from people who wish to create one, but they mostly reject applications on their own whim. I think the future of Lemmy as a Reddit alternative will rely on larger, freer instances to be supported well so they have room for growth and change. I have my personal preferences. I don't want content from exploding-heads, but I also want to see the content I want to see. Some smaller instances are restricting that content, almost seeming to be like cults in the making. There are small instances from which it is impossible to find and subscribe to communities from lemmy.world. You have to search for them on a larger instance, then copy and paste in the address bar in your browser. I imagine on a dedicated phone app that would not be possible. So, you can advocate for "spreading out" all you want. In the end, if the goal is to have a strong alternative to Reddit, spreading out is kind of pointless for a lot of users.
  
  I think there are some good reasons for servers restricting content. programming.dev is one of the biggest examples of this by not allowing users to create communities, however if you wish to moderate a community or ask for someone else to moderate one, and it falls within the interests of the server, there is a good chance it will be created. It might be obvious with that server, but it is almost all content relating to software development. It doesn't really make sense to create a community of cooking recipes there, especially since several others exist within other servers. The biggest advantage to this in my opinion is that there aren't dozens of empty communities. If you look at some of the bigger servers that allow users to create their own, there are tons of communities with 0 posts. I think its good that some servers out there allow users to create any community, but it makes sense for many servers to not.

Lemmy.world is gone forever for me. 😂 If I sign in, it tells me my log in is wrong. Then I sign on the web, it tells me to enter the 2FA code, I have never set up 2FA. Signed up with another email, kept saying captcha was wrong, then just failed and kept saying user already exists. Tried to log in with the new email that it told me it already existed, then it tells me wrong log in. I just gave up
Edit: this has been very bizarre. Resetting the password sometimes works on the mobile browser only, but not on the desktop. Then now it just never works anymore. I already reset the password once and used it to log in, but on apps it gives an "invalid token" error, on the browser it asks me to enter my 2FA code, but I've never set that. When I try to reset the password again, nothing happens Ruud@lemmy.world would you be able to take a look at this for me, please? I don't know if that's the right way to mention someone. /u/Ruud
- You need to clear your cookies for Lemmy.world
  
  CTRL-SHIFT-R if you're not wanting to clear all your cookies (it clears the browser cache and reloads).
  It took a little bit, and a few tries, but it worked for me.
  
  I already did that. Didn't work
- If you reset your password then you can log in
  
  Nope. That didn't work on any app. It only worked on the web browser. I did clear the cache and data on those apps, still didn't work. That include Jerboa
  
  Only after they lend you some money which you will pay back with interest because you are in fact a prince

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

well yeah, because fuck reddit.

Lemmy.nz here
I think it is cool that it is coming up on nearly 2 million across all ~1200 instances.
- Some users have accounts on more than a single instance, some instances may be malicious, home to just spam/bot accounts.
  Things are looking promising, but it's still early.
  
  This is my account on this instance. Jerboa search doesn't give me a ton of communities when I'm logged into my main lemmy.zip account. And I haven't figured out a way to load a community manually on mobile that allows me to subscribe with my .zip account, so I add subscriptions infrequently on my laptop.
- @absGeekNZ @MicroWave very nice! also, greetings from mastodon!
  
  So cool that you commented from mastodon.
- Kia ora from another lemmy.nz user :)
- If you only include active last month, we are are at about 70k active users. Active meaning posted or commented.
  If you assume 90% are lurking and not active, then that value can be as high as 700k. But likely 2M is off target.
  
  90-9-1 rule says that you may in fact be correct.
  90% are probably lurkers. But there is a good argument to be made that a lot of the recent growth is from the 9% of contributors on Reddit, and some of the 1% also.
  Currently I suspect that much less than 90% here are lurkers, but that should balance out over time just due to how social communities work.
- That number contains a huge number of bots. The active users number is a much better way to track the growth of the Threadiverse.

90% 2nd accounts on lemmynsfw.
- Are all of the communities nsfw in the instance?
  
  No, almost all of them
  
  Should we make a /c/science community and discuss the latest developments?? 😂

Cool, I got in before a quarter million! (my first comment) *typo

Hello fellow programming.dev lemmings!

lemmy.ca has a Dutch flag?
- Hosted on a dutch server.
  
  Is it though?

Wait, subtract one: I'm on both .world and .ee
- Also subtract another one, I'm on world and nsfw

We should spread out across it, if the lemmy.world hack and the fact that its admins are even flirting with the idea of fedding with threads are any indication
- What hack? I just joined yesterday and am out of the loop.
  
  More info here: https://lemmy.world/post/1290412
- Yeah I was thinking of jumping on to .ml. When I first started I thought hey they are real big! They must be the best. But nah I want nothing to do with Threads. On Mastadon I'm on mastadon.social and am thinking of switching as well for the same reason.
  
  You can use multiple instances. If you get an app (mobile or web), they can even integrate all your accounts into a single feed.
  
  On Mastodon I’ve already got an alt account on techhub.social; on lemmy I prefer sopuli.xyz, lemmy.ml sucks

Yay! My first post! Still figuring things out such as logging in, communities, etc. A bit different from the old world, but the browser is very Apollo-like - God bless everyone for this! MOAR!!!!! More people, more posts, more POWER muahahahahahaha! Go Lemmy! Go Fediverse! ...sorry, I'm not adding anything other than cheers here.
- Right along with you figuring things out. It's far more fun exploring here than feeding R any more data. Sooo much less toxic here than there. Yes, it has some growth ahead of it, but it'll be a hoot!
- Are you using wefwef? That’s the Apollo-like experience…
  
  I believe the name has now changed to Voyager, which might make it easier to search for.

Was vlemmy.net one of those before it, ah, went off to see Titanic?
- I can't recall seeing it in the top 10 within the past month when I started tracking. It only had about 4500 users though.
  
  I think it was 15 or 16 in the days before it fell.

Heck yeah! Let's go!

Why is kbin never included in these breakdowns? Is it not "formally" considered lemmy or something of that sort?
- Kbin is a link aggregator independent from Lemmy. It's like talking about Mastodon and Pleroma.
  
  But it makes sense to include it here since kbin and lemmy are both link-aggregators and both part of the fediverse. From lemmy.world you see beehaw.org in the same way as kbin.social. No important differences. Same can not be said about Mastodon.
- Sometimes it is, say here:
  https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
  But you might as well say why isn't Mastodon included? Kbin is a fundamentally different platform and architecture, even if the two are largely compatible (as is Mastodon, to a slightly lesser extent with Lemmy).
  It is perfectly reasonable to look at the growth of Lemmy, think of it like quoting use of one flavour of Linux - Linux uptake overall is also interesting, but not the same.
  
  The Linux distro concept is a great analogy.
- Kbin is different software that accesses the same infrastructure. Kbin prime can interact with Lemmy, but Lemmy people can't interact with kbin (yet).
  
  Lemmy people can’t interact with kbin (yet).
  ? You can search for Kbin magazines & subscribe to them via Lemmy, as well as post to them/reply to posts that are federated and the like. There have been some issues/delays in federation between the two, but not too different from those between Lemmy instances, unless something has recently changed with Kbin again in this regard.
- It's not, no. Though I do wish we got some of the same cool charts like this from time to time. Kbin is great.

Of the top five, sh.itjust.works seems to be the best. Definitely the instance that I would recommend to new users.
- Why is that?
  
  Well I would recommend it since it works, hence the name, shitjustworks lol.
  In all seriousness, you can't start a new platform and simultaneously expect to exclude large segments of potential users. Shitjustworks seems to toe the line better than other instances. They ban spam/bots while still allowing most content.
  Generally, I recommend avoiding the top two instances if you are considering creating an account, and I would recommend avoiding beehaw for other reasons. So that leaves you at shitjustworks.
  
  Because that's where the most active NCD community is.
- I did try to start with that. My first experience was in may I think and ironically enough, it did not work back then. Probably improved a lot since then.
- I'm currently starting out on Lemmy.world, any reason to switch over?
  
  Not really once you have an account. During the protest lemmy.world and ml were basically unusable though, but either they scaled or people left the servers.

Now I want to know how many of this population did not use a 3rd-Party reddit app.
- Increased population in lemmy.world is attributable to Redditisfun directly linking to this instance with its dying notification. Other instances may have vastly different compositions as a result.
  
  Sync did the same I believe.
- There is a whole lot of desktop and laptop users who couldn't care less about APIs, but some of them have begun to notice that Reddit just isn't the same anymore.
- Right here. I used the standard Reddit app.
  
  Why‽ It was awful compared to Relay and RIF and those aren't even the coveted 3rd party apps.
- I did use the standard reddit app

What did happen to reddit though? Everything seems to continue as it always has. I was using Joey for Reddit to browse it, ant that still works as far as I know
- The impacts on Reddit are going to be more long term than anything. The technically literate base that attracted people to Reddit is gone. Right now, attaching Reddit to the end of a search is a good idea to get the answers you want. All the open source people are gone now, Google results are already hurting. The most attractive part of Reddit is already starting to disappear. It'll be a slow decline as users can't find the content they want.
  
  Objectively, Reddit will do well as it's just a generational change. TikTok and Instagram got all and about zilch to offer if one is looking for factual statements or level-headed discussion of topics and they are doing phenomenally. Instant gratification is way more marketable and exploitable, so it's best for Reddit to take the small loss in engagement from the technical crowd and be just another meme spewing zombie consumer pleaser.
  The people who really suffer are the ones that were relying on the niche knowledge some subreddits provided or who were using them as a learning/studying aid. AKA the folks that left and the lurkers that relied upon them.
- 2000 upvotes on front page posts is what reddit had in ~2012, 2014 and by that point reddit was already one of my main time wasters
  To them 200k users leaving is nothing and they aren't even all gone, most probably just use both now
  But wait 4 years and lemmy might have become a painless viable alternative
  
  2000 upvotes on front page posts is what reddit had in ~2012, 2014
  They didn't show a 1-1 Mapping of actual to displayed upvotes
- Some third party apps still work because the official app isn't ADA compatible. That being said, most third party apps left are working on monetization to pay for the API, either by ads or subscription. Regardless, all third party apps have been cut off from sexually explicit material.

Nice achievement! Needless to say, the user base needs to grow further to compete with other social media
- The nice thing is we aren’t really “competing” so to speak. I definitely want lemmy to grow, but the community can be a .0001% chunk of the internet and I would be totally happy as long as it were a kind, useful, and fun chunk
- I think it would be great if we have numbers that are increasing slow and steadily, giving this whole ecosystem time to work out the kinks. While I dream of one day everyone being a part of the fediverse, I'm getting a good count and quality of discussions right now.

And to think you thought you needed a John Oliver AMA. John Oliver don't have anything on me.
"Barbie", only in theaters July 21st.
- Margot, you are the best novelty account.
  
  I don't know what you're talking about, I'm just here to promote "Barbie".

Hey that's me!

it is much more when you look at the entire Threadiverse, e.g all Lemmy and Kbin instances combined, it is even more, at 134.000+ active users (created accounts are inflated due to people spamming bot accounts)
(source: https://fedidb.org)

why are so many lemmy.ml users not active compared to .world or beehaw?
- lemmy.ml is very old, because it's run by the devs of lemmy.
- Beehaw has a number of news and politics communities. As one might imagine, there's livelier debates and discussion and lots of new things to discuss almost every day.
  I'm going to use the past tense here. Reddit was more than anything a news feed, at least originally. I suspect that their early days created a lot of momentum around politics, national and world news, since they are naturally bountiful sources of content.

Does anyone know where I can find that bot that takes all my subs for me, an allows me to import them into a new account? I really dig reddthat, however there have been a few scares already, and I'd love to have a core backup so if I do move around it's easily set up.
- I used https://sub.rehab/ to import my reddit subs. Didn't do all of them but it's good enough so far
- Seconding this. I saw it in a comment but was like nah I'll never need that 😂 3 hours later I made a second account and was like fuck where that thing go 😂
  
  https://lemmy.ca/comment/1010405
- https://lemmy.ca/comment/1010405

I wonder if we can take the data in that site and see whether or not the fediverse has a "long tail." Or if the mass migration has consolidated folks into a more traditional bell curve across servers.
The long tail is a concept that applies in a number of ways but I'm most familiar with it from the very very early days of SEO. The idea that the thing you're interested in (in this case active users) are spread over so many tiny instances that they seem like a small part of the whole when in fact they make up the majority.

This is amazing

Who would have thought, taking away a huge reason why people use your platform and being a douche bag about it would drive people to use other platforms.

All i know is I spend half my time on lemmy/kbin now blocking stuff because it's just stupid meme after meme after meme.
That wasn't the case a few weeks ago.
- You could also subscribe to the stuff you want and switch your main feed from all to subs. Whitelist instead of blacklist
  
  blacklisting is better though if you like to see things outside of your bubble
- Block, baby, block. I've been blocking tons of communities/magazines I don't want, and that really helps shape my feed into something I'm not annoyed at.
- That's a good thing, don't fear it

I'm one of those! Literally just joined for my first comment. :)

Add one more.

Thank you for those posts!

Great to see from Lemmy.

Testing
- Also testing.
  
  Third test..

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