Linux community throught history

Why is Ubuntu getting so much hate? it was a good entrance for many people into the Linux world
- It started when they started including Amazon sponsored results in the menu search really. These days using apt occasionally will install a snap package instead of a deb. It doesn't give people a good jumping on point and it teaches that linux is more difficult than it has to be.
  
  Ubuntu's use of Snap made me go back to Arch.
  
  Try Linux Mint
- Isn't Linux mint an Ubuntu fork? That gets recommended to tons of people who seek an entrance into the Linux world. Is it as bad as Ubuntu?
- It USED to be OK. Now, it's just bloat, ads for snaps and pro features.
  
  Can someone please show me these ads for snaps? I've been using Ubuntu for almost 4 years and I've never seen an ad for anything.
  
  Is this also true for headless servers? I’ve been using Ubuntu via SSH for 15 years now and it’s always been fine for me but I’ve also never run the desktop version (for more than a few days anyway.)
  I just installed it on a scavenged workstation last month to use as a media server and I didn’t notice anything unusual.
  Edit:
  While we’re at it, what does the hive mind think I should be using instead for turning old trash PCs into shitty servers? The only thing Lemmy has taught me so far is that Ubuntu sucks and the only truly honorable choice is to quit my job and stop speaking to my family so that I can devote my life to installing drivers on unstable Arch. Also, I’m supposed to buy some thigh-high stockings and learn to tuck apparently?
- Firefox snap doesn't work with keepassxc browser integration and smart cards randomly, so I uninstalled the default snap on ubuntu, edited configs to make sure it didnt grab snap by default, and then install the deb Firefox.
  Every single fucking time I did a distro upgrade, ubuntu uninstalled deb Firefox, rwdis the configs to automatically install snap Firefox, and then reinstalled snap Firefox.
  One of the reasons I left windows was because it kept changing my default browser. How is ubuntu any better?
  I started my linux journey on ubuntu 11.10. I have some real nostalgia and loyalty to that platform, but I recently gave up on it and switched to fedora because of its relentless self-promotion is snap. I feel like you'd be doing a disservice to recommend it as a gateway into Linux to someone nowadays.
  
  Oooooh, that'd really rub me the wrong way. My wife is still on a Windows PC. She'll ask my why certain changes she made get reverted, and my default answer is "Microsoft thinks it knows better than you".
- What packages? Cuz if it's FF or something they ship in the Snap store, they have an incentive to do that - deb desn't work, use Snaps 🤷.
- Ubuntu is great. I use it on laptops, desktops, servers and IoT devices. We use it on thousands of corp workstations at my workplace too.
  
  Agreed 👍 skimmed over allt of comments in this thread and it does seem like most haters don't have business experience with the os. Of course a different distro will work better and be cleaner. But that only makes sense if you install on a shitty home PC where overhead is a concern or you have all the time in the world to tinker around(looking at you arch). I need something that makes sense, have support and just works. I don't need a "beginner" distro, I need something that comes with all apps preloaded to get actual work done and does not break everytime someone connects a docking station or tries to switch user (looking at you pop OS). And btw Ubuntu Pro (the ad that someone complained about) makes sense for really long term support on some machines, and it is a great deal.
  We used to be 100% windows at work, from servers to workstations to integrated systems. Since last year we are moving some systems away from windows. Not only on old hardware but also on brand new, it just works. And compared to windows 11 it is so stable and makes so much sense. The cost is almost nothing, support is good, the actual data collection makes sense, canonical actually only use it to improve their OS and we are happy to report(windows ACTUALLY want to sell you ads and collect everything probably including you mother's middle name, and phones home every few seconds)
- Part of it is the fact that Ubuntu is an entry level sort of OS, it's been simplified down and made easy. So the sort of people who have it are often less tech-savvy, and when something does go wrong, they ask a lot of pretty basic seeming questions.
  This isn't helped by some of Canonical's design choices. Nothing overt, but Ubuntu has a flavor that's distinctly Ubuntu, and knowledge of other distros is sometimes a detriment in solving problems.
  Canonical is also a company that just rubs some people the wrong way. There was some data collection shit where they asked users to opt-out of collection, after installing the data collection app.
  Then there's Snaps... it's their own unique take on program management. Which is a Canonical thing, reinventing the wheel so that they can have their own unique little thing. Like Mir and Unity, which were then both abandoned to the community.
  It's good that the community can take over when Canonical drops something, but still...
- Yeah, like 20 years ago. Things change. Hoary Hedgehog was my first real daily driver, and I miss what Ubuntu was. But that Ubuntu is no more.
  These days I use Debian for that old school no-BS Ubuntu feel. If I'm gonna use a .deb based distro, might as well use the granddaddy of them all.
- Ubuntu is fine as long as you avoid the default gnome. Xubuntu and kubuntu derivatives have been solid daily drivers for years now. Plenty of online support.
- Ubuntu hasn't been user friendly in a long time. Linux mint on the other hand nails it completely. I still use it in a few VMs
- Ubuntu is good. I use it for work.. maybe mostly because it is supported by Dell ( XPS line). The experience have been very stable, looks good, feels good. Maybe minor complaint about the different app formats, I find it confusing when it is not one single format, but both snap and deb packages work well. Connecting to our windows active directory was smoother than on windows 11 machines.
  
  It's actually smooth now on other distros as well.
- Read a Ubuntu forum for help and you'll see why. Blind leading blind far too frequently.

Linux users are famous for e-peen measuring and tearing each other down.
- We destroy ourselves. Lol
- Yes, but that also kind of drives us to be better at it 🤔... kinda...
  Still, I do agree, a dose of it is OK, but constantly, no.
  
  "BE BETTER AT HAVING DIFFERENT SUBJECTIVE PREFERENCES" - some Linux guy probably

"The Pianist" (2002), btw. In case anyone didn't know and was wondering.
- Adrian Brody's best performance if you ask me.

Ubuntu is fine as a gateway drug imo. It hasn't made the best decisions over time though, but I appreciate it's contribution regardless.
- Ubuntu is what got me hooked to linux. By now I’m ready to jump ship and maybe use debian in the future.

I have old history with Linux and am just coming back. I did my first test build for my office to get away from the dying Windows 10/avoiding 11. I went with a basic Linux Mint cinnamon build, got our network printer and core software working. Will you let me live?
- Yes, but you better be installing arch on your toaster by next week.
  
  I went to install Arch and it did not seem easy. I opted for Cinnamon Mint.
  
  My toaster is electromechanical. No µC / mutable memory available. Not even a manual switch (turn on/off using the wall switch). So no arch there unless I swap some components. I use EndeavourOS with DWM on one of my VMs, though.
  Do I get to live?
  
  "Installing Linux on a Dead Badger" is an actual book. https://archive.org/details/installinglinuxo0000snyd/mode/1up
- I hope you mean LMDE mint
- No
  
  Oh, come on, he's not that bad 😁.

Me: "I use Arch btw!"
Still gets shot
- Arch user! Burn him!

Ubuntu server is fine relax
- Just use Debian
- Yeah no
  Netplan and the default systemd network dependency can screw off
  Doesn't even come with ufw enabled
- Desktop distro is almost ok for server usage.

Why they shoot him? With ak's No, no
He need one of these
We need to make sure to get rid of them snaps

Debian is more stable.
- Just because it rhymes a bit or do I miss something?
  I find it a bit confusing because Debian is a mix of Ian and his (then, now ex-wife) girlfriends name Debra.

grabs gun GIVE ME BACK MY LINUX MINTS

Why would Ubuntu be worse than any other distro?

Prove it!
Uhh... sudo don't shoot me?

Beginner here, what is so bad about Ubuntu? I put it on a laptop this weekend and was running and installing software faster than any Windows install I have ever done. Firefox runs fine, the Mozilla email program hooked right up with my ancient Yahoo account. Blender runs like a scalded dog. Cura and prusa run good enough. I'm arguing with Muse and Ardour a bit but expected that. Spotify runs. I'm having a good first experience. So why the hate?
- They push their own things on it, like Snaps, which is not an open source standard. Plus they are a subscription based distro now, like RHEL.
  You can get the same with a lot less bloat with LMDE. Try it, I'm sure you'll like it.