Gen Z is choosing not to drive

@ItsAFake @davel Funny how the failure of capitalism is causing people to “choose” not to follow the overconsumptive lifestyle patterns the capitalists insist we must aspire to. A failed system will fall apart one way or another, even if it has convinced most people not to want it to fail.

What? That's in no way sustainable.

And we'll savour the kill 🔪

What do you mean? I know plenty of people who worked service jobs and bought cheap used cars in high school.

It just isn't as feasible now.

Choosing not to drive then is an incorrect headline whereas unable to afford driving would be more accurate.

I think the major issue is that most people see bike lanes as removing their choice to drive, rather than adding alternatives to make driving easier. These people pushing for change need to look at the MAYA principal principle, meaning they use the Most Advanced, Yet Acceptable vocabulary to ease in the transition.

Anyone who wants to platform for biking and making better urbanism needs to instead focus their campaign on being fiscally responsible and tackling traffic concerns. If pressed, they can say that there are lots of data showing that small, cheap changes to the road infrastructure can make a large impact in both traffics and taxes.

It is sad but many who want this kind of change end up having their careers ruined as it goes against "the status quo" and the "character of the neighbourhood"

@loutr @Phoenix3875 "get behind the wheel in the metaverse" a phrase used by the utterly deranged

Great question - but semi related, I really enjoy sim racing despite rarely driving a car in real life (maybe once a fortnight).

The metaverse doesn't appeal to me, or most people, but there's something to be said about jumping in VR and taking a car to a track virtually with a good force feedback wheel, nice load cell pedals and a H-pattern shifter.

Heck I even enjoy euro truck simulator from time to time.

Mark Zucc, maybe a few investors' kids

Those are fine. The fucking cars are ok too, I'm just tired.

At least here in Illinois rural towns have okay train access and can easily accommodate bike infrastructure. Many rural towns with a university have decent bike networks already. It's North American suburbs that are more hopelessly designed around private vehicles.

That's because you own the number one most stolen car in the world.

61% of Stolen Cars were Hyundai and Kia (same company). Thefts are up 2400% in New York. You basically own a Free Use Cab.

https://jalopnik.com/how-kias-hyundais-became-most-stolen-vehicle-in-america-1850496951

$1300 for 6 months of car insurance

Yikes. I pay $1400 for six months of car insurance on two cars, both of which have comp, collision, and uninsured motorist coverage.

Jesus christ that is expensive.

If you live within 1 mile of a grocery store you could easily walk, and you don't need anything else on a regular basis. Use a bicycle and 5 miles becomes just as easy. People lived thousands of years without cars. The problem is our cities are built around cars, and they're built poorly because of it.

I pay about 12-20 dollars for a trip to or from the airport in my city. Let's be quite generous and say I only need to take a trip like that once a week, and all my other needs can be met via public transportation.

That's comically untrue in the Midwest but it holds true in places like Baltimore at least for some.

It would take 9 months of similar rides to equal what I spend on my car in a single month, including the loan, gas, and insurance.

Even if I took an under to and from work every single day which incidentally is about the same as a trip to the airport, it would cost half of what I put in to my car.

That's true for me, but probably not everyone. I have a newer, upper mid range car that's not great on gas mileage. And of course, I need my car a lot more frequently than just the ten trips a week. But there's a string argument to be made in cities where public transit is even halfway decent for ditching a car all together and ubering when you need to get somewhere the bus doesn't stop.

I don't work from home but my sister does and yes she did some thorough calculations. And yeah she's getting her groceries delivered and Ubers/lyfts pretty much everywhere else. There are also local buses that she takes if they're useful depending on where she's going. For example there's a mall that's about half an hour away but there's a bus that goes from half a mile down the road to the mall.

I'm going to download the uber app when I'm not on some miserably slow internet connection and do the math, because I'm curious if it's cheaper or not.

Right now, worst case scenario is if I have to drive my Samurai to work. It gets ~20 mpg. With insurance and gas and maintainence put together I'm spending about $4.13 to drive to work for one day.

Didn't really have to but it was at sweet spot for trade in, $15k, was at the point it need new tires and registration. Tires $600+ and registration in Washington $300.

It was actually seeing $15k trade in that got me thinking about it since it was pretty close to our purchase price. Stupid MSRP went way up.

For real, the amount of freedom I get here without a driver's license in the Netherlands is insane. I walk to the train station and can get anywhere in the country and even to a lot of other places in Europe.

Then I can just decide on a whim to walk to the grocery store, take a bike ride to visit my parents, go to a movie theater, whatever you can think of.

If there's one thing I have pride in with my country, it's the infrastructure we have. I find it very hard to imagine moving out of this country because of it.

~ 12 years ago I got an 04 rodeo for $1k and kept it running for a decade until it died over covid. That same $1k 2004 clunker that'll still be in the shop for something every couple of months (even more so now 12 years later) is going to be 3-4k.

No thanks 🤷my bus system sucks but it works and I can just grab an Amtrak somewhere if I wanna travel.

They can't prevent you from purchasing with cash, that is the whole Legal Tender thing. Rather they dissuade you from not taking their financing. Very very different things.

Imagine shilling the metaverse of all things. Even dumber than nft bros.