Facebook turns over mother and daughter’s chat history to police resulting in abortion charges

This would be bigger news had they broken WA E2EE. Indeed, the officials might prefer not to disclose the capability if they had it and this wouldn't have happened. (Except, maybe, via parallel construction.)

You don't buy that it's the law?

not when you have the obscene money and power that Meta has. They could have fought it and resisted,

What you're saying is because Meta is rich, they don't have to obey the law?

They could have said okay here you g… oooops jeez it’s gone. Wow how did that happen. Oh well.

They’re a branch of the government at this point. Call it investing in avoiding the kind of scrutiny they should have been under the moment they started psychological experiments on the public.

They admitted to it but I don’t see Zuck the fuck in jail do you?

It doesn’t have rights until it slides out of the vagina or cesarean section. Until that moment it’s none of anyone’s business but the mother.

And it’s not the government or Facebook or any fucking one else’s place to criminalize this, or to presume to have a right to have any say in the matter.

I’m a male white democrat but I don’t even lean as far left as many fellow liberals. I’m close to left center. Nevertheless, it astounds me how many people put a line where the baby “could” potentially survive. So what? It’s still in the mother’s body it’s still part of her body. And it’s nobody else’s right to have any say about it whatsoever - except arguably a minor vote to the father, a little bit. But ultimately this whole criminalization is not about life at all, but about politics and economics.

That's a separate discussion on its own as for some 1 second old human is one with their own rights. But then in Belarus there is a lot of things that are illegal and we consider normal, like saying your leader is corrupt. Should META comply just because it is local law?

At the end of the day it seems we just can not trust anything that isn't encrypted.

If someone attached themselves to your body transfusion-like, and used your organs, do you think they have the right to do that against your will if they would die by being detached from your body? I.E do you think the state should have the right to lock you in a cell to prevent you from detaching your transfusion tube from that person?

Funny how everyone in this thread knows exactly how healthy that foetus was.

formed babby

it was on the news this mroing

Ah shit my bad I did not realize that from the article! I take part of it back hahah.

I'm for abortion in emergencies, such as any time an expectant mother feels like it's necessary. Women are not mindless incubators and shouldn't be treated like them under the law.

It terrifies me! This news was shocking for about three days. Now, a year later, we know law enforcement is buying info from data brokers and google has gone back on their “promise” to delete sensitive location data for people who visit abortion clinics. And it’s just crickets from lawmakers, nothing from regulators, except that maybe we should ban one specific app. I knew the fourth amendment wasn’t real anymore after prism but dear god it just keeps escalating with every year of my adulthood. Panopticon ass country.

It probably wouldn't be.

The thing is, Meta has the money and power to fight against injustices like this, but instead, they're complicit, and I'd prefer their corrupting influence stay far, far away from the fediverse.

Agree. People like to act like Lemmy is a utopia where privacy is always protected and what not. The fact is when it comes down to it, the admins have to comply with the law. If a warrant shows up at their door, they got no choice but to give up information.

From an opsec standpoint, certainly. Or they'll kick in your door like the Kolektiva admin. Definitely best to use end to end encryption if you have any need to protect yourself from state actors. But also fuck meta

I shared the article this morning and we have all been discussing this. One option is to request they immediately switch to Whatsapp and delete the FB message. The good part, is that our state coalition is already looking into this.