Plex To Launch a Store For Movies and TV Shows
Plex To Launch a Store For Movies and TV Shows
Plex To Launch a Store For Movies and TV Shows
Time to move to jellyfin I guess.
Can't you just hide the paid movies/tv tab? Or is it a principle thing
Is jellyfin better? I'd never heard of it 'til now
The biggest problem with Plex (I'm a user) is that you need a network connection just to use it with your local media unless you do a little research to figure out how to bypass this. Why is this a problem? You don't notice it until there's a network outage and you want to watch something. Or if the Plex servers are glitching. It's needlessly complicating the process of watching your media.
the idea of signing up at plex is somewhat antithetical to a lot of selfhosters.. theres nothing plex is doing that cant be done for free with better software.
Jellyfin was forked from emby (emby is similar to Plex, jellyfin is open source) in 2018 when emby went closed source, and they implemented sync and remote streaming if I recall correctly.
It's a principle thing mostly. Plex just keeps ignoring features users want and trying to push some monetization model.
They regularly implement what I'd say most would consider anti features.
For example, I remember the push back on the mandatory "recommended" tab. It's the first thing you see when navigating to a library. Wow. Neat. Some bean counter at Plex is "recommending" what I should watch on my own library. No thanks.
There was also the fiasco with emailing your friends things you've been watching. Just what you want where you store all your legally owned DVDs with your legal streaming rights to your friends.
Then there was also a thing where they began collecting data on your media libraries to their servers.
There's also mandatory Internet connection if you want to have local users :). Lots of people barked at this and they ignored it and tried to spin it as an ok thing. You cannot have other people in your family have different watched status and stats without connecting to the internet. Oh did your Internet go down? So did Plex. At that point how's it different than Netflix. Not to mention we're the ones doing the hosting. It's in our network. This should not be reliant on an Internet connection.
The list goes on.
It works pretty well and I've thus far been too lazy to change, but jellyfin is open source, and doesn't have evil people behind it.
I never messed with Plex but Jellyfin is pretty easy to muss with so it's definitely worth giving it go.
Jellyfin is FOSS as well, I assume Plex isn't since it's doing.......all this. lol
Jellyfin is great and open source. I've never tried Plex, but I've heard that Plex has apps on more platforms.
Also, I'd recommend checking out Findroid if your on Android. Its UI is native instead of the usual web interface in the official apps. Iirc iOS has a similar project.
Its not better, but its worth it for not being dependent on internet
Depending on your server, and how you install you might have a bad experience. I’ve had issues where it wasn’t finding the film/series metadata, having plugin issues, and being incredibly slow (slow UI when anything is being done, slow scanning folders, slow loading saved metadata, etc). Jellyfin, like a lot of open source software, feels like jank. The devs know about a lot of issues, but they’re swamped with so much, with this big of a project.
People criticise Plex, rightfully so with some of their bad decisions, but it still works better. For me, Plex runs so much better, and without issues. I won’t be moving away to Jellyfin in the foreseeable future, but I’ll be glad when I am able to.
I know plex has some features that jellyfin doesnt, but it was time few years ago, at least for me
It's the app availability, LG TVs don't have jellyfin which is awkward for me.
Then again, with Jellyfin you don't have to pay for hardware transcoding. That is the one that really bothered me. It seems insane you'd have to pay to properly utilize your own hardware.
As soon as they get xbox app that's not just a fucking browser....
Sure, you might be fine, my 7 year old and wife aren't. The ui and ux are hot barbage without a mouse. I just want to use my tv remote and simple arrows and for the play/pause button to work.
I paid for plex pass because jellyfin didn't pass the usability test in our household.
Does Jellyfin have a PlexAmp equivalent?
Yes, finamp. I have it installed. I haven't tried it.
Hot take: If I get the actual MP4/MKV/whatever, I don't actually care about this and think it might be a good thing, hell, I might actually purchase a couple movies and TV shows through it.
If it's just the same "license" that everywhere else gets you, then I ain't buying shit.
I don't know how it would even be possible with media files (since people know how trivial it is to relocate those) but I would actually be perfectly fine with a "license" if it used something akin to the GoG/GOO DRM model.
For those not aware, the gist of those kinds of DRM is that you authenticate with a server to get access to the file. The file may or may not be sent encrypted and then locally decrypted. After that, there is no DRM until you want a new version and you can copy it anywhere you want.
Unlike most here, I don't mind buying my media. Hell, I generally prefer it since I don't care enough to find a private tracker (and am not looking for that smoke on movies/tv...) and like having a proper 4k/hdr/whatever rip with whatever audio tracks I feel like ripping. Same with extras and so forth. With studios increasingly realizing they don't want physical media to cannibalize their service, we get nonsense of "Well... we might get Andor on blu-ray some day but, until then, enjoy a highly compressed and crushed version of what may be the greatest single season of TV ever made"
Theoretically, the various VOD services avoid that but... you still get the same shitty streamed copy for the vast majority. If I can get a proper 4k release that contains HDR data, actual 5.1 sound, and so forth for a reasonable price? Stick it in my veins!
Search your feelings, you know the truth.
Exactly, there's no way the studios are going to let them sell actual ownership.
Yeah, but there is no way in hell they somehow convinced movie studios to let us have drm-free files. It would be amazing but I can't see it happening.
They could stick to public domain & indie titles. They won't, but they could.
For people who purchased lifetime plex pass, what does this mean for them?
Not much really. Plex hasn't presented this as a normal subscription based streaming service and more of a digital storefront akin to Google Play Movies & TV. The way I've always seen it is that Plex Pass was more like a software license since it granted all the features of the Plex software library. Maybe Pass users will get a discount or something.
Ahhhh, So this is why they're really cracking down on banning plex shares.
I missed that news. What's happening?
Our plex share had to move over to emby. And then they were kind of going through in systematically banning people. So a lot of people just got banned for pirated content.
Source?
Oh hey! Actually I did find a news article. I was curious if I could https://medium.com/@divitia/what-are-plex-shares-why-they-were-banned-f5a43735ffbb
Edit. Just finished reading it.... Eh... "News" might be a bit of a stretch for the article.
I mean the source I have is not really particularly great, Just my first hand account and what I was told about why we were moving to a different system. It was just that I was part of a plex share where all of us were getting banned for it being associated with the the Plex share. So the plex share moved over to using emby.
You know...
For lemmy being so dead set on replacing everything propietary with (F)OSS they are really firm on only using/stayung with Plex and pay a 100$ for their pass instead of things like Jellyfin...
I'm too lazy to get a DNS name pointed at my home server and setup the reverse proxy to get jellyfin publicly accessible
And then hope that I did it securely
You can get a cheap domain (~8 digit .xyz is 0.80$/y) and use cloudflare tunnels. You won’t have to expose your home network and the setup is really easy. You will be dependent on Cloudflare but I feel they’re fairly reliable.
localhost:JELLYFIN_PORT
. Note: You can also do this for other services you host but I recommend using a VPN to connect to your device / home network instead because it does not require exposing it to the internet.
DuckDNS and Caddy are what I use and those were piss easy. But yeah, inertia. If it works and you're happy with it, why change
Lifetime member here. I'm good with Plex.
I paid for it years ago when it was like $50 mostly because the interface was simple enough for my non tech savvy family to use.
I share Plex with friends
Here, friend. Plex will send you an invite, use it on whatever device you have because it probably supports Plex
I share jellyfin with friends
Now download this app, no that one....no this one. Why does this one not work . What do you mean it doesn't exist. Now you need my help getting you going....
Sorry, Jellyfin is great if tech people but I run a Plex server so I don't HAVE to help anyone anymore.
Hey friend,
the domain is: https://jellyfin.domain.com
Your credentials are:
Username: Friend
Pw: ***********
To watch search "Jellyfin" on the playstore or visit this link:
Link to playstore
Link to Windows JMP
Have fun.
Sorry but those are at best comfortable excuses of moving dependencies to another platform.
At most you'd need to train them on how to the same as before.
The only issue I'd seen so far were playback issues with non-standard encodings (audio codecs for example) and playback devices unable to work with whats reported...
But this is one of the rare uglies I have seen so far.
The problem I have with Plex is that default UI is bloated with recommendations, alternative sources and what might as well be ads. Meaning I need to help less technically literate (and sometimes technically literate) friends set up the UI anyway. Just so that they can actually cut through the piles of bullshit to see my server content.
Plex's default UI is ruined by it trying to shovel its extra shit onto you constantly, making it a terrible new user experience.
At least with Jellyfin you connect to the server and you're done. It's a lot more manual, but the UI is just better and easier to navigate.
I say this as an avid Plex user, mostly due to Jellyfin having somewhat dodgy support for more advanced audio and video codecs
I use emby Plex and jellyfin. Plex just started it all so that's where my library began. It's clean and everything looks good. It will take me considerable time to migrate off it. I also paid 75$ for it in 2014, so I think that makes my point.
Jellyfin has always been on the back burner as a to-do, because I'm a huge advocate for open source.
I originally setup Plex and was immediately unhapy with their always online model as well as really poor support on their forums.
Pretty quickly moved to Emby and have been happy since (7 years). It's not FOSS but it's not locked down nearly as much as Plex, and they have a focus on keeping your info within your own systems. No telemetry.
I don't mind paying a bit to support development, especially when they offer lifetime options instead of being stuck with a monthly subscription.
Jellyfin has branched out more into niche features like watch parties, leaaving some stability to be desired. Especially with apps like smart TVs. Emby has focused more on its core reliability across all platforms, comming up with a product that's nice and stable pretty much everywhere.
Jellyfin was a fork of Emby when Emby went closed source as users kept removing the paywalls for premium features. Development time isn't free; that's not sustainable for a fulltime dev. Since, Jellyfin has barely kept up, lacking the resources/funding to really flesh out their code. (hell, ~75% is still embys code AFAIK)
Regarding free dev time: Donations can be made as a means to thabk and compensate the project.
It would be great if the Jellyfin Devs could have some sort of paid service that just does all the DNS/reverse proxy stuff required for remote access, and charge like £5 a month for it.
They would just have to make it clear that the money is going towards further development, not just for the actual service. And obviously continue to allow others to set things up themselves if desired.
I'd pay for that so quick, it would just be so convenient
Not me. I set up my server last November and tried Plex. It reminded me too much of too many services starting to lose their way. Given recent events it looks like I was right. We use Kodi because my partner prefers it, but I really like Jellyfin myself. It was a learning process but really only took two or three hours with research time to set up. Costs me nothing and I don't have any ads, upselling, or any other BS that will eventually turn into more extreme attrition.
Plex is definitely trying to monetize and I am wary of how they will reconcile all of the discount lifetime passes that were sold over the years
But I still think it is "good". Yes, they are adding in hooks for different services and are technically a service of their own (every month there is a "free" movie they offer that I tell myself I will watch and then I never do). But all of that can pretty easily be hidden if I just want access to my library and the libraries of my friends. Its very much a case where the extra features are not getting in the way of the core functionality.
I have "see if jellyfin is viable" on my todo list and have been checking in for years now. Basically every time I do it is "This looks better than it used to be but X or Y is still a headache". Hopefully that will change if/when Plex shits the bed. But they haven't so it isn't really a concern for me.
Jellyfin is awesome! It does everything I could ask for and has been super stable for myself and a dozen friends and family. Almost all my media is 4k and some version of HDR. My cheap Intel ARC A380 and jellyfin handle everything beautifully. I tried plex but it's hardware transcoding wasn't as good with Intel GPU on Linux.
How was implementing the A380 as a transcoder?
Am certainly interested it (the series, not this card specifically) in buying it as an accelerator.
If it doesn't work like Bandcamp then I'm not using it.
I was initially skeptical but if they actually sold lossless, Blu-Ray quality rips of videos, I'd pay more than a few bucks per movie or show for that.
This would be awesome, but I just don't see it happening this way. They have to work with the copyright holders who set those kinds of terms and who have the majority of the leverage in negotiating those terms. Unfortunately, I don't see any reason this kind of deal would be made.
The business model is to force consumers to purchase and repurchase the same content over and over. Changing only the format, or distribution method, or platform of consumption. This kind of deal would undercut that business model.
Same. Doubt they will, but I'm open to being surprised.
We can only hope that this is what they do.
It wouldn't be so bad if you could buy and actually own
🤣🤣
Things like this are why I am mostly glad to still be using xbmc on my original hacked Xbox. Not much space and I have to deal with FTP, but it still works a treat.
My friend, there is retro... And then there is masochism. :)