Biden Condemns Trump as Dire Threat to Democracy in a Blistering Speech

Yeah but the Biden crime family!

Both sides it is better for views. Which is better for sponsors. In turn keeping the debate going and keep the fire going. They have zero interest in taking any sides. It's bad for business.

I know how we could short circuit the "both sides" arguments. Let's reform the Democratic primary process into something actually democratic.

• Everyone gets to vote on the same day.
• Replace "first past the post" with any of the more functional systems for all elected offices.
• Let a neutral organization manage debates as an open and consistent process.

The Democratic party has total control over their primary process. Presenting themselves as the "defenders of democracy" while continuing to subvert democracy is a losing strategy, and no amount of complaining about "both sides" arguments will change that.

Didn't CNN get bought out by some conservative news group fairly recently? I'd be careful about that stuff.

Out of curiosity, do you financially support any left wing news networks (that aren't owned by a right wing organization such as AT&T) ?

We're working on that. So far 2 states (Colorado and Maine, which have 10 and 4 electoral college votes respectively out of a total of 538) have taken Trump off their election ballots, but this will likely go to the supreme court, of which 3 out of 9 judges were appointed by Trump.

Despite 3 of the judges being appointed by Trump, they have made it clear that they won't do his bidding, so far, so there is hope that he won't be eligible.

I'm disappointed he's not already in prison.

He will likely be allowed to run because so much of the country supports him, there is some legal gray area (he has not been convicted), and the courts are "conservative." I personally think he will win because Biden is getting even worse at speeches, much of the population doesn't think their personal lives improved under Biden, and a lot of people are upset for how Biden has/is handling the Israel war.

A lot of things could happen before the election that would hurt Biden as well. A recession, expansion of Israel war, and losses in Ukraine are possibilities that could hurt Biden. I don't think anything could hurt Trump. I think he could win the election from prison. Trump voters will eagerly buy any conspiracy theory to keep supporting Trump, and they don't care about democracy or human rights. Democrat and Biden voters are much more critical and fickle.

Yes, and he's just as popular with his voters as he was in 2020, if not more, because they're sympathetic to his claims that all the charges against him were politically motivated.
The 14th amendment hasn't been tested to anywhere near this extent ever, so the Supreme Court is likely to rule in his favor because there haven't been any convictions yet and we have literally nothing to use as precident (and because he personally appointed 1/3 of the justices)

That will likely come down to a decision by our supreme Court, who haven't been known for making very reasonable (or ethical, or logically consistent) decisions as of late.

My personal hunch is he'll be allowed to run. Happy to be surprised, though.

everything here has devolved into a state by state issue with state trumping federal laws

it depends on who each individual state decides to put on the ballot to allow the people to vote for

Yes absolutely. It will be up to the Court to decide.

Obama was practically the platonic ideal of the perfect neoliberal president. He said all the right words, checked all the right boxes, and effortlessly combined warmth and charm with an air of stern authority. He was, in all likelihood, the best neoliberal president we will ever get. Neoliberalism is clearly not enough.

It's time for the Democratic party to stop pretending they can serve the elites while paying lip service to the proles. In a rational world, the proles would have no option. Democrats are not their friends, but they will never be as bad as Republicans. But it's not a rational world, and fascism thrives with the disaffected masses. When faced with the choice between "bad" and "worse", "worse" is far more attractive than it should be.

"I think Obama was what we aspire to be"

People give Obama way too much credit, but that's how far great oratory skills will get you as president. He ruled as a conservative and was solidly in the corner of the billionaires, just like every president since Reagan.

Dems need to target the people on the fence between voting Dem and not voting at all.

Believe it or not, I’d say that’s who this message is targeted at. It’s for the people saying “Biden isn’t the exact candidate I want, so I’m not going to vote this time to teach Dems a lesson. Then they’ll have to run the exact candidate I want next time.” The message is that you should know that strategy will get you Trump, and you should know by now how that will go.

"We're not Trump" isn't enough, no matter how bad Trump is.

As someone with lots of trans and LGBT+ people in my chosen family, it abso-fucking-lutely enough. When the options are compromising and voting for the establishment center-right candidate who will protect those I love and the possibility of a fascist coming to power who wants to destroy them, it's not even a question on whether it's good enough.

People have to stop acting like perfect is the opposite of good when the only other alternative is an out of control dumpster fire.

We, as voting citizens, are left to believe Democrats don't want to move left. That is the only reason they won't adopt progressive policies. It's not because people wouldn't vote for them. It's exemplified by Bidens voting record. I'm not saying they should have picked someone with a better record. I'm saying, outside a handful of people, all of their voting records are shite when you start looking at them. From that handful they are either, 100 year old jesus(bernie) or a bunch of stinkers. Sure, they could pull from the younger generation but let's face it; the Democratic party structure favors seniority.

One thing is for sure neither party is going to willingly give up power and we as americans instinctually know the only way to get it back is to take it.

Perfectly well said, the same problem is happening in the UK at the moment, with Labour running on a platform of "we're not Torries" without actually advocating for any changes

“We’re not trump” is enough for me.

He reminded people to be peaceful and refrain from violence?

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1346912780700577792

amazing copy spaghetti

Luckily, and despite what Trump keeps whining about, the POTUS can't have people locked up. The courts are doing their job, as they should in a democracy. Calling for the POTUS to ignore the law, like a tyrant, in order to protect the democracy from tyranny is not a good look.

Not being Trump is the best you're going to get. I guess you'll just have to choose if the guy you vote for to destroy Palestine also plans to destroy the USA.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I detest loudly what is happening to the Palestinians. But people like you are willing to let their own nation fall into fascism for people half a world away. Letting Trump win will absolutely not help the Palestinians, and in fact could make things worse as a Trump-led administration tells the IDF, "Hey, need any help slaughtering civilians?"

You say that like Trump would not have enabled genocide in Ukraine

It should be enough. But I fear that you're right. Everyone here is pretty much on the same page, but Lemmy does not represent the average voter mentality in America.

Exactly. People will see this so-called "democracy" and wonder if it's even worth saving. The only choices we're given are if we want things to get worse slower or faster.

That's not how it works. Even if the GOP doesn't produce a candidate in a handful of states for no reason other than incompetence, then people will still vote and either choose the DNC candidate or use the Write In option on the ballot.

Well, there are no better candidates lined up for 2024 so actually the USA can't vote for better this go round.

Biden was ruining things when he was younger too. He pushed the crime bill and pushed to make student loans non-dischargeable through bankruptcy. However he's now forgiven since he pardoned a small fraction of the prisoners he helped imprison and forgave a small fraction of the student loans he helped build up. Most progressive president in modern US history!!!1

I figured people would've learned from the elections involving folks like Nader and Stein, but I guess here we go again.

I share your objective, but how. The third party approach has been a complete and total failure, and the spoiler effect makes it dangerous. Pushing the Democrats left has achieved at least some minor wins. Third parties have had none.

"But if people just voted third party...". Great, you found a political strategy that can win, provided that the majority of voters do as their told. If we had that kind of unified engagement, any strategy would win.

Voting third party is not really a viable strategy until we change the FPTP voting system. You aren't going to fix this by attempting to vote for a third party in the upcoming presidential election. If you want change in the system, you have to start from the bottom and work in local elections and then state elections to get them to change the voting system. Then we can have viable multiple parties. But this "we can vote out the POTUS in the next election!" is theoretically possible, but it's also painfully naive in reality.

Not sure what point you're trying to make. Back then they couldn't be pro-insurrectionist and pro-Britain; you can't be pro-something you want to revolt against.

Pray tell, say more.

Cancel primaries? Sounds like a huge load of BS. I don't suppose you have a source?

Do explain please.

Moron

Blatant fake news.

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