like the old days

What we need to do is stop viewing men and women as separate entities that require different expectations and treatment. Hell, we should probably just chuck the entire construct of gender out the window as it serves no real purpose other than to pit groups of people against each other.

We can admit there are differences in biology, sex, and cultural expectations rather than live in fantasy land and paint with a brush so broad it covers literally everyone in existence.

How about we treat groups as individuals. Whether that be a man or woman. Chances are the problems effecting most men are issues other men face. Women that only women face. Then some that everyone does.
- I'm my experience the only problems that affect any specific gender are either tied directly to biology or, much more commonly, are problems that we ourselves create because we insist on a difference between genders.
I think this is absolutely the way to go for future generations (think genderless preschools/kindergartens) but I really don't think we can just flip a switch and undo millennia of gendered expectations. Although I really do appreciate the folks that try.
- I think it's extreme to say gender is inherently bad.
- but I really don’t think we can just flip a switch and undo millennia of gendered expectations.
  
  Psychedelics make the brain flexible and this facilitates rapid cultural change.
- How you gonna sell makeup and purses and shit unless they think they are not pretty? Gotta get them to sexualize themselves then get them to doubt their inherent beauty so they buy your products.
  
  How you gonna sell guns and trucks and shit unless they think they are not manly.
  
  https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=CgeEEFpnvZA&si=IdTezv7Mtjd1e1nK
I fully agree with your... Vibe?

But honestly there are differences between the sexes and genders and we shouldn't just ignore those. Especially not with gender roles still being so embedded and most people being raised/coded with them.

I grew up a hetero normative male and that shit is hard to let go of, even tho I'm definitely not straight and love queer stuff. Escaping that "programming" can be scary AF.

I'm more than happy to raise a new generation free of gender roles, but let's not forget those that were raised with them.
- Yeah, it's definitely not something that is even remotely easy to change and it would probably take several generations to do so. I think it starts with separating the two concepts and recognizing that for the most part the differences are tied to sex, not gender. Also, I think it's perfectly fine for people to identify with a gender, but to tie the entire perception of them to the gender is where all the problems arise. Though maybe that necessarily complicates things.

Doesn't need to be anything as wild as peyote. Just get some psilocybin, some pals you haven't seen in a while, and have a talk. You'll come out of that with a deeper understanding of yourself. Fact is, for every toxic man that needs to do soul searching, there's a toxic woman. Perhaps, instead of pointing the finger at the opposite sex/gender/whatever, take people on a case by case basis. If they're important to you in your life, you can be the catalyst that causes them to take the first step towards self improvement. Empathy is extremely important.

And then go to prison for being in possession of "narcotics" with "intent to distribute" because the police tested a bag of kitty litter and determined there was a trace of illegal drugs in it so the whole thing is cataloged as $10,000,000,000 USD worth of hardcord drugs.

Never try hardcord drugs not even once
- Peyote is gateway to Ethernet

Can I just realize I am a human with weaknesses and strengths, loves and hates, bias and judgements but knows that if I am aware that the judgements and bias are there that I can set them aside to be fair to all when needed?

I don't really want to do drugs, even if they will open my brain to the universe. I'm not ready to deal with my shit right now. I'd rather just be nice to everyone except obvious assholes, who I will just keep at a distance for my own sake.

Nope strong psychedelics are mandatory now.

But seriously I am not by any means advocating psychedelics as any sort of solution to anything. My own experiences with psychedelics have not always been good and if folks don't think it's right for them they should absolutely trust that feeling.
- I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
  
  Hunter S Thompson
  
  I didn't really develop a personality of my own until I went balls deep into psychedelics and dissociatives in my 20's, and even then it wasn't until I started having "bad" experiences. That first bad LSD trip was rough, but it changed how I saw myself and my place in the world in a fundamental way. So many molecules, so many memories.
- I'm sure there are plenty of good ways to get high, I smoked a lot of weed back in the day but I'd rather just be completely sober now.
  
  I spent 32 years of my life sleeping horribly, my brain literally doesn't tell my lungs to breathe, I got a CPAP at 32 and for the first time felt truly awake. It was probably the most clarifying feeling I've ever felt in my life. I don't think I want to fuck with my brain now that I have it operating about as good as it ever will.
Sounds like you've already done the self realization bit, no need to do drugs
Drug-induced psychedelic experiences are certainly not the only path to self-reflection and developing deeper self-awareness (in fact, for some people, they may not have that effect at all). You're ok to pass on the peyote if you don't feel it would be beneficial.

Edit: I will say, though, that I think everyone should set trials to better understand themselves and push at their perceived limits and baselines. Drug-induced psychedelic experiences can be pretty accessible trials in this sense, again for some. Ain't the only way, though.

I'm not here for your fucking needs

Reminds me of the most recent Fargo episode

I don't see how men being gentlemen and dealing with their inner demons are mutually exclusive

I do see peyote being the part that doesn't fit in though...

Psychedelics can help you identify, understand, come to terms with accepting, and managing, the things about yourself you wouldn't otherwise. That begets the healthy self aware gentleman
- They can also mess you up even worse
- Yeah, I don't want to down play the effects that properly administered psychedelics seem to be having in clinical trials.
  
  But I've got a couple buddies who lost themselves to drugs. Specifically thinking of a pair of close friends who fell off the rails in college after getting really into pot and then LSD. I don't care how much people say it doesn't meet the clinical definition of addictive, weed will get you hooked and make you a lethargic POS if you let it.
  
  And so given the very niche usage of peyote, I would assume those who use it are more likely to fall into the latter type of drug users.
  
  That said, if you've got scientific write ups you can link me to to the contrary, I'd love to learn more about it.
- Everyone I know who's says utter garbage like this is a mega-weed-junkie who's ruined their life.
  
  I've seen two friends lose themselves to weed, a drug that's so utterly normalized nowadays. I don't need to know what some other bullshit does to people.

Jesus Christ a lot of y'all are taking this way too seriously

did you pass out the psychedelics yet?
- Yes, you are already on your trip.

So you want drugs?

Please don't do peyote. It's endangered. Go drink a san Pedro cactus instead.
- Unless you grew it yourself from seed. But san pedro grows way faster, is more legal, and more common/cheaper, so just a better option for most people
- Will that humble me like peyote?

Hear me out- what if we normalized bullet ant gloves?

Yeaaa, you go first, chief.
- Bullet Ant Condoms
- Sorry I missed the first time. Could you show me again?
I want painless death, not painful living
- You want to become a man, don't you?

Peyote definitely did not humble me

men bad women good

Is the vibe.
- Maybe you need some peyote time

A what now? I thought i was capable of speaking English.

Honestly? Yeah, kinda.

Meh, I do think psychs should be legalized and do a ton myself, but this notion that all the shitty people in the world just need to have a good trip and they'll be better is silly and dangerous.

Tripping can make you confront shitty things you've been doing if you're a decent person, but it won't make someone who's a Nazi not a Nazi, it'll just make them weirder and sometimes more sure that they're enlightened and see the truth.

Source: have met Nazis and shit who love acid.
Agree 100% but ”humbled” is not the way to sell it.

How about “enlightened” or are we so deep in the ‘golden retriever male’ narrative that we’re actually not going to accept that some people are warriors just like others are shamans and others are carers?

Maybe whoever you really are is actually Kenough?

I can’t do hallucinogens anymore. Even ecstasy gives me a “bad trip”. I get all anxious and in my own head. I have to lock myself in a room by myself. I can’t smoke weed because it makes me super anxious. Micro-dosing is cool though.

"anymore"

What happened bro
- I don’t know. I started smoking weed at like 12, and started taking acid and ecstasy at like 14 or 15. It used to be fun. I used to fucking love the way it made me feel. But somewhere around 19 or 20 weed started giving me really bad anxiety attacks. Hallucinogens started making me freak out. It is incredibly unpleasant and unfortunate. I know what it’s like to enjoy those things, but I just can’t anymore.

no I'm too square and scared of mind altering substances (my grasp on reality is already quite tenuous)

If that's how you feel then I would recommend avoiding them, or if you did want to, proceeding with extreme cautious (very low doses).

If any family history of schizophrenia then definitely avoid.
- Thanks, can. My partner is curious, so I'll probably take a baby dose at some point.
  
  I'm pretty attached to my sobriety. If not for the mostly emphatic accounts of people's trips, I wouldn't have any interest. It's nice to hear a voice going a bit counter to that for once.

all i want in life is a briefcase full of psychedelics,uppers downers, and all arounders like hunter s.

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We don't need men to be "gentlemen" we need men to do peyote and face their deep cores of emptiness, then return to the village humbled

My body, my choice.

Maybe instead of drugs, try some self-reflection and meditation. I'd like to think there's a way for humans to tolerate each other without drugs.

Ok. You provide?

DMT is naturally occurring is many plants.
- For example, Phalaris aquatica and Mimosa tenuiflora. Not sure what that has to do with Mescaline though

Challenge accepted.

Honestly though, Peyote is for plebs. Go try some Kambo and then we’ll talk.

I think I read about Kambo once long ago but I didn't remember the name. The article I read, I think in High Times in the '90s, the jungle guy lit a match, blew it out, and used the hot part to burn a spot on the arm of the guy about to take the drug. The drug, I think a sap was applied to the burn wound.

At some point after, the intoxicated guy shit his pants, puked, passed out, etc, but when he awoke, he said his senses were amplified, like he could hear and see better, he would've become a better hunter, one with the forest. He said the tribal people used it as a hunting aid.
- Yeah, I did it once, that’s pretty much how it goes down. It doesn’t work when consumed, so they use a burn wound to get it straight into your bloodstream. I’m assuming a syringe might do the trick as well, but that’s the traditional way.
  
  What you forgot to mention is the pain, which is usually what causes the puking, unlike mushrooms, where it’s nausea. This stuff basically lights every single one of your nerves on fire and you’ll be in exquisite agony for what seems like forever, but is really only about 10-15 minutes tops. But yes, if you can resist the urge to jump off the nearest cliff in order make it end, you do feel a lot better than you did before.
  
  Also, the heightened senses are not the result of hallucinations, but rather because you basically just power washed your entire nervous system, and your body is simply remembering avenues of perception that were always there, but have been lying dormant as a result of habitual avoidance.
- How is an entire Far Cry game not already based around this - this is like their bread and butter