Proton Mail says that the new Outlook app for Windows is Microsoft's new data collection service
Proton Mail says that the new Outlook app for Windows is a privacy nightmare for users, as the app shares the data with advertisers.
It also sends your IMAP credentials to their servers and receives the mail there, it's not done locally like the older versions.
Fuuuuuck that~
This is the worst part to me. All this just to “cloud sync” or something silly.
@MangoPenguin yet their free tier for their cloud services is still lacking...
Kinda OT, but writing about privacy and then presenting an abysmal way to opt out of 160+ trackers is pure, hypocritical, rich irony.
Yes, I'm talking to you, ghacks.net.
Especially when it's not even the original article
https://proton.me/blog/outlook-is-microsofts-new-data-collection-service
Remember when Microsoft pushed hard on marketing "don't be Scroogled" for this stuff?
Good call. Here's a snapshot of scroogled.com in 2013 from the wayback machine.
Google goes through every Gmail that's sent or received, looking for keywords so they can target Gmail users with paid ads. And there's no way to opt out of this invasion of your privacy. Outlook.com is different—we don't go through your email to sell ads.
always been
Any outlook alternative that doesn't look pre-dotcom? I really liked the Microsoft Mail app for its simplicity and the ability to have multiple inboxes, it's a shame it is being replaced by outlook.
Thunderbird still isn't too much of a looker, but it got a lot better recently after they added the vertical layout and made a bunch of smaller improvements. I've been using it for a few months now (after having avoiding it for maybe a decade), and I'm pretty enthusiastic about it.
I've been looking at options for my older clients as MS has been pushing this new Outlook client. Thunderbird is unfortunately fugly compared to more modern looking apps. I haven't been successful transitioning any of those older folks to using Thunderbird as it's too different for them.
I've been rolling back the Outlook installs but it's just a bandaid. I'd love to hear that's there's a comparable replacement to the W10 mail app.
There's also Betterbird, a fork of Thunderbird which retains some user-liked features that Mozilla removed as well as some bug fixes.
Spark, Mailbird, eM Client, Mailspring.
Most of the modern ones do store certain information on servers, though. Spark and Mailbird both do. Mailspring does as well if I recall correctly.
Most modern mail app developers seem to think that it’s more important to do search indexing and account storage on a server for ease of use, and expect inherent trust, foregoing all sense of real privacy under the veil of “we’re not evil, we promise.”
I’ve yet to find an email client that has a good modern look and feel, but doesn’t try to use server-side storage for some UX convenience factor.
I want the look and feel and mail host integrations of Spark (OAuth, like GMail, or preconfigs of hosts like iCloud) with the dumb-pipe-ness of Thunderbird. That’s the email unicorn I’m after.
Evolution?
uninstall the 'new' outlook app and use the 'old' mail app if you must. can at least do that, until they forcibly remove the old one and migrate users.
the new-look thunderbird is ok, as is emclient (proprietary but free-to-use version is available).
Mozilla Thunderbird is free and open source (foss)
Exactly. I mean there are numerous mail applications for Windows. We’re not limited to just mail apps from Microsoft.
It's a microsoft product, What the fuck do you expect?
no shit sherlock
