This person's rejection reason
This person's rejection reason
This person's rejection reason
That is probably a slam dunk (minor) discrimination lawsuit. Your circumstances of birth, including the date, are not something you can be judged for.
Follow up with your ID or Birth certificate and ask "Excuse me?"
Not true in the US. They could ban anyone born in the entire month of April, or anyone who "looks like a pot smoker" if they wanted to.
Applicants, employees and former employees are ONLY protected from employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, or gender identity), national origin, age (40 or older), disability and genetic information (including family medical history).
Nobody said that they are from the US.
It wouldn't get anywhere in the US. Age is the closest protected class, but only applies to over 40 in the US. Discrimination based on month and day of birth isn't actually illegal.
I honestly think there's a gray area here and it's worth talking to a lawyer if anything. There are certainly some protections for peoples under 40. Being denied a promotion because you're "too young" is certainly a protection. The catch is you have to prove it.
This case is easy to prove though if there are any laws over this.
Edit: but now that I think about it, this is only really a protection if you're already hired at the place. If you just slam the door on people before they can get in, discrimination seems to be legal.
Whelp, time for arson then. Sorry, it's the rules.
Just set your profile to @ not US system and your birthday will be 20/4 instead!
Classic age discrimination.
Make sure to find a lawyer who is 69 years old and whose license plate is LOL80085.
"Nobody was born on 4/20 except Hitler. We do not wish to hire Hitler at this time."
at this time
Times they are a changin'
Well that's your loss I hear he's great at PR
What always ticks me off beyond reason in mails like these is the "we genuinely appreciate your time and effort in...."
Fuck. You. With. An. Umbrella.
You don't appreciate shit, you're full of shit, yet you're too shit to even just say what you really want to say: fuck you, we don't give a damn. Because being actually honest might also be bad and cost money.
Companies like there are the worse and should all burn in hell
Thank you for the opportunity!
I appreciate the time and effort it took to reply
I'd rather get a rejection email than eternally wondering why an AI filtered me out
It's not the email that bugs me, it's the fake politeness and language like "but we care! We really do!"
Glad that won't happen to me. I was born on January 6th.
Now I'm imagining someone legitimately putting their Jan6 involvement on a resume.
Window Structural Integrity Tester (Jan 6th, 2021): Responsibilities included - unconventional team-building activities, conditioning, navigating unfamiliar territory, and breaking down barriers.
Nah, it’d probably be more like:
Security Field Tester (Jan 6, 2021): Part of a group that organized a large-scale “peaceful march” in order to thoroughly check security protocols for the Capitol building. Duties included attempts at theft to see if we’d be stopped, testing window durability by attempting to break them, engaging physically with security staff in riot gear to test security training, and shouting terroristic threats in order to see how secure government protocols were in the event of a riot at a governmental building.
This can't be real. There are so many red flags this is fake. 1) Everything is censored. 2) GIS (Google image search) lookup only shows reddit and linkedin. The linkedin post is just as vague "learned a colleague received this!" 3) It's too good to be true. it plays on current fears. 4) It's just so dumb.
And yeah, it could be fake, 100%, but your arguments were really dumb.
1 is in no way a red flag, don't put other's personally identifying information on the Internet.
Disagree. If this was true, terrible companies should be named and shamed.
I fucking hate people like you.
"Everything on Reddit/Lemmy is fake and gay. Here's my evidence."
All evidence easily has an explanation, most of it laughably so.
What do idiots who claim everything is fake get out of it? To troll the OP? Or do you just want to spread your misery?
This is most likely fake.
If this was automated, a company automating rejection emails would never write the reason for rejection. It would be a vague excuse like "not a good fit for the role".
If this was not automated, then no recruiter would be this stupid.
Or the LLM is just that incompetent lol
Is this not completely illegal? Dunno about the USA, in the UK age is a protected characteristic and you would be fucked for trying this. If it's real ofc.
You should have left in the company name. Shame them publicly.
Wait who puts their birthday on a resume?
Me, why shouldn't one do that? But my last resume is 10 years old, maybe I am out of touch with all the mumbo jumbo dancing you have to do, to build the "right" resume.
Unless you are trying to get a job with min/max age requirements, like airline pilot or us president, age provides no valuable information to potential employer other than a factor to illegally discriminate on.
Personally, I would say it shouldn't matter.
I wouldn't want to know the birth date of a person I was interviewing, and there's no need for my interviewer to know mine.
It wasn't on their résumé it was on their LinkedIn.
Although now the question becomes, why would you put your DOB on LinkedIn, which I have no idea.
I just looked at my LinkedIn and don't see anywhere that birthday is even displayed. This is clearly fake.
Under GDPR you have a right for your application to be reviewed by a human rather than an automated rejection. Is there something like that in the country maybe?
That is not what GDPR is about.
You could've done a simple search, or even write your comment in a way where you don't state it as a fact but instead you're now blatantly wrong.
On the one hand this is a bad that this happened to you, because the reasoning is completely idiotic.
On the other hand it can be a learning lesson that it's better to write your birthday as April 20th, and never as 4/20.
PS: Please name that company publicly. Maybe write a short mail to a website about tech news, like https://arstechnica.com or https://www.wired.com. You could also try the blog https://boingboing.net
Seems like they should really keep using 4/20, seems like an effective pre-screening tool for places I don't even want to walk by, let alone work at.
Publicity will help prevent such major oversight. This is the problem with using AI for hiring practices instead of real people. Applying to jobs in the 2020s with a college degree, experience in the field, required employment history, and certifications STILL feels like applying for credit cards online with bad credit due to AI prematurely denying many applicants on frivolous grounds before it even gets to the recruiters email/web portal. That being said I don't think this person is the person who received the email themselves they are just posting it here.
It may not be worth listening to me on this because I only got to preliminary stages of looking for a new job before finding out that I would need to be a full time learning coach for my daughter's online school, but I had ChatGPT rewrite my resume for me. My reasoning was that if AI is weeding out resumes, they'll be less likely to weed out a resume written by what an AI thinks a resume should look like.
Why does a company even need your date of birth on an application?
For the $5 starbucks gift card they give out on employee birthdays
If you're in the US and can afford it, Talk to a lawyer.
This is blatant discrimination of a immutable attribute which is a Civil Rights violation.
This is written evidence to that fact.
I really hope OP goes through with the lawsuit because of how funny it is. I want to see it make big news
This is why I assume this must be fake. Because even a trainee HR employee would look at that email, and not send it out.
We genuinely appreciate
🤣You obviously don't you dickheads
I fucking despise the fact that AI almost exclusively is responsible for throwing out 99% of all resumes before they reach a human being
This isn't just AI. AI doesn't care about jokes or memes or "professionalism." This was either a review by an actual human that didn't realize people are born on April 20th or an AI told to reject resumes with that date in it.
Either way, it's a really dumb person that set this rule.
Reminds me of my sister getting in trouble for saying she had to go at 4:20. It was deemed "unprofessional". She has a appointment, lol
If that's real and in the US that's age discrimination and you can sue, and easily win, even if they say it's not your age, but the date of your birthday it still would fall under discrimination based on age.
Well I'd certainly say they dodged a bullet
This is precisely what I came here to say!
Local company? Send it to the local news. They'll jump all over a reference to end of days AI.
Local news will use ai to write the article
I mean, we use AI to write Lemmy comments, so I figure it's all fair.
Doesn't need to be AI. Just a simple filter to call out the offending information and what field it was in. Still crappy, and something AI would do, but there are cheaper ways to automate the enshittification of job applications.
Well, I hope that this gets someone in shit.
That's embarrassing. Ping their recruitment team on LinkedIn.
Ping their recruitment team on LinkedIn
This is such a weird way to say "post this screencap publicly on LinkedIn and tag their entire C-level team"
My dad actually got involved in something like this. He got rejected from a job after a background check company confused HIM (a 59-year-old white guy) with another guy (a black 32-year-old man) who happened to share the same name, in the same city, and provided the contracting company with information that stated my father was wanted for felony larceny. I think we wound up getting something like $700 from a small class-action against the background check provider, and it got settled out of court because someone blew it up with the local news.
"Choose a better date to be born on next time, okay?"
Historical fun fact: this is why Hitler was rejected from art school in Vienna.
Fake news artists would NEVER reject weed
Fun fact for those downvoting that post: 4/20 was also Hitler’s birthday.
That’s the great thing about AI, it’s like a human! Humans don’t need to work anymore because our computers speak like us now! It’s only ever really a problem if someone reads what AI wrote.
But if you don’t read it, wow, just look at the spacing, the typography, the paragraphs! the tokens words!
My oldest child was almost born on 4/20, but he decided to cook a little longer.
My wife was so relieved, lol.
*bake a little longer.
C'mon man. It was right there.
Lol, that was on purpose.
and for that reason I give him a downvote
Just missed Hitler's birthday!
Could this be considered discrimination? Rejecting applicant based on something they have no control over and unrelated to the position.
I doubt individual birthdays are considered a protected class, so I doubt it.
... yet.
You arent going to write protections until it becomes apparent they are needed.
Stupidest timeline? Maybe
Discrimination as such I don't think so but under the new EU AI regulations they'd be in a world of hurt. For one, did they tell OP that the answer was AI-generated and, as this is a high-risk use of AI, did they include a link to report incidents, do they have human oversight, can they prove that they monitored the AI properly, that it was created with risk management in mind?
Probably not. It's super expensive to do it properly. Definitely in the millions of dollars range.
LOL! I was born on 4/20 too (and so was Hitler, btw ☹️)
So the email validation guy is also writing date validation code?
There are people laughing at them for not hiring someone born at 20th of April , very same folks riding elevators and not finding weird that the 13th floor is missing.
Who are these "same folks" that you're talking about?
Do I smell discrimination?
Age discrimination in the US at least is driven by "40 or over". I think any lawyer would be able to argue that "which day of the year you're born" is not indicitive of a protected class. Because we're fucked in the US and you can still formally be passed up on a job for being under 39 years old as long as you it's not because "you're almost 40, and we're not allowed to get rid of you when you turn 40"
That is what you get for having the same birthday as Hitler.
Maybe that's why they kicked him out of art school...
“respect” and “professionalism” yeah
That's because they're using the wrong date format.
/s
ISO 8601 is love. ISO 8601 is life.
Does it work with omitting the year though?
ISO 8601 would probably still trigger the AI
I don't understand why the name of the company is redacted. They chose to send this letter, let 'em own it.
Fake as fuck
Damn, hopefully that won't happen to me. I was born on June 9th
You can only apply to jobs in European countries.
Sorry, I don’t make the rules.
Says the guy who was probably born on September 6.
Nice
That date means nothing to me, what happened there?
Nice day.
Lol I’m just imagining whomever told AI to do this must have had a bad date with a Taurus. Your chakras are all wrong!!
Honestly, they might even consider it fortunate that the company showed them it's cards now and not when they're their actual employer. Dodged a bullet.
The company is cards?
Correct. You don't want to work for cards. The corporate structure is too flimsy. /s
that's unfortunate. sure looks like they could use some competency in the area applied-for.
I would spam them with even more "inappropriate" but equally plausible applications out of sheer pettiness and the vain hope that a real person would see it and realize that using AI to screen job applications is an awful idea.
I mean that's what you get for writing the date wrong :)
If that’s not a reason to write your dates in a less unhinged format, I don’t know what is.
It'd probably still flag on 1990-04-20 unfortunately, since the application probably didn't ask for birthday, but date of birth, which would have a year.
Honestly, if you ask for someone's date of birth and they just give you the month and day, that's about as useful as saying it was a Wednesday.
Honestly, if you ask for someone's date of birth and they just give you the month and day, that's about as useful as saying it was a Wednesday.
Which is honestly all you should feel obligated to give them, since it’s illegal to discriminate based on age. The only potential reason an employer would need to ask for birthday during hiring is to be able to distinguish between applicants with identical names.
I just put the month name instead of the month number personally, assuming this is in response to a resume sent in and not an online form.
That is what happens when you don't write your birthday in the correct format you filthy barbarian
4\20
So, uh, what was on 4/20?
For possible non US people? https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/420
It's a reference to smoking weed. Reread it with that in mind and it'll be clear.
People: “AI is going to take over the world!”
AI:
Ignoring my first instinct, I tried to imagine some context to this, and if someones linkedin profile says he is in his 30s with a lot of experience, but somehow after applying, they got a cv of a 20 year old with little experience, it put them into a situation where the first impression based on this breaks the trust they try to build with an applicant.
It is probably still not wise to point out the age discrepancy, but i can see how I wouldn't want to work with someone who I only know for 5 seconds but already confused me.
There is a chance, the letter was written by an AI, but equaly can be a corporate template.
If it was a typo, and the difference is only a couple days, tough luck, maybe you should remove the "attention to details" part from your cv. :D
The issue is the 4/20 (blaze it).
It also seems fake.
They should not censor the company name.
But then you might realize it's fake.
What do you mean ‘Company Business Incorporated Pty Ltd.’ Isn’t a legitimate employer?
If you were normal... 20/4/19xx ... or 20th of April, 19xx. If you insist on freedom units and format, its your own fault!
Also, who knows what it was written to identify? you are all speculating. It could have been weed smokers (420) but it could also have been written to filter out the yanks...!