I hope someday we'll find a way to pirated a car
In the end, the KIA car company made its cars into subscription models, I really hate this because in the end the car we buy with our own money doesn't feel like it belongs to us. Should we finally buy an old school car ? so as not to be affected by this subscription models or is there a way to crack the software installed in it ?
I love all the comments saying "yeah well that stuff isn't free someone has to maintain it"
YOU'RE PAYING 100K FOR A FUCKING CAR
That's the payment. That's what they get their money from.
Wanting more in perpetuity is fucking stupid no matter what the excuse is.
There’s also the fact that remote start, while shorter range, has existed on key fobs for like 20 years. My ex wife’s 2022 Hyundai has remote start, but only through the app, while my 2013 Focus has it on the key fob.
That’s honestly the only feature that’s bundled in those subscriptions that I really want, though the alarm notification is a nice to have.
I have a 22 kia with remote start. I also have the app (that costs the same as this post so I don't pay either). The remote start sets the car to 72 with nothing else on. No way to change it via settings. Paying for the app remote start is the only way to do the defroster, heated seats, steering wheel, etc. It's so fucking lame.
A 2024 Kia Telluride is right around $50,000 USD (fully loaded specs), but I get what you're saying with regards to vehicles in general.
Like BMW and Tesla having "creature comforts" behind subscriptions.
Not only that, but if you have no choice but to buy a car with internet connectivity, these are supposed to be the kind of bells and whistles they give to at least make it SEEM like you're not being completely taken advantage of. It's like a double-dip. "We're giving your car connectivity so we can sell your telemetry, AND we get to charge you for all the useful features, too!"
If it costs SO much to maintain these services, cool. I'd be happy to save the poor little car manufacturers money by buying a model that uses no connectivity whatsoever. But, for some reason, they don't seem to want to offer that. Gee, I wonder why.
Demand more out of them, because they'll always be looking to get more out of you.
This reminds me of the video game industry. Make a complete game, then choose to remove pieces to sell later as add-on content. Lol. The only thing I see costing them money is if they have to pay for an LTE subscription to maintain that internet connectivity so you can start your car from an app.
They have considered how much the gains from being evil assholes offset the cost of alienating some people, and found that they make more by being evil, it's not stupid.
You keep mentioning "official video by (insert manufacturer name here)". Are you even thinking when you say that? It's the manufacturer, what the hell were you expecting them to promote? "were fucking you over, so here's why you have to give us more money for a car that you think is yours but actually will never be"?
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Not to mention the data they mine from you with their "app" that they can sell to advertisers.
The issue is that with ongoing service across time, the longer the service is being used the more it costs Kia. The larger the time boxes Kia uses the bigger the number is and the more you're going to scare off customers.
Using Kias online build and price, looks like the most expensive Telluride you can get right now is $60k MSRP, cheapest at 30k
Let's assume Kia estimates average lifetime of a Telluride to be 20 years so they create an option to purchase this service one time for the "lifetime" of the vehicle. Taking in good faith the pricing Kia has listed, using that $150 annual package, and assuming that price goes up every year at a rate of 10% (what Netflix, YouTube, etc have been doing) across those twenty years you're looking at around $8.5k option. At the top trim thats still 14% extra that is going to make some buyers hesitant, at the base model that's 28% more expensive.
Enough buyers will scoff at that so Kia can either ditch the idea entirely as they'll lose money on having to pay for the initial development and never make their money back, or they find some way to repackage that cost and make it look like something that buyers are willing to deal with.
To me the bigger issue is the cost of the service vs what you're getting. Server time + dev team + mobile data link cannot be costing Kia more than a few million annually, mid to upper hundred K is more likely so they must not be expecting that many people to actually be paying for any of this
Assume the communication with the app it through Internet. The car must have a 4G chip (too early to see 5G in cars, I think?). So no matter what you pay, it won't work when 4G is retired. With marketing pushing to get new standards always faster, 4G may not last another 20years.
Anyway, bear in mind that once you subscribe, they will most likely collect detailed data about how you use the features and sell that as well...
Finally, the voice (text) of reason.
Thank you!
Finally someone who gets it
Glad to see you here my fellow comrades
Honestly the people who defended subscription models for something that you already paid & own are dumb (or maybe just trolling around) like people who defend adobe for subscription models
you should absolutely choose a vehicle without subscriptions, and make a point of stating it at time of purchase
this is your one moment to make a difference
And then you can't use it when the temp is 0F because they decide to do some maintenance
I do find that the days I need it the most it's slower than molasses.
Imagine your car need an updates or you don't paying subscription fee or but the server are offline & you're in emergency situation, and the worst of it your car won't start without it OMG... that's scarred me the hell out of it
My spouse was just telling me about someone who got stuck waiting for an hour because their car decided to unexpectedly do an update
The only problem with services as a subscription is THE FUCKING IDIOTS THAT PAY FOR THEM
If nobody fell for shit like that, manufacturers would drop it like boiling diarrhea
When you buy the car, you also pay for that integrated, albeit disable, service. To enable it you have to pay a subscription. I agree with the OP. This should never be the case. Now, the culprit is not the car manufacturer, but the people that pay for it. If nobody, or aven few people, paid for this, they wouldn't have a business for that and they would likely stop. Bottom line is, you don't like it? Give your money to another brand.
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This is true.
Go and buy a car from a manufacturer who doesn't insist on subscriptions... whilst you still can!
Something like the XBUS seems like a good choice. They seem to focus on the important and practical stuff, and I can't find any information about any sort of related subscription.
Finally someone who gets it
Glad to see you here my fellow comrades
Worth noting that these features appear to require your car to be connected to a cellular network. This isn’t the same as BMW charging a fee for heated seats.
They could have just put a SIM card in your car and required you to pay your cell phone provider for a connection.
You don't need a cellular connection for long range, low bandwidth communication. There are networks such as Lora that don't require a paid subscription to use.
I have something similar for my Subaru but it's only 4 dollars a month.
It's a fee I gladly pay to be able to start my car and set the interior climate from my phone. I imagine there's some cost the access a network to have that functionality and I don't see a problem paying for it.
The old style that started from a key fob required you to be a lot closer to the vehicle to start it. Right now I start it a few minutes before I leave my building a quarter of a mile away. I could start it from a different country if I wanted to. Needing to be within a few hundred feet would be pretty useless to me.
What about when a security vulnerability is discovered and your car can be started and unlocked by someone else? That's one of my concerns with smart features from companies that aren't primarily tech companies
Congrats on the new Subaru. I also happily paid for the app using the introduction 3 year plan. Hit me up when you hit year 4 and see the REAL price tag they charge.
Very personal opinion of mine, I hate subscription crap. However, I have to agree that, based on what you say, Subaru's cost is much easier to digest than Hyundai/Kia POS.
Same for me. I have the blue link with Hyundai. It’s free for 3 years, then a reasonable amount after that.
The crazy thing is that at the price you are paying for a friggin telluride they could easily raise the price by a few hundred (ie several years worth of subscription) and it would be unlikely to shift sales by much at all but would not piss off the buyers like this. You can't put this crap on your car loan either. I really get the sense there is a conspiracy level concerted effort to try to indoctrinate generation Z into allowing every corporation they deal with to stick an IV into their bank accounts.
They intentionally didn't roll the subscription into the sale price. That's the goal. They want that sweet, predictable, monthly income that they sell their investors on.
They also figured that if you've found your car, you're less likely to walk away for what is essentially a fraction of the car's price.
I honestly hope the next car I buy has shit like this. Because boy am I going to make it my mission to jailbreak it and release my code open source.
Keep us posted on make and model. I sure as hell will try to get one myself and help you test the shit out of that jailbreak.
They're training people for even worse subscription models.
10 years of this subscription is $1500. Would anyone blink if they were buying a new car for 1500 more? lol
I would... I don't want the feature. So why should I pay for it?
This type of subscription is actually kiiiiinda understandable because the company has to maintain servers, staff and keep the software secure because they're handling sensitive data such as location etc.
I also remember that BMW I think? Had a heated seat subscription and that's really not justifiable imo
I had a 2023 Elantra, and iirc it had these features for $30 a year after my subscription ended.
These prices are way higher. Seems like every company agreed that subscription = $10(ish) a month, regardless of the actual cost the features justify.
Qne is this not already part of the purchase? Cars like everything else went up in price. Labour and raw materials cost more. But not even for a second am i under an illusion they're not baking the upkeep of servers and updates as part of the cost with a hefty margin.
Yeah for connected features, there are those costs. A vehicle we own would let me remote start it and lock and unlock doors from the app...if I paid $15/month. It's not worth it to me, so I've never paid for that service, and the vehicle works fine without it. I mostly even forget it exists. I might be more interested if it would report things like fuel level, oil and fuel filter replacement time, and so on, but it doesn't (but even then I'm not sure it'd be worth $15/month).
A subscription for heated seats, though? No. I don't want a subscription service for something that doesn't have an ongoing cost to the manufacturer. For us in particular, we buy our cars with the intention of keeping them a long time, and I'm not paying that fee for the life of the car. I like cars that are paid off.
If I'm on a heated seat subscription and they break for some reason, who pays for them to be fixed?
Comparison on the heated seats repair question: I rent the water softener at my house for $29/month. (The previous owner set it up, and I haven't gotten around to replacing it...it's a "it's working, and I have bigger issues" situation.) At this point I've paid for two of the highest-end home water softeners available, and I haven't had a single issue with the one I have, so it's definitely not the best setup financially. But, if my water softener dies today, I can call them, and they'll come right out and fix it or replace it, no charge. So there is a benefit to that monthly subscription price; they take the risk of it failing, not me.
Totally agreed, it would be nice if you could set it up yourself but that'll never happen. Even if you did set it up yourself it wouldn't be free though
Fuck sakes. Those features were free on my 2020 Telluride.
Simple. Buy an older car and spend the extra money maintaining it. Reducing demand is the only language consumers have that businesses understand.
It doesn't have to be ancient; even 5-10 year old cars don't have this bullshit.
Honestly, doesn't even have to be old. My Toyota Yaris is a 2023 model and it has no subscriptions. Such cars still exist, but they are mostly in the lower end market, because automakers assume if you have the money for an expensive car you also have the money for a subscription.
My "dream" car is a V6 Accord from the last year they made them, which I think is 2016. I'd buy one of those right now and just keep repairing it, and hope no one t-bones me. Unfortunately I think my wife is still in the mindset of "we should buy a new car and keep it forever", which used to be my mindset, too. But she's not seeing the news on this stuff like I am, either. I suspect if I explained "heated seat subscription" to her (a feature she will not buy a car without) she would object strenuously.
But I don't like where new cars are going, at all. I don't like subscriptions, I don't like the backseat driver nanny features that blare out false alarms, and on the whole I'd rather not have adaptive cruise control (there are times when adaptive cruise is nice, but overall I prefer the old-style cruise control).
We have a 2020 Mazda that I absolutely hate driving; if that is the future of cars, I'm not interested.
I'm hoping my car and our pickup last forever. The other day we took the Mazda for an errand in poor weather because, as I said, "It's the most expendable car."
Just don't buy a 5-10 year old Kia or Nissan. Nearly every one on the road is going to have their engine sieze or transmission have issues
Could you unpack the Why?
Not even 5 years man my 2022 is nice and doesn't have subscriptions.
I mean okay but in 5-10 years these are going to be those older cars.
A jeep from ww1 can still function today with regular care a maintenance, and so can a 5-10 year old car. The point isn't the age, it's how you treat the vehicle.
Which is why we have to stop it now if we don't want unfeatures.
Yeah but in 100 years the cars from 5 years from now will be 95 years old
I own a Kia. I don't enjoy the subscription anymore than the next guy but I'm calling bullshit.
The only features behind a pay wall are the ones the app provides. The ones that require an always on internet connection and server infrastructure to maintain.
None of the in-car features are limited. The remote start on my key fob, seat heaters, onboard nav, all work fine without a subscription.
This isn't like the crap bmw was pulling with the seat heaters.
The cost to maintain the servers to send extremely small packets of data to instruct the car for the entire fleet of cars they sold could be less than $100/m.
Indeed; what we need is a jailbreak and a way to operate these systems on our own independent or third party / aftermarket resources. In a REAL competitive market, someone else could set up a server and offer to run these applications (or others!) for a different price. Not that I'm even particularly fond of capitalism myself nor how vulnerable it makes your car to turn it into an IOT device.
This WILL be hacked though, eventually.
Those prices on the screenshot are annual, not monthly.
I'll agree that the services are overpriced, and I know I'm in the wrong place for this sentiment, but I don't think it's unreasonable to have a reoccurring fee for something that costs actual money and man-hours to maintain. And I'd rather that fee be a bolt on vs baked into the price of the car (or whatever) so I can choose whether I want to pay it.
All that being said, I don't pay for the kia online svcs because I think they're overpriced.
You forget the absolute amounts of data harvested, storage won't pay itself.
That's what i pay for gigabit fiber and unlimited 5g combined. (Admittedly my cell plan is one of those crazy grandfathered plans.)
or.. we just need more FOSS alternatives to the car manufacturers proprietary OS.
I already see GH issues like: "breaks stop working when going above 200mph."
I will do you one better: open source public transport
More than likely the brakes would break at 129Mph, as your car is now going -32768Mph.
I can tell you working at an OEM we see far crazier notes like this coming in
Brakes, if your brakes break you break.
Even better, an open source car!
There's already an open source bike. Carrying several tons of metal everywhere you go is kind of a bad idea anyway.
I think the term you mean is old car especially from before 2018
in the end old cars basically open source you can modified it whatever you want as long as not breaking regulations
I might be the guy that shows up at the revolution for the most trivial reason but I hate that it says $59.00 per annually like companies think they're so smart for having business school graduates on staff charging for things only business school graduates would think to charge for but they can't even get basic grammar right.
While I'm generally against subscriptions, for the most part the above are things that require cellular service and cloud infrastructure...
While the price may be too high. I'm normally ok with subscriptions for things that have on-going costs to the seller.
Yeah I would need to see the "read more" here, all of these look fine but I'd never be surprised to see shit like cruise control or heated seats pop up on a paywall.
Put a knockoff air tag in your car and half of this is solved for $10.
Literally one item on that list could be solved with a airtag. And airtags start at 30, even the knockoffs are 20 and don't really work well.
We should be able to self host the servers and choose the cellular service like i can on my phone then
There is not one single new car on the market that I would take possession of if you gave it to me for free. I like having a manual transmission and a radio with buttons.
Yeah I don't like automatic either, and have an aversion towards anything that needs a touchscreen to operate.
I'd rephrase that. If you give me a new car for free, of course I'm taking it!
BUT
Buying a new car, right now, as somone who's actively looking and keeping up with the market... There really aren't good cars for a reasonable price. A lot of new cars have been enshitified.
It's the nature of time that the old ways must give in. Automatics outperform manual at every level, and most people would rather drive an automatic than a manual. Even here in Europe, where manuals have been the "default" forever.
I don't even have a licence. I'd take it. Those gave pretty okay resale value. ^_-
As much as I’d like to drive 90s shitboxes for the rest of my life, the cynic in me thinks we’ll see something like cash for clunkers on a global scale. It’s only a matter of time before the supply runs dry and parts become nearly impossible to find at a reasonable price
Can't wait for the ads projected by a heads up display...
Yeah this is totally 2.5 milliseconds down the road
You wouldn’t download [the basic features of an item you already purchased.]
How is unlocking your car over the internet a basic feature?
These features require the cloud, which costs money and uses carbon. If you don't want them, as many don't, you shouldn't have to force the company to price them in at the purchase.
Can you get remote start/climate without a subscription though? Because those do not need the cloud.
If the remote can do it with a local signal, yes, but that's not the feature in the picture, which uses the app I think.
Install a modchip, or as we used to call them a "remote starter" lol
I'm sure someone still makes a product that you can splice into the wiring harness. And if they don't... There's a market for it
Subaru offer a certain set of keys for it iirc. Their software is absolute garbage though. Either get an older model or one with physical AC controls.
I miss when you didn't need a cell connection for remote start, like my fob can lock and unlock my car from the third floor of my building why can't I just have a button on my remote that does the same as unlocking my doors.
Although, the roadside kinda makes $60 a year worth it just for the peace of mind, gotta atleast give em that.
My 22 civic remote starts from the fob. So they are still out there.
If it makes you feel slightly better I pay about $70/year for AAA so thats about half of the cost there since it comes with Roadside assistance.
Kia's just suck in general AFAIK. My friend has a 2010 Kia Sorento and he has some "device" on top of the positive (?) terminal of his battery. The terminal ring is a bit loose so it doesn't make proper contact with the battery terminal and he has to hold it against it so that he can start his car.
I thought he was bullshitting me at first because he's not a car guy and told me before that when his car was fucking up that it was the transmission, but it was the coil packs. Nope, there's a big black box on the top of the battery and he said that only Kia can service it, and it'll cost like $800 to fix.
To find a car and control it remotely will need a server. That's why it's not free.
it looks like only way is to somehow imitate their API and change those links in the car. I think it would be cool to selfhost such server.
The car costs a lot of money and they already give you wareanty, free service and will in one way or another milk you for years to come. I don’t think one more connection to a server costs this much.
Especially since all the „telemetry” is uploaded for free.
So there's two different "remote" actions. One would be using a key fob and the other through an app. I sincerely hope that the unlock/lock, start/stop through the key fob is always free and these charges are for some sort of app. However 150 yearly seems quite expensive unless there's some neat features that aren't in the screenshot.
They removed the start/stop from the key fobs and paywalled it behind the app.
Edit: yes yes, I get it, I was wrong. No need to tell me again lol.
There was a minute when it wasn’t on the key fob for a lot of the Korean cars. My extra wife’s 2022 Kona, fully loaded, doesn’t have remote start on the fob, only through the app.
I can understand some of these features requiring a $5/month subscription. Anything more than that is absolutely insane. With roadside assistance (depending on what that actually entails) I could see that sevice being bumped to $15-$20 a month,
Tesla's run on Linux and have already been jailbroken, the future is now.
The crack was done because of a flaw in the AMD CPU and not the Linux component. My understanding is it's only good for temporary override of the subscription enforcement.
Can't wait till it gets brought to a service station and Tesla intentionally bricks it
Can't wait till a nefarious actor hacks it.
Reminds me of that movie on Netflix I just watched - leave the world behind, this happens
Glad to see, finally progress has been made
But the script it self not released yet in public AFAIK
looking through that list fully half are internal only , or tied to the remote that comes with the vehicle. no 3rd party required.
i understand all the cellular-required bits.. 'find my car'... but remote start? my brand new vehicle has remote start with no subscription.
My car offered a remote start on the key fob and even the dealer told me not to buy it because the range was so short. I ended up installing an after market Viper system that is cellular and costs ~$100 per year when I get 3 years at a time. So even the after market solutions have subscriptions. If you need a cell connection you have to pay for it
You realize that maintaining a server that would allow that costs pennies?
You wouldn't pay $150 for a lollipop, but somehow people think this is ok.
This problem exists exactly because of people like you, thinking it's OK to pay for the features you already paid for.
Maintaining the infrastructure needed for all the shite that modern cars are packed with, including the person cost of maintenance is not "pennies". You don't just spin up a EC2 instance and call it a day. You need infrastructure across multiple countries, service level agreements, people on-call to handle issues, account management with third-party downstream services, etc.
With that being said, you've already paid. You paid for the car, which costs an obscene amount already. If you own the car, you don't need a separate payment for the software.
Then maybe don't make them rely on external servers? Your car has a computer, put the server there.
Even if all of the intermediate server tech is on the car, somebody still has to pay for the car's internet service, either cellular or satellite, it something.
Otherwise, you're not going to be doing remote start over IP.
This is only half the issue. You can put a server in the car, but that doesn't solve the networking issue. Most have a cellular connection now that needs to be paid for by someone. Then there is the issue of discovery. When you open that app on your phone, how does it know where to connect? Sure, it could look for a local or Bluetooth network. But that would only work if you're already close to you car like when it's in the garage.
Outside of that home network, something needs to facilitate the connection between your phone and the car. since neither will have a static IP address, it's essentially impossible to achieve without some server elsewhere to broker that connection.
It plays on the classic consumer mindset of "if it's an option, I need it!" Spoiler: you don't need it. I understand you want those features, they'd be a nice luxury... but you don't need them.
You're excusing their asshole design of requiring the server in the first place. They never needed it before. It doesn't make sense having to pay a subscription for a fucking car.
Yeah, unless there are features hidden that are hardware based and doesn't rely on KIA servers then this is not a problem in the slightest.
It's vastly different from the paid unlocks of Tesla or subscription for hardware of BMW.
Don't group them under one banner and muddy the waters because if we do then all it will do is normalize what Tesla and BMW does and allow it to spread. Either that or make it so we won't get the features listed or the features will have an exorbitant cost attached when new to ensure they don't lose money from maintaining the service for the service life of the vehicle (or do Tesla shit of not letting the feature transfer when resold effectively impacting resell value negatively which is bad for the original buyer).
Agreed, as long as they don't go the BMW route and charge for heated seats, or the Toyota route and charge for remote start using the key fob.
Unless that "more" button is doing a lot of heavy lifting, this is basically paying for the Internet connection for your car to be able to connect to a phone app through Kia's servers.
Remote lock & unlock? It's literally been a feature of dumb cars since the 90s.
I really hope my '01 4Runner lasts forever
The care package with roadside assistance seems reasonable, though your insurance usually already cover road assistance. The plus package is insane though, they charge that much just to enable remote start via their app?
They also made them easy to steal!
Just buy used and modify yourself with the tech you want. Send a message that this shit is unacceptable and we are willing to live in a less technologically enhanced world if it means no subscriptions. We keep buying it, they will continue to think this is how you “extract profit” from consumers.
Time to begin the era of the DYI automobile. Buy a number of ~30v, high amperage batteries, an electric motor, jury rig the thing to a drivetrain and presto!
Someone at my country modified old toyota Corolla to became electric car, it's used many 18650 batteries for powering
I just Googled and the 2024 Telluride has an MSRP of ~$55,000 in my area, used 2023 models are about ~$45,000.
Looking at an auto loan calculator, that's between $700 and $900 per month with a 96 month 9% auto loan.
Point is, if you can afford the car you're probably not worrying about the subscription except on principle. If you can afford the car and have principle concerns you'd probably buy a different car.
96 month 9% auto loan 🤮 might as well flush your money down the toilet.
And anyone who would pay that much for a car is a gullible fool who doesn't deserve to keep their money anyway, so that tracks, yeah. What a fucking waste.
What happens when the car becomes too old and they decide to drop that version of the API the car is talking with? Huh? That's another problem with these with "critical service but it can only go through us", when they change their mind you get fucked.
I bought a 2021 VW GLI, it has a software component called Car-net that has literally never worked. I don't even know what it's supposed to do. The little I've found is that it's supposed to have an app remote start and maybe a few other features, but according tk carnet, my car is still dealer owned. There have been at least six contacts to the car net folks from the dealer about the issue. I have a remote start on my FOB so whatever, but the car software support issue is so real. 🤷🏼♂️
I've had regular software issues like this in the past and it's such a pain to deal with and fix. Even going through customer support is painful, because it's not supposed to be this way so it's more than likely because of this the customer support experience will be long and you'll go through more people. And I don't want to even imagine how it is to have to deal with these issues on critical software and devices and to not get priority support. You feel powerless and broken.
I have a 2018 Passat car net works just fine.
I had to contact the dealer to have them activate the eSIM in the car and register an account their site via the app. (Pretty standard stuff)
And yes it's a subscription like this for locating the car, updating navdata online and remote heating + charging info. (It's a hybrid)
Well.. I say "just fine" their app is slow and unstable. But everything worked nicely with an unofficial home assistant integration. And when VW moved everything over to their new app, it continued to work on my old car, and it took the HA community about a week to sort most of the new API out.
It's not perfect, but it does technically work, even on their older models. I can still download and install updated maps on it too for the onboard nav. (Though i usually just use Android auto...)
Even if you decided not to find out how to get it working, doesn't mean it's abandoned.
All that being said this is one of many genuine reasons to be concerned about this trend. And a good reason for people that write about and review cars to care about the software in the cars, the support you can expect, and the companys track record when it comes to supporting older models.
And like others have stated. The BMW example with the heated seats is just.. rotten.
I guess you can stop paying your subscription.
I bought Ioniq 5. No subs no bullshit and EV (no frozen shit like in a non tropical countries).
Love this car.
Hopefully your battery holds up https://www.autoevolution.com/news/yikes-the-60000-hyundai-ioniq-5-battery-replacement-saga-continues-226590.html
Got 8 years of battery warranty 😀
Besides, if it fails royally because of design issue, there are more than few fails like in the article.
Is this just for info to be pushed to your phone? Seems reasonable unless there are features in the car itself that require a subscription.
Is it reasonable? I can hardly imagine it provides $59 worth of value.
Game console manufacturing companies used to use people for modding a console that the person owned fair and square. And they won.
For $120 a year the Kia boys can total your car anyway!
You wouldn't download a car?
I probably would, but unfortunately I lack the industrial sized 3D printer required to manufacture it.
Yall taking about modern cars, meanwhile my 94' Citröen works like a charm. Aftermarket alarm with GPS unmbolizer for 50 bucks does al the work.
https://piped.video/watch?v=aTNAghGMnIU
This is freedom hahahaha
It even hasn't a ECU. Lol
If you buy an older car, you will likely still have none of the functions listed in those supscriptions. Just don't buy the subscriptions.
Well although older car doesn't have subscription & sometimes break the emition regulation at least i can repair & modified it by my self, all i need is OBD & some skill tho
In the end I don't need to worry about subscription, because it doesn't have it at all plus I don't need to worry about SOFTWARE UPDATES THAT CAN BREAK CAR, as long as you have gas & your car engine is healthy enough it can run no matter what
Yeah I just won't buy that brand and if it turns into all of them. That's when I dust off my jailbreaking hat and never buy new again.
Roadside assistance doesn't even make sense as a subscription. And, for that price, none of them do.
Ive had a "subscription" for roadside assistance through my auto insurance company for years. It's like $2 a month, and I've used it 7 or 8 times for keys locked in, or flat tire, etc. it's awesome.
Just need some bigger 3d printers.
Well I've seen company that make boat from huge 3d printer, maybe if we can get our hands at that technology level I think it'll work
Lmao imagine when it get vanced to work without subscription.
Charging for that is so criminal. My 2010 vehicle can do most those things already for no recurring fees
All of those things?
While there’s a bunch I am assuming you can’t look up the location of your car through an app or website, or adjust the climate controls remotely, or get alerts when the alarm is triggered.
There are some features in here that require some sort of connection, what I find criminal is that they remove the features we DO have on our old cars from the key fob and paywall them behind an app.
Many comments are saying you can remote start this car with the key fob. This subscription is only if you want remote access via the cell network.
That also means the car gets a lot cheaper because of the recurring subscription model right? Right?
I wonder how they're planning on competing to Tesla like this. They basically give all these things for free in their app/car.
( Not to Tesla fanboy or anything ). But if you can pick between a car that gives you all this stuff compared to one that charges you monthly for it.....
Even though putting money in Elon's pocket is something I'd rather avoid
No because this is only for connected services. All of those features work without any cost with the included remote. OP is expecting connected services for free for the life of the vehicle.
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The Tesla works just fine without the app on your phone? You get a card that works as a key and don't need a phone at all.
I'm assuming opening the car remotely means when you're not near the car ( e.g.: at the office while that car is at home ). The touchscreen function isn't nearly as horrible as you make it out to be, while I do agree a physical button is more practical in some cases.
Hyundai/Kia have also had their fair share of recent car troubles with recalls because they spontaneously catch fire wether you're driving them or not.
Having said that I don't really have an opinion on the brands. I know some people who drive it around and they all seem quite satisfied with the car. I'm sure they're great cars :)
The jab @kia was only in jest. There are other brands who want to use subscriptions for things like seat heating, ... Which I find a fecking awful evolution ( I'm looking at you bmw ).
For the price of car it's kinda cheap at first but the longer you used it became more & more expensive it was before you realize it
Imagine this scenario you bought the car for 100K + you pay for subscription for the car annually for 10$ + you had to pay for it's maintenance at mechanic (things get broken the longer you used, you need to replace the broken part as soon as possible) + you had to pay your electricity or gasoline bills for fuel that car you used + emergency bills like towing the car, etc
I hope someday we will find a way to pirate a car
Im quite sure car robbers do something like that since ages. :D
Privacy isn’t stealing, so they dont.
We had many threads discussing this issue as pirating a copy of something does not hurt the producer.
In the same magnitude (of loss) you could say that robbing a car from a manufacturer does not hurt the company.
Because the "robber" would also not buy the car too. So depending on how you define economic loss this discussion leads to no end.
@devilish666 @piracy I'd pirate a car in a second
I miss Local motors.
Directed or viper smart-start.... Same thing but $60 a year, and can be retrofitted into some really old cars.
Problem is with the increasingly non-standardized designs, it's just not realistic to build a module for every car that's out there.
You wouldn't download a car would you? 🤣
Curfew? Do you live in a warzone?
For if you let your child take the car out.
Oh, I see, thanks for explaining. That makes a lot more sense